All Concerts Should Be Lottery

Cosmo

Since some people are just unwilling to accept compromise... for whatever reasons... there's always the Nuclear Option:
That is the Ten/VHC stop fighting the TicketMaster/LiveNation juggernaut and give in to their demands to sell ALL tickets in the open market.
This way, ALL fans of ALL ages will get the same shot as ALL people looking to get the best seats in the house. Seniority will no longer matter and those 'priviledged' AARP members will no longer be ruining everyone else's enjoyment of the gigs.
A side benefit of the collateral damage is no more complaining about Fan club pre-Sales and Ten Club Servers. TicketMaster has plenty of horsepower and you can always get in on the KROQ (or other local radio station) pre-sales.
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Personally... I get dis-heartened with all of the petty fucking bickering that 'Fans' make of OTHER FANS. They get anger about seniority... or about how other people act at the gigs... and feel they they are not as good of fans as they are supposed to be. Is there a Pearl Jam Fan Guide book that outlines the standards we're suposed to adhere to? Because if there is... i ain't seen it.

IamMine

Cosmo wrote:

Since some people are just unwilling to accept compromise... for whatever reasons... there's always the Nuclear Option:
That is the Ten/VHC stop fighting the TicketMaster/LiveNation juggernaut and give in to their demands to sell ALL tickets in the open market.
This way, ALL fans of ALL ages will get the same shot as ALL people looking to get the best seats in the house. Seniority will no longer matter and those 'priviledged' AARP members will no longer be ruining everyone else's enjoyment of the gigs.
A side benefit of the collateral damage is no more complaining about Fan club pre-Sales and Ten Club Servers. TicketMaster has plenty of horsepower and you can always get in on the KROQ (or other local radio station) pre-sales.
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Personally... I get dis-heartened with all of the petty fucking bickering that 'Fans' make of OTHER FANS. They get anger about seniority... or about how other people act at the gigs... and feel they they are not as good of fans as they are supposed to be. Is there a Pearl Jam Fan Guide book that outlines the standards we're suposed to adhere to? Because if there is... i ain't seen it.

*nods*

If there is one...I do not want to see it.

Cosmo

100 Pacer wrote:

force-10 wrote:

No animal. I´m going to see them at seattle for the first time. Explain to me what a crappy TC seat would be like.

40th row on the floor,...

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I missed out on the 2000 Fan club seats and ended up in San Diego at the top of the side of the arena. They weren't even real seats... they were those cheap folding chairs that they put behind the last row.
I looked at the positives... those cheap chairs were easy to fold up and set aside so we could have move dancing room.

force-10

Cosmo wrote:

100 Pacer wrote:

force-10 wrote:

No animal. I´m going to see them at seattle for the first time. Explain to me what a crappy TC seat would be like.

40th row on the floor,...

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I missed out on the 2000 Fan club seats and ended up in San Diego at the top of the side of the arena. They weren't even real seats... they were those cheap folding chairs that they put behind the last row.
I looked at the positives... those cheap chairs were easy to fold up and set aside so we could have move dancing room.

That´s the thing. I think we should make the best of what we got. I´m just curious, does anyone know if TC give away lower level seats that are close to the sides of the stage?

PJ_Hawkeye

Fastrichie wrote:

"That Kid, and myself, NEVER would have got into that show with seniority..."

What are you talking about?? Everyone here had the same chance to get into the Vic whether your # was 59000 or 450000. Seniority has nothing to do w/ getting the tickets. Mine is 106xxx and I didn't get tix. And believe me I tried.

Maybe my post was confusing??? That is what I meant...everyone had an equal shot, therefore I got in. If it was seniority I would not have even been close, bc so many PJ TC members would have been above me...maybe I'm lost here...

Wilds

force-10 wrote:

That´s the thing. I think we should make the best of what we got. I´m just curious, does anyone know if TC give away lower level seats that are close to the sides of the stage?

Yeah.... I'm #184,XXX so I'm either 10 to 20 rows back on the floor, OR side stage really close, or as far as center ice.

My perfect seats are on the wings about eye level in the first section.

I've only had those once, in LA in 2006. One night I had those kick ass seats, and the other night I was like row 14 or something struggling to see over the 13 rows in front of me.

Hope to win the lottery one of these days and get in the front.

Back_Pedal

Cosmo wrote:

Back_Pedal wrote:

YieldToNothing wrote:

people who've paid there dues should be rewarded.

And the people who were unlucky enough to discover the band after 1991 should be fucked.

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Hey... that's just the lottery of birth. Some people were born outside the time they think they should have belonged.
And look at the positives... it could have been worse... you could have been born a poor Jewish kid in the Warsaw ghetto back in 1936.

So now we're comparing the persecution of an entire race to not being able to see a band up close?

Lillou77

What about standing tickets? Surely they are better that any seats and give all fans an equal chance of getting to the front, make all standing tickets just 10C problem solved...or are things different in the US standing wise?
If you choose to sit rather than stand you take the chance of poor seats if you are a newer member.

Wilds

Lillou77 wrote:

What about standing tickets? Surely they are better that any seats and give all fans an equal chance of getting to the front, make all standing tickets just 10C problem solved...or are things different in the US standing wise?
If you choose to sit rather than stand you take the chance of poor seats if you are a newer member.

This has been discussed quite a bit.

I don't think that is very fair, cause there are many who are unwilling or unable to play that game.

From people with medical conditions, to short people, to those who don't have the will to fight and be pushed around all night.

That type of GA admission favors the strong and aggressive.

Why should someone who is weaker and passive be shut out of the front cause of their physical nature?

EDIT: And from what I've gathered things are different in the US. People for GA shows are not very respectful and it gets ugly up front, with everyone loaded in and uncomfortable. With more and more people pushing to get front row.

I've been in many of those situations and handle it fine, but just because I'm good doesn't make it right.

Lillou77

I am only 5ft but still prefer standing for the atmosphere...if you choose to sit you have to accept it is harder to get a good place if you are a newbie...just the way it is

Lillou77

In the UK things in the first few GA rows get a bit tough but a bit further back is great

I have had seats for a few PJ shows but given the choice would stand...

IamMine

Wilds wrote:

Lillou77 wrote:

What about standing tickets? Surely they are better that any seats and give all fans an equal chance of getting to the front, make all standing tickets just 10C problem solved...or are things different in the US standing wise?
If you choose to sit rather than stand you take the chance of poor seats if you are a newer member.

This has been discussed quite a bit.

I don't think that is very fair, cause there are many who are unwilling or unable to play that game.

From people with medical conditions, to short people, to those who don't have the will to fight and be pushed around all night.

That type of GA admission favors the strong and aggressive.

Why should someone who is weaker and passive be shut out of the front cause of their physical nature?

EDIT: And from what I've gathered things are different in the US. People for GA shows are not very respectful and it gets ugly up front, with everyone loaded in and uncomfortable. With more and more people pushing to get front row.

I've been in many of those situations and handle it fine, but just because I'm good doesn't make it right.

Agreed.

It is also bizzare watching people not caring about others when they are squeezing or pushing others. I saw this one skinny woman who was fainting and when I tried to point that out to two people who were squeezing her, they gave me the bird.

Okie dokie.... SECURITY!!!!

*boots them out*

But that lady ended up being taken out too... jeez. That's just one example.

Not to mention rude people who are only looking out for themselves.

It's really difficult but yeah for the strong and aggressive, it's pretty good....

Cosmo

Back_Pedal wrote:

So now we're comparing the persecution of an entire race to not being able to see a band up close?

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No. We are talking about the randomness of birth. So what if you were born too late to join a Fan club in 1991? It really isn't that big of a deal. It is just how life works and complaining about people who WERE born in the right time period and did happen to join the club doesn't do anything except make you appear to be a whiney little baby with a strong sense of "Where's mine?".
I'm saying that you hit the fucking jackpot in the birth lottery because there are a lot of other lives that got the shit end of the birth lottery... like getting born in the Warsaw ghetto in 1936 to a poor Jewish family... or getting born in Somalia by an AIDs infected mother... or getting born to a poor single black female living in a housing project in Watts.
It's all on how you look at things... and having to sit a fews rows back at a concert is not that big of a fucking deal... when you expand your horizons an open up your scope a little.

Gary Carter

Wilds wrote:

Lillou77 wrote:

What about standing tickets? Surely they are better that any seats and give all fans an equal chance of getting to the front, make all standing tickets just 10C problem solved...or are things different in the US standing wise?
If you choose to sit rather than stand you take the chance of poor seats if you are a newer member.

This has been discussed quite a bit.

I don't think that is very fair, cause there are many who are unwilling or unable to play that game.

From people with medical conditions, to short people, to those who don't have the will to fight and be pushed around all night.

That type of GA admission favors the strong and aggressive.

Why should someone who is weaker and passive be shut out of the front cause of their physical nature?

EDIT: And from what I've gathered things are different in the US. People for GA shows are not very respectful and it gets ugly up front, with everyone loaded in and uncomfortable. With more and more people pushing to get front row.

I've been in many of those situations and handle it fine, but just because I'm good doesn't make it right.

Your edit part is the main reason why pj will never do GA at arena shows here in america. I think pj are doing a cool thing by playing more theater and club shows here. They take away from the moshing and crowd surfing but still have that ga feel and give fans that closeness to the band.

pkh43

YieldToNothing wrote:

people who've paid there dues should be rewarded.

but, you're right, everyone should have a shot to get real close. i like the system the way it is now. if you've been a member since 92, you don't deserve to sit anywhere outside the first 5 rows, but you aren't entitled to be front and center every time.

but i too hate seeing old people in the front. zero energy. as a performer, i want the people up close to be moving and dancing when i'm singing...not standing there like some geriatric cripples. i want to feel your energy.

Paid their dues? They pay a fee once a year. That is not paying your dues. I do think that it should be a one or two show limit. Not the same loonies taking up all the front row seats.

demetrios

I'm not a gambling man, so i'm against the lottery!

aklobo29

Agreed, I'm an older guy with a family now (46 years old now). I have seen about 26 shows over 18 years in 4 countries. I was there for one of their first shows (Woodsmen's Hall, Eugene, OR 1991). Been a fan since. Have gotten lucky getting tickets over the years, however, since I have only recently joined the 10C (sad, I know), I have found it difficult to score tickets to the upcoming shows -- again all this based on seniority. Lottery or some other way is neccessary. But what would this be??

norm

aklobo29 wrote:

Agreed, I'm an older guy with a family now (46 years old now). I have seen about 26 shows over 18 years in 4 countries. I was there for one of their first shows (Woodsmen's Hall, Eugene, OR 1991). Been a fan since. Have gotten lucky getting tickets over the years, however, since I have only recently joined the 10C (sad, I know), I have found it difficult to score tickets to the upcoming shows -- again all this based on seniority. Lottery or some other way is neccessary. But what would this be??

seniority has nothing to do with purchasing tickets...seniority is only used for seating at shows

Fastrichie

why is scoring tickets hard based on seniority??? You have the same chance for tickets as I do.

Vedder_Girl77

I'm happy with the lottery being for rows 1, 2, 9 &10. That mixes things up and gives everyone a fair shot at moving up. I'll never sit near the stage at a Pearl Jam concert but I don't care. I'm just happy to have tickets and be in the building. I'll have a good time no matter where I am sitting.