Oh please Brian, step off your pedestal. People have said far worse about others here, and I'm not addressing a single poster here.
Way to have respect for a day observed nationally to honor a man to have made a difference in the name of PEACE and rights for everyone. THAT'S what Brian is talking about. He's on no pedestal, you must be merely in need to point a finger somewhere, and you were told how it is.
I have to cop to this one, bsL12, cincy's call was good. It is true that others -probably all of us at one point- have said worse.
That said, I won't renege on anything else I've said here. It is so U.S. of us to glorify someone who sits in a tree (or whatever) and picks off people. I suppose I am guilty of reacting a bit too strongly... maybe... on this issue but six decades of watching the U.S. become more and more a warring nation I just can't stomach the guts 'n gory glory hallefuckinlujah posturing that defines so much of what we have become as a nation. And I am speaking in general terms here. I don't mean to single any one out here. It's the combined overall effect of a bloodthirsty, aggressive murderous position we have take as a whole that I rage against.
As for Michael Moore, yeah it's easy to criticize someone in the lime light and I'm sure he has his faults but he has the guts to speak his mind on issues that so many others back off from. It's a wonder he's still alive. I say, good for him and thanks for the courage to speak out. That is what this is supposed to be all about, right? Courage.
must be nice to perch from your tree while others have your back
And how easy it is to dash of your little one liners and really have nothing of value to say.
You're right. My one liners are in jest and mean nothing.
I saw it and thought it was pretty solid. Whether you were for the war or against the war is irrelevant...this is a movie telling one man's story. To tell a story and/or to enjoy a story does not mean you are celebrating it. Just because I rock out to Jeremy doesn't mean I dig school shootings! Chillax y'all!
Oh please Brian, step off your pedestal. People have said far worse about others here, and I'm not addressing a single poster here.
Way to have respect for a day observed nationally to honor a man to have made a difference in the name of PEACE and rights for everyone. THAT'S what Brian is talking about. He's on no pedestal, you must be merely in need to point a finger somewhere, and you were told how it is.
I have to cop to this one, bsL12, cincy's call was good. It is true that others -probably all of us at one point- have said worse.
That said, I won't renege on anything else I've said here. It is so U.S. of us to glorify someone who sits in a tree (or whatever) and picks off people. I suppose I am guilty of reacting a bit too strongly... maybe... on this issue but six decades of watching the U.S. become more and more a warring nation I just can't stomach the guts 'n gory glory hallefuckinlujah posturing that defines so much of what we have become as a nation. And I am speaking in general terms here. I don't mean to single any one out here. It's the combined overall effect of a bloodthirsty, aggressive murderous position we have take as a whole that I rage against.
As for Michael Moore, yeah it's easy to criticize someone in the lime light and I'm sure he has his faults but he has the guts to speak his mind on issues that so many others back off from. It's a wonder he's still alive. I say, good for him and thanks for the courage to speak out. That is what this is supposed to be all about, right? Courage.
must be nice to perch from your tree while others have your back
And how easy it is to dash of your little one liners and really have nothing of value to say.
You're right. My one liners are in jest and mean nothing.
Please sees my PM so we can move past this. Thanks.
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Oh please Brian, step off your pedestal. People have said far worse about others here, and I'm not addressing a single poster here.
Way to have respect for a day observed nationally to honor a man to have made a difference in the name of PEACE and rights for everyone. THAT'S what Brian is talking about. He's on no pedestal, you must be merely in need to point a finger somewhere, and you were told how it is.
I have to cop to this one, bsL12, cincy's call was good. It is true that others -probably all of us at one point- have said worse.
That said, I won't renege on anything else I've said here. It is so U.S. of us to glorify someone who sits in a tree (or whatever) and picks off people. I suppose I am guilty of reacting a bit too strongly... maybe... on this issue but six decades of watching the U.S. become more and more a warring nation I just can't stomach the guts 'n gory glory hallefuckinlujah posturing that defines so much of what we have become as a nation. And I am speaking in general terms here. I don't mean to single any one out here. It's the combined overall effect of a bloodthirsty, aggressive murderous position we have take as a whole that I rage against.
As for Michael Moore, yeah it's easy to criticize someone in the lime light and I'm sure he has his faults but he has the guts to speak his mind on issues that so many others back off from. It's a wonder he's still alive. I say, good for him and thanks for the courage to speak out. That is what this is supposed to be all about, right? Courage.
must be nice to perch from your tree while others have your back
And how easy it is to dash of your little one liners and really have nothing of value to say.
You're right. My one liners are in jest and mean nothing.
Please sees my PM so we can move past this. Thanks.
No no no. Look I think your the man brialux, but you scolded PJ out in the open and now you have to grovel in the open....cmon this place is dead. Give us a good apology. Something like John Clease when he was being dangled out a window in A fish called Wanda.
I remember when, yeah. I swore I knew everything, oh yeah.
Moore's comment that snipers are cowards was silly, at worst. They are a practical and unavoidable tool used in warfare. The cowards are the politicians in Washington "writing cheques that others' pay".
I'll add Canada as well.....Harper is such a coward. Apparently he ran off to hide in a closet when that deranged gunman killed that soldier in cold blood then slithered into parliament looking to grease his Prime Wennieness.
Sorry, but as I understand it, Harper wasn't really given a choice by the RCMP, the same as the Secret Service would do with their President (and rightly so, this was hardly White House Down, or whichever movie it was).
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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Oh please Brian, step off your pedestal. People have said far worse about others here, and I'm not addressing a single poster here.
Way to have respect for a day observed nationally to honor a man to have made a difference in the name of PEACE and rights for everyone. THAT'S what Brian is talking about. He's on no pedestal, you must be merely in need to point a finger somewhere, and you were told how it is.
I have to cop to this one, bsL12, cincy's call was good. It is true that others -probably all of us at one point- have said worse.
That said, I won't renege on anything else I've said here. It is so U.S. of us to glorify someone who sits in a tree (or whatever) and picks off people. I suppose I am guilty of reacting a bit too strongly... maybe... on this issue but six decades of watching the U.S. become more and more a warring nation I just can't stomach the guts 'n gory glory hallefuckinlujah posturing that defines so much of what we have become as a nation. And I am speaking in general terms here. I don't mean to single any one out here. It's the combined overall effect of a bloodthirsty, aggressive murderous position we have take as a whole that I rage against.
As for Michael Moore, yeah it's easy to criticize someone in the lime light and I'm sure he has his faults but he has the guts to speak his mind on issues that so many others back off from. It's a wonder he's still alive. I say, good for him and thanks for the courage to speak out. That is what this is supposed to be all about, right? Courage.
B, you know that even when we disagree, I think highly of you.
Sure, Moore can speak out - IS free to speak out. So is anyone else to do the same, to think he's a tool more often than not, to consider his "tweet" passive-aggressive with a side of back-pedaling. To consider him brave too.
What's good for the goose is good for that damned gander.
If someone in the limelight (and who isn't nowadays, what with social media?) has the so-called courage to make a statement, they and their supporters best be prepared to handle receiving differing opinions.
i saw american sniper today. i thought it was a great movie.
that said, i am conflicted.
personally, i think snipers are bullshit. cowardly. unethical. just like drone pilots. these guys hide, and shoot and risk less than the guys on the ground. but i get how snipers are necessary on the battlefield.
snipers are a symptom of the problem, with war being the problem.
i do not feel like we need to be glorifying people who killed 160+ people, including women and children, in an illegal war. but that is one man's opinion.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
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Oh please Brian, step off your pedestal. People have said far worse about others here, and I'm not addressing a single poster here.
Way to have respect for a day observed nationally to honor a man to have made a difference in the name of PEACE and rights for everyone. THAT'S what Brian is talking about. He's on no pedestal, you must be merely in need to point a finger somewhere, and you were told how it is.
I have to cop to this one, bsL12, cincy's call was good. It is true that others -probably all of us at one point- have said worse.
That said, I won't renege on anything else I've said here. It is so U.S. of us to glorify someone who sits in a tree (or whatever) and picks off people. I suppose I am guilty of reacting a bit too strongly... maybe... on this issue but six decades of watching the U.S. become more and more a warring nation I just can't stomach the guts 'n gory glory hallefuckinlujah posturing that defines so much of what we have become as a nation. And I am speaking in general terms here. I don't mean to single any one out here. It's the combined overall effect of a bloodthirsty, aggressive murderous position we have take as a whole that I rage against.
As for Michael Moore, yeah it's easy to criticize someone in the lime light and I'm sure he has his faults but he has the guts to speak his mind on issues that so many others back off from. It's a wonder he's still alive. I say, good for him and thanks for the courage to speak out. That is what this is supposed to be all about, right? Courage.
must be nice to perch from your tree while others have your back
And how easy it is to dash of your little one liners and really have nothing of value to say.
You're right. My one liners are in jest and mean nothing.
Please sees my PM so we can move past this. Thanks.
No no no. Look I think your the man brialux, but you scolded PJ out in the open and now you have to grovel in the open....cmon this place is dead. Give us a good apology. Something like John Clease when he was being dangled out a window in A fish called Wanda.
Both his and my comments add up to pathetically nothing or my name isn't Mr. Grisgmneithscblarchilshism.
Moore's comment that snipers are cowards was silly, at worst. They are a practical and unavoidable tool used in warfare. The cowards are the politicians in Washington "writing cheques that others' pay".
I'll add Canada as well.....Harper is such a coward. Apparently he ran off to hide in a closet when that deranged gunman killed that soldier in cold blood then slithered into parliament looking to grease his Prime Wennieness.
Sorry, but as I understand it, Harper wasn't really given a choice by the RCMP, the same as the Secret Service would do with their President (and rightly so, this was hardly White House Down, or whichever movie it was).
I heard a different version. I heard that he B-lined to that closet on his own. I'll see what mister Google has to say....wait one.
I remember when, yeah. I swore I knew everything, oh yeah.
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So...necessary but cowardly, revered pieces of shit?
Would you tell any of them (who've lived) that same thing face to face?
The film, and the book, haven't struck me as anything nearing glorification. More like showing one person's story, side, for better or worse.
Oh please Brian, step off your pedestal. People have said far worse about others here, and I'm not addressing a single poster here.
Way to have respect for a day observed nationally to honor a man to have made a difference in the name of PEACE and rights for everyone. THAT'S what Brian is talking about. He's on no pedestal, you must be merely in need to point a finger somewhere, and you were told how it is.
I have to cop to this one, bsL12, cincy's call was good. It is true that others -probably all of us at one point- have said worse.
That said, I won't renege on anything else I've said here. It is so U.S. of us to glorify someone who sits in a tree (or whatever) and picks off people. I suppose I am guilty of reacting a bit too strongly... maybe... on this issue but six decades of watching the U.S. become more and more a warring nation I just can't stomach the guts 'n gory glory hallefuckinlujah posturing that defines so much of what we have become as a nation. And I am speaking in general terms here. I don't mean to single any one out here. It's the combined overall effect of a bloodthirsty, aggressive murderous position we have take as a whole that I rage against.
As for Michael Moore, yeah it's easy to criticize someone in the lime light and I'm sure he has his faults but he has the guts to speak his mind on issues that so many others back off from. It's a wonder he's still alive. I say, good for him and thanks for the courage to speak out. That is what this is supposed to be all about, right? Courage.
must be nice to perch from your tree while others have your back
And how easy it is to dash of your little one liners and really have nothing of value to say.
You're right. My one liners are in jest and mean nothing.
Please sees my PM so we can move past this. Thanks.
No no no. Look I think your the man brialux, but you scolded PJ out in the open and now you have to grovel in the open....cmon this place is dead. Give us a good apology. Something like John Clease when he was being dangled out a window in A fish called Wanda.
Both his and my comments add up to pathetically nothing or my name isn't Mr. Grisgmneithscblarchilshism.
Not quite, lol...however when I googled "Harper closet Parliament shooting" the top articles that popped all reference Harper being "whisked into," "ushered" and "rushed" into the closet, making it clear to me that it wasn't entirely his choice, though it was an entirely appropriate action to take at the time.
That said, back to Michael Moore, I think, lol?
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
i saw american sniper today. i thought it was a great movie.
that said, i am conflicted.
personally, i think snipers are bullshit. cowardly. unethical. just like drone pilots. these guys hide, and shoot and risk less than the guys on the ground. but i get how snipers are necessary on the battlefield.
snipers are a symptom of the problem, with war being the problem.
i do not feel like we need to be glorifying people who killed 160+ people, including women and children, in an illegal war. but that is one man's opinion.
Did the movie come off as a glorification?
I remember when, yeah. I swore I knew everything, oh yeah.
It's not a glorification but the sniper is unapologetic. That's who he was in real life. To some that comes off as a glorification but again it is the telling of HIS story.
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You're right. My one liners are in jest and mean nothing.
Please sees my PM so we can move past this. Thanks.
OK, one last little hammer as I don't want to derail...will just say both my husband and I are smitten with her.
No no no. Look I think your the man brialux, but you scolded PJ out in the open and now you have to grovel in the open....cmon this place is dead. Give us a good apology. Something like John Clease when he was being dangled out a window in A fish called Wanda.
http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/221140/changing-the-pattern#latest
Sorry, but as I understand it, Harper wasn't really given a choice by the RCMP, the same as the Secret Service would do with their President (and rightly so, this was hardly White House Down, or whichever movie it was).
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
Sure, Moore can speak out - IS free to speak out. So is anyone else to do the same, to think he's a tool more often than not, to consider his "tweet" passive-aggressive with a side of back-pedaling. To consider him brave too.
What's good for the goose is good for that damned gander.
If someone in the limelight (and who isn't nowadays, what with social media?) has the so-called courage to make a statement, they and their supporters best be prepared to handle receiving differing opinions.
that said, i am conflicted.
personally, i think snipers are bullshit. cowardly. unethical. just like drone pilots. these guys hide, and shoot and risk less than the guys on the ground. but i get how snipers are necessary on the battlefield.
snipers are a symptom of the problem, with war being the problem.
i do not feel like we need to be glorifying people who killed 160+ people, including women and children, in an illegal war. but that is one man's opinion.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Both his and my comments add up to pathetically nothing or my name isn't Mr. Grisgmneithscblarchilshism.
Would you tell any of them (who've lived) that same thing face to face?
The film, and the book, haven't struck me as anything nearing glorification. More like showing one person's story, side, for better or worse.
the ends are the same. the means are the same.
only thing i can think of is the clothes.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/harper-says-he-reacted-as-trained-by-rcmp-during-hill-shooting
Regardless, I wouldn't want my Prime Minister acting like an action hero in the circumstances that were unfolding.
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
That said, back to Michael Moore, I think, lol?
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
Just down the road from you in Scarberia, lol. Clearly I'm a Conbot, you're not, lol.
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
Did the movie come off as a glorification?
You like Harper, or you are, like Harper, a Canadian? I'm confused. We'll sort out the civil liberties bit later.