They are the enemy? They're your enemy? What did they ever do to you? Are they your enemy because your government tells you they are? Or are they your enemy cuz they've done something personal to you?
They are the enemy? They're your enemy? What did they ever do to you? Are they your enemy because your government tells you they are? Or are they your enemy cuz they've done something personal to you?
who are you asking, a civilian here or a soldier? The answers will vary. One key part is as a soldier, that person wants to kill you. That makes a difference in my mind.
I don't give a shit who you are... Any race, nationality, you fly in from outer space. If I feel my life is threatened, I'm going to do my best to be the one that walks out alive.
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if you call a sniper a coward then you are basically calling anyone in the armed forces a coward. everyone has a job to do, and a sniper is one of them. it's taking out potential threats to his fellow soldiers.
They are the enemy? They're your enemy? What did they ever do to you? Are they your enemy because your government tells you they are? Or are they your enemy cuz they've done something personal to you?
the enemy of the american soldier. kill or be killed. I'm pretty sure that's all he meant.
I was asking Scott empty. And not for nothing, but could we agree that it should be allowed by the "enemy" to feel the same way? I mean we are over THERE. I'm not trying to start shit with u or Scott cuz I really do like you guys. I'm just making statements about your posts. Nothing personal
I was asking Scott empty. And not for nothing, but could we agree that it should be allowed by the "enemy" to feel the same way? I mean we are over THERE. I'm not trying to start shit with u or Scott cuz I really do like you guys. I'm just making statements about your posts. Nothing personal
I'm not taking anything personally.
and yes, of course, the "enemy" can and should use any means necessary as well. I don't think anyone is suggesting there are special rules for american/western soldiers.
if canada was being invaded and civilians were being targeted, damn straight I'd be sitting up in a tree with a big fucking gun and picking off anyone tied to the invaders and leaving land mines at the end of my driveway.
I was asking Scott empty. And not for nothing, but could we agree that it should be allowed by the "enemy" to feel the same way? I mean we are over THERE. I'm not trying to start shit with u or Scott cuz I really do like you guys. I'm just making statements about your posts. Nothing personal
I'm not taking anything personal. My last post was trying to tie you and Scott together a little. I don't think Scott was calling anyone his enemy, more they are the enemies of the U.S. Soldiers. Why? Because "they" are out to kill the soldiers. That is the only reason why they're enemies...like it was said "kill or be killed".
We'll agree on this BB - the whole planet is fucked up.
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I was asking Scott empty. And not for nothing, but could we agree that it should be allowed by the "enemy" to feel the same way? I mean we are over THERE. I'm not trying to start shit with u or Scott cuz I really do like you guys. I'm just making statements about your posts. Nothing personal
I meant what I said. They are THE enemy. The other side. The side that wants to kill you. I was opposed to the war in Iraq and I am not a soldier. They are the snipers enemy. And don't think for a second that they don't have snipers either.
Empty glass, put yourself in their shoes. No really. Militarily advanced force attacks your town and you have 1960's era small munitions. And reason fabricated bullshit. Utter fucking bullshit. Do I hate on US soldiers no! But sure as hell can empathize with people we are slaughtering for piece of shit Halliburton and Boeing.
Empty glass, put yourself in their shoes. No really. Militarily advanced force attacks your town and you have 1960's era small munitions. And reason fabricated bullshit. Utter fucking bullshit. Do I hate on US soldiers no! But sure as hell can empathize with people we are slaughtering for piece of shit Halliburton and Boeing.
I understand what you're saying. Your first post I replied too read like you also had full support of the people who fly planes into buildings, which is why I replied like I did.
Also, there are a few posts that make it sound like we are killing every Middle Easterner we see. We do have an enemy, the terrorist. I certainly want to have a better arsenal than they have.
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They are the enemy? They're your enemy? What did they ever do to you? Are they your enemy because your government tells you they are? Or are they your enemy cuz they've done something personal to you?
Whoa, wait a minute, hold everything. This is it right here. bb's statement here is like a whack to the side of the head. Who the fuck are our enemies? Why do we have snipers picking off people at all... anywhere? Why? No one has attacked us-- yeah ok, 911 but really, we never really narrowed that one down and have probably gone about the business of killing thousands of the wrong people over that. Who is our enemy? Good goddamn fucking good question, bb!
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Don't like snipers? Fine. Have problems with the film? Also fine. Just don't pretend you weren't referencing Chris Kyle with your earlier tweets. That may be factually correct but it is intellectually dishonest, and that is why Moore deserves much of the contempt so many of us feel for him. He is no better than Limbaugh.
Don't like snipers? Fine. Have problems with the film? Also fine. Just don't pretend you weren't referencing Chris Kyle with your earlier tweets. That may be factually correct but it is intellectually dishonest, and that is why Moore deserves much of the contempt so many of us feel for him. He is no better than Limbaugh.
Some factual truths about the movie and what actually happened in reality.....read up.
Did Chris Kyle really shoot a boy who was concealing a grenade?
No. In the movie, Chris Kyle (Bradley Cooper) shoots a boy and his mother who are approaching a U.S. Marine convoy concealing an RKG-3 Russian Anti-Tank Grenade. In the book, a woman does come out of a small house with her child, but she approaches the convoy by herself as she conceals something beneath her clothes. She sets a Chinese grenade, not a Russian RKG. Kyle hesitates shooting the woman but does take the shot. The grenade drops and he fires again as it's exploding. It was "the only time I killed anyone other than a male combatant," writes Kyle. In the book, he indicates that this is his first kill in Iraq.
In his autobiography, Chris Kyle does scope a child at one point. The moment is also depicted in the movie. The combatants had sent the child down the street to retrieve an RPG (in the movie, a nearby boy simply wanders over and picks up the RPG). "I had a clear view in my scope," writes Kyle, "but I didn't fire. I wasn't going to kill a kid, innocent or not. I'd have to wait until the savage who put him up to it showed himself on the street."
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Some Iraqis actually want us THERE. Canadians are currently serving in Iraq on behalf of the iraqis. Some Canadian snipers were fired upon and engaged "the enemy" just last week. These islamic radicals are "the enemy". They just slaughtered a bunch of kids in Mosul for watching a soccer game. We Canadians are not there for oil or halliburton or imperialism...we are there to help those muslims and christians that don't want to be overrun by fanatics. The group that took responsibility for Hebdo have just today declared Canada a proper target for additional attacks based on our willingness to confront them. They are Iraq's enemy. They are my country's enemy. They are my enemy. They should be your's.
Maybe some things need to be clarified. I never met any soldier, sailor, marine or seaman that loved going to war. The thing we did love was our fellow service members, the majority of us would oDo anything for the, as well as do anything for the innocent civilians. Of course there are the few bad app,es that cause more problems. Someone mentioned Chris Kyle saying that he regretted that he did not kill more. That is a misquote he regretted not killing more people who killed US service members. He had what a lot of people including myself have as survivors remorse. I did not have such a tough job as Me Kyle did but I often Wonder how I survived and other people did not. He was not perched from his tower sniping innocent civilians like a few of you all Have said. I think people need to walk a mile in his shoes before they pass judge,enr. What.was he supposed to do watch his fellow service men die because the shot came from the back? The movie in my eyes did not glorify the war in Iraq it showed what it cost us. Some lost their life, some lost there limbs and some lost a bit of there soul. I think the movie showed that . Just my .02.
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Maybe some things need to be clarified. I never met any soldier, sailor, marine or seaman that loved going to war. The thing we did love was our fellow service members, the majority of us would oDo anything for the, as well as do anything for the innocent civilians. Of course there are the few bad app,es that cause more problems. Someone mentioned Chris Kyle saying that he regretted that he did not kill more. That is a misquote he regretted not killing more people who killed US service members. He had what a lot of people including myself have as survivors remorse. I did not have such a tough job as Me Kyle did but I often Wonder how I survived and other people did not. He was not perched from his tower sniping innocent civilians like a few of you all Have said. I think people need to walk a mile in his shoes before they pass judge,enr. What.was he supposed to do watch his fellow service men die because the shot came from the back? The movie in my eyes did not glorify the war in Iraq it showed what it cost us. Some lost their life, some lost there limbs and some lost a bit of there soul. I think the movie showed that . Just my .02.
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I have very close family members who have served in various wars going back as far as WWII. I would never say anything to disparage or disrespect those or any other individuals but I still oppose war, especially all of the wars we have been involved in in my life time. There's a difference between being anti-war and anti-people.
That and the fact still remains that this country does far more to romanticize and glorify war than we do to promote, sanctify or celebrate peace. Am I wrong about that? Prove it, please!
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I have very close family members who have served in various wars going back as far as WWII. I would never say anything to disparage or disrespect those or any other individuals but I still oppose war, especially all of the wars we have been involved in in my life time. There's a difference between being anti-war and anti-people.
That and the fact still remains that this country does far more to romanticize and glorify war than we do to promote, sanctify or celebrate peace. Am I wrong about that? Prove it, please!
Brian, don't preface the meat of your argument with your family. People piss in our ears sometimes and tell us it's raining. I will just blame that on global warming and their lack of effort to combat that.
You are wrong about your country romanticizing and glorifying war. Your countries movies do that and they do it well.
If anything a person being anti-people would not sanctify or celebrate peace.
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If anything a person being anti-people would not sanctify or celebrate peace.
Yes, true. What I meant and should have said was, I am against the war, not against the soldiers. I wish they would do something else for a living, but I am not going to berate any individual.
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I wish my dad and I had had more time to talk of his time serving in WWII, but his love of and loyalty to those with whom (vs against) he was fighting was always made clear. To be in a foxhole with one or two fellow men - all such young men at that - scared and covering each other and on alert and so hungry they'd describe favorite meals in detail to each other.
As I write this, I realize it's not so far-fetched that his life may have been saved by a(n allied) bullet fired at someone else aiming at him...or he may have done the same for another - but never asked nor was told.
If you had to make a choice...what would you rather have? A sniper taking out these scumbags before they kill innocent civilians, or just let them roam the streets and kill anyone and everyone they please? Seriously, I'm curious how some of you will answer this.
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who are you asking, a civilian here or a soldier? The answers will vary. One key part is as a soldier, that person wants to kill you. That makes a difference in my mind.
I don't give a shit who you are... Any race, nationality, you fly in from outer space. If I feel my life is threatened, I'm going to do my best to be the one that walks out alive.
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the enemy of the american soldier. kill or be killed. I'm pretty sure that's all he meant.
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I'm not taking anything personally.
and yes, of course, the "enemy" can and should use any means necessary as well. I don't think anyone is suggesting there are special rules for american/western soldiers.
if canada was being invaded and civilians were being targeted, damn straight I'd be sitting up in a tree with a big fucking gun and picking off anyone tied to the invaders and leaving land mines at the end of my driveway.
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I'm not taking anything personal. My last post was trying to tie you and Scott together a little. I don't think Scott was calling anyone his enemy, more they are the enemies of the U.S. Soldiers. Why? Because "they" are out to kill the soldiers. That is the only reason why they're enemies...like it was said "kill or be killed".
We'll agree on this BB - the whole planet is fucked up.
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Humans get so caught up on sides. I'm thinking I would enjoy sharing a meal with 999999,9% of humans my country kills.
Just don't ask me to lead the pre meal prayer.
I meant what I said. They are THE enemy. The other side. The side that wants to kill you. I was opposed to the war in Iraq and I am not a soldier. They are the snipers enemy. And don't think for a second that they don't have snipers either.
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I understand what you're saying. Your first post I replied too read like you also had full support of the people who fly planes into buildings, which is why I replied like I did.
Also, there are a few posts that make it sound like we are killing every Middle Easterner we see. We do have an enemy, the terrorist. I certainly want to have a better arsenal than they have.
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Whoa, wait a minute, hold everything. This is it right here. bb's statement here is like a whack to the side of the head. Who the fuck are our enemies? Why do we have snipers picking off people at all... anywhere? Why? No one has attacked us-- yeah ok, 911 but really, we never really narrowed that one down and have probably gone about the business of killing thousands of the wrong people over that. Who is our enemy? Good goddamn fucking good question, bb!
Some factual truths about the movie and what actually happened in reality.....read up.
http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/american-sniper/
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Did Chris Kyle really shoot a boy who was concealing a grenade?
No. In the movie, Chris Kyle (Bradley Cooper) shoots a boy and his mother who are approaching a U.S. Marine convoy concealing an RKG-3 Russian Anti-Tank Grenade. In the book, a woman does come out of a small house with her child, but she approaches the convoy by herself as she conceals something beneath her clothes. She sets a Chinese grenade, not a Russian RKG. Kyle hesitates shooting the woman but does take the shot. The grenade drops and he fires again as it's exploding. It was "the only time I killed anyone other than a male combatant," writes Kyle. In the book, he indicates that this is his first kill in Iraq.
In his autobiography, Chris Kyle does scope a child at one point. The moment is also depicted in the movie. The combatants had sent the child down the street to retrieve an RPG (in the movie, a nearby boy simply wanders over and picks up the RPG). "I had a clear view in my scope," writes Kyle, "but I didn't fire. I wasn't going to kill a kid, innocent or not. I'd have to wait until the savage who put him up to it showed himself on the street."
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That and the fact still remains that this country does far more to romanticize and glorify war than we do to promote, sanctify or celebrate peace. Am I wrong about that? Prove it, please!
Brian, don't preface the meat of your argument with your family. People piss in our ears sometimes and tell us it's raining. I will just blame that on global warming and their lack of effort to combat that.
You are wrong about your country romanticizing and glorifying war. Your countries movies do that and they do it well.
If anything a person being anti-people would not sanctify or celebrate peace.
You sound like you're teaching a composition class. I never argue with my English teachers. :-)
Oh how I wish I were wrong on that, PJf. But I don't see the proof. :-(
Yes, true. What I meant and should have said was, I am against the war, not against the soldiers. I wish they would do something else for a living, but I am not going to berate any individual.
I wish my dad and I had had more time to talk of his time serving in WWII, but his love of and loyalty to those with whom (vs against) he was fighting was always made clear. To be in a foxhole with one or two fellow men - all such young men at that - scared and covering each other and on alert and so hungry they'd describe favorite meals in detail to each other.
As I write this, I realize it's not so far-fetched that his life may have been saved by a(n allied) bullet fired at someone else aiming at him...or he may have done the same for another - but never asked nor was told.
Kinda wish I knew.
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If you had to make a choice...what would you rather have? A sniper taking out these scumbags before they kill innocent civilians, or just let them roam the streets and kill anyone and everyone they please? Seriously, I'm curious how some of you will answer this.