Michael Moore proving once again...

callen

I call those that stand up to invading force that has drones , jets, precision guided missiles and sharks with freakin laser beams Hero's.

Last-12-Exit

And the best movies are not only made by independent film makers.

Empty Glass

callen wrote: »

I call those that stand up to invading force that has drones , jets, precision guided missiles and sharks with freakin laser beams Hero's.

Go join them

callen

Empty glass, put yourself in their shoes. No really. Militarily advanced force attacks your town and you have 1960's era small munitions. And reason fabricated bullshit. Utter fucking bullshit. Do I hate on US soldiers no! But sure as hell can empathize with people we are slaughtering for piece of shit Halliburton and Boeing.

badbrains

Callen is spot on with his post. We are THERE. We ARE THEIR enemy.

Jason P

Moore is just angry because if he was in a war he would be the easiest target in the history of sniping.

JimmyV

I'm surprised by the number of conversations I've had with people who have a problem with this movie yet also paid to see it. Opening weekend.

Jason P

It looks to be a total bummer of a movie based on the commercials. I shall not be paying $15 to be bummed out for two hours.

Empty Glass

callen wrote: »

Empty glass, put yourself in their shoes. No really. Militarily advanced force attacks your town and you have 1960's era small munitions. And reason fabricated bullshit. Utter fucking bullshit. Do I hate on US soldiers no! But sure as hell can empathize with people we are slaughtering for piece of shit Halliburton and Boeing.

I understand what you're saying. Your first post I replied too read like you also had full support of the people who fly planes into buildings, which is why I replied like I did.

Also, there are a few posts that make it sound like we are killing every Middle Easterner we see. We do have an enemy, the terrorist. I certainly want to have a better arsenal than they have.

brianlux

badbrains wrote: »

They are the enemy? They're your enemy? What did they ever do to you? Are they your enemy because your government tells you they are? Or are they your enemy cuz they've done something personal to you?

Whoa, wait a minute, hold everything. This is it right here. bb's statement here is like a whack to the side of the head. Who the fuck are our enemies? Why do we have snipers picking off people at all... anywhere? Why? No one has attacked us-- yeah ok, 911 but really, we never really narrowed that one down and have probably gone about the business of killing thousands of the wrong people over that. Who is our enemy? Good goddamn fucking good question, bb!

g under p

cincybearcat wrote: »

That he is a blowhard asshat.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/19/entertainment/feat-michael-moore-sniper-tweet-feat/

JimmyV wrote: »

I actually think it is this tweet that proves what an "asshat" Michael Moore is:

https://twitter.com/MMFlint/status/557191072661909504

Don't like snipers? Fine. Have problems with the film? Also fine. Just don't pretend you weren't referencing Chris Kyle with your earlier tweets. That may be factually correct but it is intellectually dishonest, and that is why Moore deserves much of the contempt so many of us feel for him. He is no better than Limbaugh.

JimmyV wrote: »

I actually think it is this tweet that proves what an "asshat" Michael Moore is:

https://twitter.com/MMFlint/status/557191072661909504

Don't like snipers? Fine. Have problems with the film? Also fine. Just don't pretend you weren't referencing Chris Kyle with your earlier tweets. That may be factually correct but it is intellectually dishonest, and that is why Moore deserves much of the contempt so many of us feel for him. He is no better than Limbaugh.

Some factual truths about the movie and what actually happened in reality.....read up.

http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/american-sniper/

Questioning The Story:


Did Chris Kyle really shoot a boy who was concealing a grenade?
No. In the movie, Chris Kyle (Bradley Cooper) shoots a boy and his mother who are approaching a U.S. Marine convoy concealing an RKG-3 Russian Anti-Tank Grenade. In the book, a woman does come out of a small house with her child, but she approaches the convoy by herself as she conceals something beneath her clothes. She sets a Chinese grenade, not a Russian RKG. Kyle hesitates shooting the woman but does take the shot. The grenade drops and he fires again as it's exploding. It was "the only time I killed anyone other than a male combatant," writes Kyle. In the book, he indicates that this is his first kill in Iraq.

In his autobiography, Chris Kyle does scope a child at one point. The moment is also depicted in the movie. The combatants had sent the child down the street to retrieve an RPG (in the movie, a nearby boy simply wanders over and picks up the RPG). "I had a clear view in my scope," writes Kyle, "but I didn't fire. I wasn't going to kill a kid, innocent or not. I'd have to wait until the savage who put him up to it showed himself on the street."

Peace

BS44325

Some Iraqis actually want us THERE. Canadians are currently serving in Iraq on behalf of the iraqis. Some Canadian snipers were fired upon and engaged "the enemy" just last week. These islamic radicals are "the enemy". They just slaughtered a bunch of kids in Mosul for watching a soccer game. We Canadians are not there for oil or halliburton or imperialism...we are there to help those muslims and christians that don't want to be overrun by fanatics. The group that took responsibility for Hebdo have just today declared Canada a proper target for additional attacks based on our willingness to confront them. They are Iraq's enemy. They are my country's enemy. They are my enemy. They should be your's.

Dirtie_Frank

Maybe some things need to be clarified. I never met any soldier, sailor, marine or seaman that loved going to war. The thing we did love was our fellow service members, the majority of us would oDo anything for the, as well as do anything for the innocent civilians. Of course there are the few bad app,es that cause more problems. Someone mentioned Chris Kyle saying that he regretted that he did not kill more. That is a misquote he regretted not killing more people who killed US service members. He had what a lot of people including myself have as survivors remorse. I did not have such a tough job as Me Kyle did but I often Wonder how I survived and other people did not. He was not perched from his tower sniping innocent civilians like a few of you all Have said. I think people need to walk a mile in his shoes before they pass judge,enr. What.was he supposed to do watch his fellow service men die because the shot came from the back? The movie in my eyes did not glorify the war in Iraq it showed what it cost us. Some lost their life, some lost there limbs and some lost a bit of there soul. I think the movie showed that . Just my .02.

BS44325

Thank you for your service Dirtie_Frank

Empty Glass

Dirtie_Frank wrote: »

Maybe some things need to be clarified. I never met any soldier, sailor, marine or seaman that loved going to war. The thing we did love was our fellow service members, the majority of us would oDo anything for the, as well as do anything for the innocent civilians. Of course there are the few bad app,es that cause more problems. Someone mentioned Chris Kyle saying that he regretted that he did not kill more. That is a misquote he regretted not killing more people who killed US service members. He had what a lot of people including myself have as survivors remorse. I did not have such a tough job as Me Kyle did but I often Wonder how I survived and other people did not. He was not perched from his tower sniping innocent civilians like a few of you all Have said. I think people need to walk a mile in his shoes before they pass judge,enr. What.was he supposed to do watch his fellow service men die because the shot came from the back? The movie in my eyes did not glorify the war in Iraq it showed what it cost us. Some lost their life, some lost there limbs and some lost a bit of there soul. I think the movie showed that . Just my .02.

=D>

Well said

brianlux

I have very close family members who have served in various wars going back as far as WWII. I would never say anything to disparage or disrespect those or any other individuals but I still oppose war, especially all of the wars we have been involved in in my life time. There's a difference between being anti-war and anti-people.

That and the fact still remains that this country does far more to romanticize and glorify war than we do to promote, sanctify or celebrate peace. Am I wrong about that? Prove it, please!

PJfanwillneverleave1

brianlux wrote: »

I have very close family members who have served in various wars going back as far as WWII. I would never say anything to disparage or disrespect those or any other individuals but I still oppose war, especially all of the wars we have been involved in in my life time. There's a difference between being anti-war and anti-people.

That and the fact still remains that this country does far more to romanticize and glorify war than we do to promote, sanctify or celebrate peace. Am I wrong about that? Prove it, please!

Brian, don't preface the meat of your argument with your family. People piss in our ears sometimes and tell us it's raining. I will just blame that on global warming and their lack of effort to combat that.

You are wrong about your country romanticizing and glorifying war. Your countries movies do that and they do it well.

If anything a person being anti-people would not sanctify or celebrate peace.

brianlux

PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »

Brian, don't preface the meat of your argument with your family.

You sound like you're teaching a composition class. I never argue with my English teachers. :-)

PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »

You are wrong about your country romanticizing and glorifying war. Your countries movies do that and they do it well.

Oh how I wish I were wrong on that, PJf. But I don't see the proof. :-(

PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »

If anything a person being anti-people would not sanctify or celebrate peace.

Yes, true. What I meant and should have said was, I am against the war, not against the soldiers. I wish they would do something else for a living, but I am not going to berate any individual.

hedonist

BS44325 wrote: »

Thank you for your service Dirtie_Frank

Must echo this.

I wish my dad and I had had more time to talk of his time serving in WWII, but his love of and loyalty to those with whom (vs against) he was fighting was always made clear. To be in a foxhole with one or two fellow men - all such young men at that - scared and covering each other and on alert and so hungry they'd describe favorite meals in detail to each other.

As I write this, I realize it's not so far-fetched that his life may have been saved by a(n allied) bullet fired at someone else aiming at him...or he may have done the same for another - but never asked nor was told.

Kinda wish I knew.

Shawshank

I personally think we need more snipers over there to take out these classy fuckers...

http://nypost.com/2015/01/19/isis-executes-13-teens-for-watching-soccer/

If you had to make a choice...what would you rather have? A sniper taking out these scumbags before they kill innocent civilians, or just let them roam the streets and kill anyone and everyone they please? Seriously, I'm curious how some of you will answer this.