All Concerts Should Be Lottery

Evolver

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

One thing that has always cracked me up on this board.

People will come here and its all about "charity". Please donte to Wishlist, The West Memphis Three, help save a tree, send money to help a friend that is unemployed, help give me a free room when I visit your town, please give me a free ride, blah blah blah.


But ask those same people if they are willing to give up their "precious 10club tickets" so a newer fan has the chance to sit up close? And its as if you asked them to give up their first born.

HA!!!!! Thats fuckin priceless, I LOVE IT! Amen to that!

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Evolver wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

One thing that has always cracked me up on this board.

People will come here and its all about "charity". Please donte to Wishlist, The West Memphis Three, help save a tree, send money to help a friend that is unemployed, help give me a free room when I visit your town, please give me a free ride, blah blah blah.


But ask those same people if they are willing to give up their "precious 10club tickets" so a newer fan has the chance to sit up close? And its as if you asked them to give up their first born.

HA!!!!! Thats fuckin priceless, I LOVE IT! Amen to that!

Its beyond priceless.

People come here saying..... "The West Memphis Three need your money,it is a good cause"

"Help save a tree...it is a good cause"
"Send money to help our environment"

But ask those same people to give up their precious 10club tickets to a FELLOW 10CLUB MEMBER?????

and the reply is....

"FUCK YOU...I PAID MT DUES!!!!!!!!"
"FUCK YOU.....IM ENTITLED TO MY SEATS!!!!!!"
"FUCK YOU.....ITS NOT MY FAULT YOU JOINED LATE!!!!!"

aNiMaL

Speedy, you cannot compare real charity causes with seating at a rock and roll show. Remember, it's really not that big of a deal nor that important on the "life" scale.

Either way of doing it is fine and Pearl Jam wants to honor the members that have paid their dues the longest. Okay, so be it. If they never opted for seniority, that would have been fine too. Six of one, half a dozen of another. IF it shouldn't be that big of a deal for us long timers to give up our seats, it also should be that bog of a deal to have the seniority system. Six of one, half a dozen of another. What's right is wrong, what's old is new. This is one of the oldest topics, and has been hammered into the ground 100 thousand times and the band and/or 10c has compromised with the current system. They still get to honor their longest running fan club members, while giving the newer fan club members a chance to get the all coveted first row.

aNiMaL

And, I've said it many times before, I couldn't care less about the first row. The sound is waaaay better about rows 5-8.

I miss the days of; if you want to be up front, fight your way up there, and fight to hold your ground. Ahhh, the good ol' days of all general admission floors.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

The way the system is now, your seniority means NOTHING when it comes to actually purchasing tickets. Right? We are all fighting at the same time to come here and hopefully get lucky enough to get tickets. Right? Why not just take it a step further, since seniority means NOTHING when it comes to purchasing tickets? Why not just make the first 10-15 rows lottery? What harm does that do?

aNiMaL

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

The way the system is now, your seniority means NOTHING when it comes to actually purchasing tickets. Right? We are all fighting at the same time to come here and hopefully get lucky enough to get tickets. Right? Why not just take it a step further, since seniority means NOTHING when it comes to purchasing tickets? Why not just make the first 10-15 rows lottery? What harm does that do?

Your analogy means nothing. How would seniority work for purchasing tickets? Seniority has never been in place for purchasing tickets. It has always been about seat allocation, for that is what is important to people on both sides of this argument. And both sides feel "entitled" to the better seat. Except for the only ones who truly do have any sort of entitlement are those who have paid their dues year in and year out, with a tour and without a tour. The band has decided that they are entitled to seniority seating. Why isn't that good enough?

helplessdancer

no vote for change

SPEEDY MCCREADY

aNiMaL wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

The way the system is now, your seniority means NOTHING when it comes to actually purchasing tickets. Right? We are all fighting at the same time to come here and hopefully get lucky enough to get tickets. Right? Why not just take it a step further, since seniority means NOTHING when it comes to purchasing tickets? Why not just make the first 10-15 rows lottery? What harm does that do?

Your analogy means nothing. How would seniority work for purchasing tickets? Seniority has never been in place for purchasing tickets. It has always been about seat allocation, for that is what is important to people on both sides of this argument. And both sides feel "entitled" to the better seat. Except for the only ones who truly do have any sort of entitlement are those who have paid their dues year in and year out, with a tour and without a tour. The band has decided that they are entitled to seniority seating. Why isn't that good enough?

Your point means nothing to me.

Why not give more people a chance to sit up close? Whats so hard about that?

aNiMaL

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Why not give more people a chance to sit up close? Whats so hard about that?

Because they don't want to and want to do it the way they feel is the better way since it's their band and their fan club?

I'm just throwing that out there. Sort of a shot in the dark! Hahahahahaha

Cosmic Slop

pube

SPEEDY MCCREADY

aNiMaL wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Why not give more people a chance to sit up close? Whats so hard about that?

Because they don't want to and want to do it the way they feel is the better way since it's their band and their fan club?

I'm just throwing that out there. Sort of a shot in the dark! Hahahahahaha

Like I have said before...

People here on this board, would rather give up their first born, than "GOD FORBID" have to sit 15-20 rows from the stage.

Cosmic Slop

fart

aNiMaL

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

aNiMaL wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Why not give more people a chance to sit up close? Whats so hard about that?

Because they don't want to and want to do it the way they feel is the better way since it's their band and their fan club?

I'm just throwing that out there. Sort of a shot in the dark! Hahahahahaha

Like I have said before...

People here on this board, would rather give up their first born, than "GOD FORBID" have to sit 15-20 rows from the stage.

What's your point? We are all passionate about the same thing and both sides of this debate want the same thing so neither side is better and neither side is more giving than the other.

aNiMaL

Plus, if they did away with seniority, can you imagine the drop off in membership dues in the off years? What incentive would the majority have to pay when the band is not touring, or at least not touring in their region?

SPEEDY MCCREADY

aNiMaL wrote:

What's your point? We are all passionate about the same thing and both sides of this debate want the same thing so neither side is better and neither side is more giving than the other.

What is my point?

Simple

I think the 10club should open up the lottery to the first 10-15 rows.

That is all

SPEEDY MCCREADY

aNiMaL wrote:

Plus, if they did away with seniority, can you imagine the drop off in membership dues in the off years? What incentive would the majority have to pay when the band is not touring, or at least not touring in their region?

Ok..

So here we go....hehehehe

What you are saying is....That people here would drop off because "GOD FORBID" they no longer had their seats in the first 5 rows....right???

So it isnt really "about the music' or "about the band" to those people......right???

Its just about THEM and THIER precious first row seats....right????

I say FUCK those people.....

Cosmo

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

One thing that has always cracked me up on this board.

People will come here and its all about "charity". Please donate to Wishlist, The West Memphis Three, help save a tree, send money to help a friend that is unemployed, help give me a free room when I visit your town, please give me a free ride, blah blah blah.


But ask those same people if they are willing to give up their "precious 10club tickets" so a newer fan has the chance to sit up close? And its as if you asked them to give up their first born.

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I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one.
The first misconception is that ONLY those member with seniority are the ones who participate in the charitable aspects of the fan base. Is this true? Do you really believe that the younger members or those whom have joined the Club later refrain from charity... good will towards fellow fans... and that only those with senority contribute? If this is true... which I STRONGLY doubt... what does that tell you about the character of the younger fans?
The second false assumption is that those with seniortiy oppose this lottery. The ones i know... and i know a few of them... are fine with the infusion of the lottery winners. It is mostly those members with the higher numbers that are complaining that the lottery does not go far enough. Who is the selfish one in that equation? You are talking about the first 10 to 15 rows. If you have a higher number and don't win the lottery... you are displaced by 10 or 15 rows instead of 4.
Anyway, I feel it is a fair proposition... the lottery for 1,2 9,10.
I suppose there will never be a pleasing compromise for everyone except having a stage wide enough so every on the the fan club sit in the front row. But, where are you going to find a venue like that... outside of Jupiter?

aNiMaL

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

aNiMaL wrote:

What's your point? We are all passionate about the same thing and both sides of this debate want the same thing so neither side is better and neither side is more giving than the other.

What is my point?

Simple

I think the 10club should open up the lottery to the first 10-15 rows.

That is all

And, I respectfully do not think that is necessary. I think the current lottery system is more than a fair compromise between those with long running memberships and those newer to the club.

South of Seattle

Back_Pedal wrote:

YieldToNothing wrote:

people who've paid there dues should be rewarded.

And the people who were unlucky enough to discover the band after 1991 should be fucked.

If you joined the 10c in 1992 I bet you'd be in the first 7 rows. How is that being fucked?

Cosmo

One solution would be to revert back to the ONE PAIR per Tour.
Which would only work if tours were announced like they were in the old days... all cities with one announcement. Because can you imagine the number of cry baby complaints if everyone went for the known cities... only to find later that their home city gets announced and they screwed the pooch and booked a flight to Los Angeles because they went for that gig.
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There really is no pleasing... I am glad that none of the band members read this message board. This way, they still think we are pretty cool people.