Michael Moore proving once again...

HughFreakingDillon

Drowned Out wrote: »

paulonious wrote: »

Drowned Out wrote: »

I would love to see a movie that showed the story of a normal Iraqi family and what they went thru (and are probably still going thru) to survive the war. I know I know....let the Iraqis make that film. It would be a flop etc etc....that tells me even more about our collective outlook on life.

I think a film like this would be a blockbuster, personally.

Maybe you're right. They could get a bunch of white people to play the family. Give them british accents (cause all foreigners in movies have british accents). Make some slightly critical comments about the US military and have Fox news try to ban it, giving it a ton of free publicity....maybe everyone involved would make it out alive.
I have to wonder tho....would any studio make that movie? Highly doubt it.

no, I think if it was done correctly and as truthfully as possible, not necessarily making it anti-american government or soldier but just sympathetic to the Iraqi family and their plight, there are enough people in the US, and even more around the globe, that KNOW going to Iraq was a massive mistake, that it would make an incredible story. But you're right, not many studios would risk making a movie like that at this point in time.

I think it's a story that will be told, and also needs to be.

callen

Also don't watch war movies and get tired of our USA USA propaganda machine. Have not seen this flick and likely won't.

HughFreakingDillon

Last-12-Exit wrote: »

josevolution wrote: »

I'm just sick of the war movies period , enough with the poms poms rah rah America is number 1 we can destroy any nation movies please stop enough is enough ........

I think that is an odd sentiment. I'm sick of country music, can they stop making it?

I see what you are saying, but what I get from Jose's comment is that hollywood seems to be capitalizing a little too much (even for hollywood) on the current events. it's war movie after war movie, and everyone eats them up. best pic after best pic. I guess it makes for compelling viewing, and hollywood never shows the gruesome nature of the aftermath of the real victims, just the heroics of the soldier of the day.

sometimes I wonder if it's all propaganda to help swell the registration of the armed forces....

backseatLover12

brianlux wrote: »

Smellyman wrote: »

When you give up your free will and kill in the name of country by another man's orders is cowardly. Oh but I am fighting for good!

Snipers or not.

The day America stops romanticizing this bullshit the world will be a better place. "Be all you can be" bullshit.

Romanticizing Yes, that's it. Some question my use of the word "glorifying". I still think that sticks, but romanticizing may even a better descriptor. Let's face it, America has had a hard on for war for decades.

More like, America has a hard on for violence and guns for decades. And it's only getting worse.

backseatLover12

Last-12-Exit wrote: »

badbrains wrote: »

You know who's NOT a coward? The soldiers in Libya who REFUSED to follow orders to kill innocent civilians and by doing so, paid with their own lives. That's a REAL man. Not someone hiding in a building shooting at Palestinian kids or Iraqi people.

Do you really think American snipers sit in a nest a pick off innocent women and children??

To kill someone from behind… in the back…sneakily... that is considered cowardly, yes.

Empty Glass

backseatLover12 wrote: »

Last-12-Exit wrote: »

badbrains wrote: »

You know who's NOT a coward? The soldiers in Libya who REFUSED to follow orders to kill innocent civilians and by doing so, paid with their own lives. That's a REAL man. Not someone hiding in a building shooting at Palestinian kids or Iraqi people.

Do you really think American snipers sit in a nest a pick off innocent women and children??

To kill someone from behind… in the back…sneakily... that is somewhat cowardly, yes.

Hopefully the memo goes out that says - "Don't kill the guy that's about to kill your fellow soldiers". That will solve it.

Anyone that volunteers for service isn't a coward. I'm sorry the world isn't the utopia that everyone wants. War started when we had our first handful of humans. The U.S. didn't invent it. Sucks we (the U.S.) get called in to try and fix every situation. The utopia isn't going to happen, humans are animals.

I'd hate to be the guy on his 8th tour somewhere because he volunteered for something. I'm sure he's not glorifying anything, but we have people typing into their computers calling them cowards.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Here's a one liner
http://popwatch.ew.com/2015/01/20/sarah-palin-praises-american-sniper-calls-out-hollywood-leftists/
http://imgur.com/a/nk0s7

josevolution

Last-12-Exit wrote: »

josevolution wrote: »

I'm just sick of the war movies period , enough with the poms poms rah rah America is number 1 we can destroy any nation movies please stop enough is enough ........

I think that is an odd sentiment. I'm sick of country music, can they stop making it?

ok phrased it wrong you get my point though , sick of pom pom war movies the world gets it we are numero 1 the strongest mightiest , i respect all soldiers from every branch of armed forces .....Like someone else said where are the movies about what's left behind all the misery , the children left behind with no parents or families ....where is that movie !!

Last-12-Exit

backseatLover12 wrote: »

Last-12-Exit wrote: »

badbrains wrote: »

You know who's NOT a coward? The soldiers in Libya who REFUSED to follow orders to kill innocent civilians and by doing so, paid with their own lives. That's a REAL man. Not someone hiding in a building shooting at Palestinian kids or Iraqi people.

Do you really think American snipers sit in a nest a pick off innocent women and children??

To kill someone from behind… in the back…sneakily... that is considered cowardly, yes.

Again, I disagree with you. They are the enemy. I don't care if they are killed in the back or the front. It doesn't matter if you are against war or not. I don't think America had any business in iraq. But we were there and snipers played a huge part in saving American lives. There's nothing cowardly about that.

backseatLover12

josevolution wrote: »

ok phrased it wrong you get my point though , sick of pom pom war movies the world gets it we are numero 1 the strongest mightiest , i respect all soldiers from every branch of armed forces .....Like someone else said where are the movies about what's left behind all the misery , the children left behind with no parents or families ....where is that movie !!

Hollywood makes limited types of movies: "action packed" flicks (including war movies), sequels, romantic comedies, dumb as shit comedies, "based on real life story" movies, "the book was better" movies, and the ever popular "remake" movies of movies that have been redone multiple times. Doesn't anyone ever wonder why intelligent movies are only made by independent filmmakers?

Not saying that this sniper movie is bad. But Hollywood is very good at staying dumb and simple. Simple movies for the simple status quo people to spend their money on.

badbrains

They are the enemy? They're your enemy? What did they ever do to you? Are they your enemy because your government tells you they are? Or are they your enemy cuz they've done something personal to you?

Empty Glass

badbrains wrote: »

They are the enemy? They're your enemy? What did they ever do to you? Are they your enemy because your government tells you they are? Or are they your enemy cuz they've done something personal to you?

who are you asking, a civilian here or a soldier? The answers will vary. One key part is as a soldier, that person wants to kill you. That makes a difference in my mind.

I don't give a shit who you are... Any race, nationality, you fly in from outer space. If I feel my life is threatened, I'm going to do my best to be the one that walks out alive.

HughFreakingDillon

if you call a sniper a coward then you are basically calling anyone in the armed forces a coward. everyone has a job to do, and a sniper is one of them. it's taking out potential threats to his fellow soldiers.

HughFreakingDillon

badbrains wrote: »

They are the enemy? They're your enemy? What did they ever do to you? Are they your enemy because your government tells you they are? Or are they your enemy cuz they've done something personal to you?

the enemy of the american soldier. kill or be killed. I'm pretty sure that's all he meant.

badbrains

I was asking Scott empty. And not for nothing, but could we agree that it should be allowed by the "enemy" to feel the same way? I mean we are over THERE. I'm not trying to start shit with u or Scott cuz I really do like you guys. I'm just making statements about your posts. Nothing personal

HughFreakingDillon

badbrains wrote: »

I was asking Scott empty. And not for nothing, but could we agree that it should be allowed by the "enemy" to feel the same way? I mean we are over THERE. I'm not trying to start shit with u or Scott cuz I really do like you guys. I'm just making statements about your posts. Nothing personal

I'm not taking anything personally.

and yes, of course, the "enemy" can and should use any means necessary as well. I don't think anyone is suggesting there are special rules for american/western soldiers.

if canada was being invaded and civilians were being targeted, damn straight I'd be sitting up in a tree with a big fucking gun and picking off anyone tied to the invaders and leaving land mines at the end of my driveway.

Empty Glass

badbrains wrote: »

I was asking Scott empty. And not for nothing, but could we agree that it should be allowed by the "enemy" to feel the same way? I mean we are over THERE. I'm not trying to start shit with u or Scott cuz I really do like you guys. I'm just making statements about your posts. Nothing personal

I'm not taking anything personal. My last post was trying to tie you and Scott together a little. I don't think Scott was calling anyone his enemy, more they are the enemies of the U.S. Soldiers. Why? Because "they" are out to kill the soldiers. That is the only reason why they're enemies...like it was said "kill or be killed".

We'll agree on this BB - the whole planet is fucked up.

backseatLover12

So a person that shoots another in the back, from his tower, where he can't be touched or seen - is a justifiable and uncowardly action??

callen

Good points above BB. Muslims aren't my enemy. Corporations enemy but not mine.

Humans get so caught up on sides. I'm thinking I would enjoy sharing a meal with 999999,9% of humans my country kills.

Just don't ask me to lead the pre meal prayer.

Last-12-Exit

badbrains wrote: »

I was asking Scott empty. And not for nothing, but could we agree that it should be allowed by the "enemy" to feel the same way? I mean we are over THERE. I'm not trying to start shit with u or Scott cuz I really do like you guys. I'm just making statements about your posts. Nothing personal

I meant what I said. They are THE enemy. The other side. The side that wants to kill you. I was opposed to the war in Iraq and I am not a soldier. They are the snipers enemy. And don't think for a second that they don't have snipers either.