All Concerts Should Be Lottery

BeerBaron

josevolution wrote:

Really like Cosmo said were the hell you been dude this issue has allready been addressed 1&2 & 9&10 what else you wan't :?: plus i rock harder than anybody here going on 49 and your talking about me yeah i have sat front row all these yrs ......... :twisted: ......

Just goes to show you that some people are NEVER happy. The 1&2 + 9&10 lottery seems like a great compromise to me. It baffles me that some people still feel the need to complain about this.

jrnyc

Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:

YieldToNothing wrote:

people who've paid there dues should be rewarded.

+1

They should be rewarded, but it's not their birth rights to be able to great seats every time at the expense of some of the newer fans. The fans that are new to the fan club only have a small chance of getting close with the lottery . Lottery is a good solution, but would nice of newer fans would get a good shot at great seats.

The seniority keeps the great seats out of the hands of the scalpers, if it was a lottery for anyone who was a fan club member regardless of seniority, chances are the scalpers would join the club just to have a shot at the great seats.

No easy answer to this problem.

touringfan

Back_Pedal wrote:

YieldToNothing wrote:

people who've paid there dues should be rewarded.

And the people who were unlucky enough to discover the band after 1991 should be fucked.

IamMine

Cosmo wrote:

Thanx.
The first time I was ever in the very front was at the General Admission shows in San Francisco in 2006. It was fucking AWESOME!!! And McCready... the fucking guy... I never appreciated 'EvenFlow' as much since the early days. But after seeing his solo from that point of view... fucking incredible.

Oh, I bet!

I think I remember reading that review...especially SENROCK! freaking out.

But uh...that was not the point here... right?

I loved what my husband said when touringvan (not sure if that's what they were called, but a group that followed PJ and interviewed fans) interviewed my hubby briefly...asked him what was the best part about the show?

"From the moment I got in the building"



And that night, we were nowhere close to the stage....far, far away and we were having a blast!

Even around "numb" people, you can still have a good time as seen in this picture (me and hubby) with the guys looking like ants:

London, 2005:



:P

When I'm much closer to the stage...I just freeze like a deer.

Mrs.Vedder78

Back_Pedal wrote:

YieldToNothing wrote:

people who've paid there dues should be rewarded.

And the people who were unlucky enough to discover the band after 1991 should be fucked.

You gotta look at this way, its not our fault that someone was born the same year I saw Pearl Jam live for the first time ... look at it this way at least those born on 1991, are much much younger than most of us

SPEEDY MCCREADY

I would love to see a lottery system used for the first 10-15 rows...

I dont care how long you have been a member, or how you have "paid your dues".....

Give everyone, young and old, a chance to get up close..............

force-10

jrnyc wrote:

The seniority keeps the great seats out of the hands of the scalpers, if it was a lottery for anyone who was a fan club member regardless of seniority, chances are the scalpers would join the club just to have a shot at the great seats.

No easy answer to this problem.

That´s the best explanation for this issue I´ve heard on this board.

I´m just excited that I´m going to seattle to begin with and for the first time going to get to see them live! I´m not getting to excited on those 129 or 10 row seats. If I was to look up to those seats, when I don´t get them I might get sad so I´m not thinking about those too much!

And now I´m totally excited because I just found someone to buy his extra TC tickets for a couple of friends that are taking the trip w/me!!!

Zod

My numbers somewhat mediocre, so my statiscally thinking brain always things it means i sit 4 rows further back.. but I guess the lottery is cool for those that win.

Senority in the 10c is a rough thing. Once they announced ticket allocations were by senority in 2000, the turnover of older members must of come to a halt. Once people realized they had to renew every year they stopped forgetting to renew.

Which means in 2000, the longest running 10c member would of been 8.. maybe 9 years. Front Rows. Now someone that joined in 2000, 8 or 9 years later. Is still going to have mediocre seats.

People with good senority well be up close for many tours the come.. anyone that joined later in the 90's or 00's will never get closer due to attrition, because there is no attrition.

So senority is a cool way to allocate tickets, it keeps scalpers from being up close, but its nature prevents anyone from moving up the ranks.. ever. At least the lottery gives a little hope

aNiMaL

yearsofstatic wrote:

My problem is not with the people standing idly at the front, it's with knowing that those people are there simply because they've paid more money to the fan club over the years.

Your attitude is indicative of an entire narcissistic generation of people who were raised with the false reinforcement that you were special no matter what you did, and there are no winners or losers. Which of course was all a lie and in no way prepared anyone for the real world. The real world where you have to pay your dues and work your way to the top. You are not just simply entitled to it just because your mommy told you that you were special. I see it in the workplace a lot too. Kids come in and are flabbergasted when they do not get hired right out of the box to the director level positions.

Like it or not, but life is one big seniority list. The longer you have been around, the better seats you will get.

BeerBaron

aNiMaL wrote:

Your attitude is indicative of an entire narcissistic generation of people who were raised with the false reinforcement that you were special no matter what you did, and there are no winners or losers. Which of course was all a lie and in no way prepared anyone for the real world. The real world where you have to pay your dues and work your way to the top. You are not just simply entitled to it just because your mommy told you that you were special. I see it in the workplace a lot too. Kids come in and are flabbergasted when they do not get hired right out of the box to the director level positions.

Like it or not, but life is one big seniority list. The longer you have been around, the better seats you will get.

Excellent post...

Mrs.Vedder78

aNiMaL wrote:

Your attitude is indicative of an entire narcissistic generation of people who were raised with the false reinforcement that you were special no matter what you did, and there are no winners or losers. Which of course was all a lie and in no way prepared anyone for the real world. The real world where you have to pay your dues and work your way to the top. You are not just simply entitled to it just because your mommy told you that you were special. I see it in the workplace a lot too. Kids come in and are flabbergasted when they do not get hired right out of the box to the director level positions.

Like it or not, but life is one big seniority list. The longer you have been around, the better seats you will get.

BRAVO!!

Evolver

Back_Pedal wrote:

YieldToNothing wrote:

people who've paid there dues should be rewarded.

And the people who were unlucky enough to discover the band after 1991 should be fucked.

Oh thats a really quality thing to say. Douche.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

aNiMaL wrote:

yearsofstatic wrote:

My problem is not with the people standing idly at the front, it's with knowing that those people are there simply because they've paid more money to the fan club over the years.

Your attitude is indicative of an entire narcissistic generation of people who were raised with the false reinforcement that you were special no matter what you did, and there are no winners or losers. Which of course was all a lie and in no way prepared anyone for the real world. The real world where you have to pay your dues and work your way to the top. You are not just simply entitled to it just because your mommy told you that you were special. I see it in the workplace a lot too. Kids come in and are flabbergasted when they do not get hired right out of the box to the director level positions.

Like it or not, but life is one big seniority list. The longer you have been around, the better seats you will get.

Though I agree with you, and your belief towards people who feel "entitled".

This is a band we are talking about. Nothing more than a rock band. Whats so wrong with giving everyone a fair shot at sitting up close. Why just a few rows of lottery tickets? Why not the first 10-15 rows? Whats so wrong with giving a larger amount of newer fans a chance to sit up close?

Zod

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

aNiMaL wrote:

yearsofstatic wrote:

My problem is not with the people standing idly at the front, it's with knowing that those people are there simply because they've paid more money to the fan club over the years.

Your attitude is indicative of an entire narcissistic generation of people who were raised with the false reinforcement that you were special no matter what you did, and there are no winners or losers. Which of course was all a lie and in no way prepared anyone for the real world. The real world where you have to pay your dues and work your way to the top. You are not just simply entitled to it just because your mommy told you that you were special. I see it in the workplace a lot too. Kids come in and are flabbergasted when they do not get hired right out of the box to the director level positions.

Like it or not, but life is one big seniority list. The longer you have been around, the better seats you will get.

Though I agree with you, and your belief towards people who feel "entitled".

This is a band we are talking about. Nothing more than a rock band. Whats so wrong with giving everyone a fair shot at sitting up close. Why just a few rows of lottery tickets? Why not the first 10-15 rows? Whats so wrong with giving a larger amount of newer fans a chance to sit up close?

Like the other poster mentioned. Senority does prevent scalpers from getting up front.. they can buy new memberships but get crappy seats.. open up 1/3 of the floor and those a pretty good odds for scalpers to start buying up 10c memberships.

Wilds

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

aNiMaL wrote:

yearsofstatic wrote:

My problem is not with the people standing idly at the front, it's with knowing that those people are there simply because they've paid more money to the fan club over the years.

Your attitude is indicative of an entire narcissistic generation of people who were raised with the false reinforcement that you were special no matter what you did, and there are no winners or losers. Which of course was all a lie and in no way prepared anyone for the real world. The real world where you have to pay your dues and work your way to the top. You are not just simply entitled to it just because your mommy told you that you were special. I see it in the workplace a lot too. Kids come in and are flabbergasted when they do not get hired right out of the box to the director level positions.

Like it or not, but life is one big seniority list. The longer you have been around, the better seats you will get.

Though I agree with you, and your belief towards people who feel "entitled".

This is a band we are talking about. Nothing more than a rock band. Whats so wrong with giving everyone a fair shot at sitting up close. Why just a few rows of lottery tickets? Why not the first 10-15 rows? Whats so wrong with giving a larger amount of newer fans a chance to sit up close?

Nothing wrong with it. Just think the band likes the seniority thing to a point. Why?

The scalper thing was mentioned, as well as the loyalty thing.

Not totally fair, but by addressing the lottery with rows 1,2,9, and 10. I feel they made the perfect compromise.

I'm middle of the pack by the way. 184,XXX.

So I get pushed back 2 to 4 rows........ or hit the lottery myself. I love the new system. Feel it is fair to all, especially the Band and their wishes.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Zod wrote:

Like the other poster mentioned. Senority does prevent scalpers from getting up front.. they can buy new memberships but get crappy seats.. open up 1/3 of the floor and those a pretty good odds for scalpers to start buying up 10c memberships.

I disagree. The scalpers can go ahead and buy all the 10club memberships they want. Then they can also fight with the rest of us and try their best to get tickets online, when the websites crash. Then, like the rest of us, the scalpers can show up at the venue and show proper I.D. to recieve their tickets at the 10club window. In other words, I dont think making the first 10-15 rowes lottery, would change a thing as far as scalpers are concerned.

Wilds

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Zod wrote:

Like the other poster mentioned. Senority does prevent scalpers from getting up front.. they can buy new memberships but get crappy seats.. open up 1/3 of the floor and those a pretty good odds for scalpers to start buying up 10c memberships.

I disagree. The scalpers can go ahead and buy all the 10club memberships they want. Then they can also fight with the rest of us and try their best to get tickets online, when the websites crash. Then, like the rest of us, the scalpers can show up at the venue and show proper I.D. to recieve their tickets at the 10club window. In other words, I dont think making the first 10-15 rowes lottery, would change a thing as far as scalpers are concerned.

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Yeah... except most scalpers don't bother unless they can get top 10 rows or so, or if the show is crazy sought after.

profit margin isn't enough to bother with otherwise.

Dirtie_Frank

My question is why do you need to be jumping around up front? Maybe just Maybe it is a great feeling to just watch this band create music that close that you are mesmerized by it and just want to take it in. I have been a member for some time now. I only recently was able to use my 10 club tickets since I was in the Army and they decided to avoid Europe while I was there is that fair no, that is life, get over it.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

One thing that has always cracked me up on this board.

People will come here and its all about "charity". Please donate to Wishlist, The West Memphis Three, help save a tree, send money to help a friend that is unemployed, help give me a free room when I visit your town, please give me a free ride, blah blah blah.


But ask those same people if they are willing to give up their "precious 10club tickets" so a newer fan has the chance to sit up close? And its as if you asked them to give up their first born.

Evolver

aNiMaL wrote:

yearsofstatic wrote:

My problem is not with the people standing idly at the front, it's with knowing that those people are there simply because they've paid more money to the fan club over the years.

Your attitude is indicative of an entire narcissistic generation of people who were raised with the false reinforcement that you were special no matter what you did, and there are no winners or losers. Which of course was all a lie and in no way prepared anyone for the real world. The real world where you have to pay your dues and work your way to the top. You are not just simply entitled to it just because your mommy told you that you were special. I see it in the workplace a lot too. Kids come in and are flabbergasted when they do not get hired right out of the box to the director level positions.

Like it or not, but life is one big seniority list. The longer you have been around, the better seats you will get.

Missed the point, missed the point, missed the point. While I fully agree that some kids come in and get pissy because they weren't hired into a workplace at 6-digit salary levels, but that's not where this person is coming from at all. Would you like to know why your workplace example and entire "life is one big seniority list" view is fundamentally flawed in this case? This is very simple: if you are in a any professional workplace or career scenario, assuming you put in the time and hard work, you can actually make it to the top - it is in your control, and the harder you work and the smarter and savvier your are about it, the faster you can get there. But for the love of god, I would love for someone to tell me how one can come in at the ground level of this fan club and put in some sort of hard work or time to make it to the top of the seniority list (and the existing lottery system in now way is comparable to one making achieving a place at the top of the seniority list). You see, its just not possible, and THAT is the point that the original post was trying to make.

As a result, this unfortunately translates into some fans perhaps thinking that they are "more of a fan" just because they've paid their fan club dues for several years. I'll say this: I can guarantee all of you that I am as big of a PJ fan as they come, and I've been into this band from the very beginning; the only difference is I haven't been a member of the fan club. Woop-dee friggin' do. Paying money doesn't make you a fan of something, nor should it be used as a gauge of how passionate you are about something. However at the end of the day, when it comes to the whole ticketing thing, they (the fan club) have to find something to use as a tool for deciding who-gets-what-tickets, so to that end, what do you do? Either keep it like this, and the non-senior members are justifiably upset, OR you go with a larger scale lottery, thus pissing off those older 10-clubbers. Or maybe another solution is to somehow set up a system where at least once every 10 club member gets to sit in the front row for a show (in addition to the current partial lottery). I dunno.

But bravo to the original poster for writing what they felt. And for the record, whenever someone posts something on here that even remotely resembles a complaint, bitch, or "whine", for the life of me I CANNOT understand why everyone else feels they have the right to (VERY predictably) respond to it by calling them a "whiner". I mean I know its so easy and so very tempting for these people to do it, but honestly, do you really have to?