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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 19,188
    It’s ok no he can’t help it , as long as things are getting done he should be allowed to lie at least 6 times a day like the folks who voted for him say , he’s not a politician he’s just learning on the job after all when was the last time your heard a career politician tell the truth? 
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 7,227
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Because their parents on the campaign trail asked Team Trump Treason to do something?
    Was that taken out of context or did he really say that?
    Besides that, it is great that remains are coming home.

    I linked the clip in a tweet a page or so ago. To hear it... you have to look at the soft blue suit orange man flap his lips and speak which is pretty nauseating... but it's worth it to get to the point where he flat out lies.

    He hasn't learned (or he simply doesn't care) that he can't lie without getting caught doing so. The funny thing is he's doing this as a president. Imagine how many lies he told as a slick, con man before his presidency (let alone the golf course where obviously- given his pathetic state of physicality- he couldn't shoot 95 from the whites without 2 or 3 mulligans at critical points of his round). 

    There's been a few defences of this man in recent days, but let's call a spade a spade- he's pathological. There can be no denying this.
    So he gets caught lying - so what? Given there are no ramifications, given that his agenda is to create policy which will generate more wealth for him and his family after his presidency - why should Donald Trump care that he is ‘caught’ lying?
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  • benjs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Because their parents on the campaign trail asked Team Trump Treason to do something?
    Was that taken out of context or did he really say that?
    Besides that, it is great that remains are coming home.

    I linked the clip in a tweet a page or so ago. To hear it... you have to look at the soft blue suit orange man flap his lips and speak which is pretty nauseating... but it's worth it to get to the point where he flat out lies.

    He hasn't learned (or he simply doesn't care) that he can't lie without getting caught doing so. The funny thing is he's doing this as a president. Imagine how many lies he told as a slick, con man before his presidency (let alone the golf course where obviously- given his pathetic state of physicality- he couldn't shoot 95 from the whites without 2 or 3 mulligans at critical points of his round). 

    There's been a few defences of this man in recent days, but let's call a spade a spade- he's pathological. There can be no denying this.
    So he gets caught lying - so what? Given there are no ramifications, given that his agenda is to create policy which will generate more wealth for him and his family after his presidency - why should Donald Trump care that he is ‘caught’ lying?

    I guess you're subscribing tp the notion that he doesn't care if he gets caught lying. I guess I'd probably be inclined to agree with you, but doing so is pretty telling of the situation in the US right now.

    His supporters seem much more intent on watching liberals pull their hair out than they do having their country run by an ethical leader.

    He doesn't have to worry about the consequences of his actions because it is becoming apparent he's like Teflon- everything will slide right off him.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 8,365
    edited June 16
    The problem is that you're friend Donald Trump has gamed a system that is based on an "honor system".

    Without any honor, and having voters/supporters that are to stupid/ignorant to care -- he can just keep on trucking with his 35-38% approval and politicians falling in line no matter what.

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 9,342
    mcgruff10 said:
    Because their parents on the campaign trail asked Team Trump Treason to do something?
    So tell me, how is this bad?

    The repatriation isn't bad, but it seems unlikely that parents actually asked Trump to do this on the campaign trail, as he claims. Who knows? Almost everything out of his mouth is a lie, so it's hard to tell. 
    Oh, ok.  I misunderstood.
    Here’s the long form explanation. Essentially, Trump has claimed that “thousands” of parents asked him to facilitate repatriation of their children’s remains. Said parents would have to be, at a minimum, over 100 years old. 

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/politics/wp/2018/06/14/its-not-very-likely-that-parents-of-korean-war-veterans-asked-trump-to-repatriate-their-children/
     
    As soon as I heard this, I was astounded.  My father fought in Korea.  Were he alive today, he'd be 92.  His mother would be 130.  
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,326
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Because their parents on the campaign trail asked Team Trump Treason to do something?
    So tell me, how is this bad?

    The repatriation isn't bad, but it seems unlikely that parents actually asked Trump to do this on the campaign trail, as he claims. Who knows? Almost everything out of his mouth is a lie, so it's hard to tell. 
    Oh, ok.  I misunderstood.
    Here’s the long form explanation. Essentially, Trump has claimed that “thousands” of parents asked him to facilitate repatriation of their children’s remains. Said parents would have to be, at a minimum, over 100 years old. 

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/politics/wp/2018/06/14/its-not-very-likely-that-parents-of-korean-war-veterans-asked-trump-to-repatriate-their-children/
     
    As soon as I heard this, I was astounded.  My father fought in Korea.  Were he alive today, he'd be 92.  His mother would be 130.  
    Scarier still is that there are Team Trump Treason supporters who believe it and repeat it.
     
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  • mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Because their parents on the campaign trail asked Team Trump Treason to do something?
    So tell me, how is this bad?

    The repatriation isn't bad, but it seems unlikely that parents actually asked Trump to do this on the campaign trail, as he claims. Who knows? Almost everything out of his mouth is a lie, so it's hard to tell. 
    Oh, ok.  I misunderstood.
    Here’s the long form explanation. Essentially, Trump has claimed that “thousands” of parents asked him to facilitate repatriation of their children’s remains. Said parents would have to be, at a minimum, over 100 years old. 

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/politics/wp/2018/06/14/its-not-very-likely-that-parents-of-korean-war-veterans-asked-trump-to-repatriate-their-children/
     
    As soon as I heard this, I was astounded.  My father fought in Korea.  Were he alive today, he'd be 92.  His mother would be 130.  
    Scarier still is that there are Team Trump Treason supporters who believe it and repeat it.
     

    The shit he spews from his mouth... with his lackeys eagerly lapping it up and looking for more is unbelievable.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 14,971
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Because their parents on the campaign trail asked Team Trump Treason to do something?
    So tell me, how is this bad?

    The repatriation isn't bad, but it seems unlikely that parents actually asked Trump to do this on the campaign trail, as he claims. Who knows? Almost everything out of his mouth is a lie, so it's hard to tell. 
    Oh, ok.  I misunderstood.
    Here’s the long form explanation. Essentially, Trump has claimed that “thousands” of parents asked him to facilitate repatriation of their children’s remains. Said parents would have to be, at a minimum, over 100 years old. 

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/politics/wp/2018/06/14/its-not-very-likely-that-parents-of-korean-war-veterans-asked-trump-to-repatriate-their-children/
     
    As soon as I heard this, I was astounded.  My father fought in Korea.  Were he alive today, he'd be 92.  His mother would be 130.  
    Scarier still is that there are Team Trump Treason supporters who believe it and repeat it.
     

    The shit he spews from his mouth... with his lackeys eagerly lapping it up and looking for more is unbelievable.
    There are people here that voted for him that openly state they are impressed by him so far... so its more than lackeys
  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 12,400
    PJ_Soul said:
    Yeah, this is normal. :weary:
    What. The. Fuck.

    https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/qvnn8w/watch-the-fake-movie-trailer-the-white-house-made-for-kim-jong-un

    Watch the fake movie trailer the White House made for Kim Jong Un (yes, really)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=18&v=A838gS8nwas




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  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 12,400
    PJ_Soul said:
    The occasion got to Dennis Rodman...



    LOL!
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,326
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  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 12,400
    Probably going as good as Trump's Nobel Peace Prize.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 8,165

    So requiring verification is now "insulting and ludicrous"? That bodes well for the process of denuclearization. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,326
    Anyone remember North Korea? No Un?
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,231
    Anyone remember North Korea? No Un?
    America hasn't been nuked yet, I guess the meeting worked, lol.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,247
    Whens the last time Un has lobbed a missile over Japan ... that should be the measure of success.  If he stops lobbing missile over our allies then the meetings are successful.  I suspect the Japanese people are happy.  North Americans are typical ass clowns always looking to be a winner, instead of being happy that maybe people in the Korean peninsula can live peacefully.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,326
    Whens the last time Un has lobbed a missile over Japan ... that should be the measure of success.  If he stops lobbing missile over our allies then the meetings are successful.  I suspect the Japanese people are happy.  North Americans are typical ass clowns always looking to be a winner, instead of being happy that maybe people in the Korean peninsula can live peacefully.
    Don’t count your chickens until they hatch. Pompeo has now said there’s no timeline for negotiations or denuclearization. Seems all of the bluster from Team Trump Treason was mostly about pomp and circumstance. Hey but there’s a shiny gold collectors coin.

    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/north-korea-says-to-ignore-japan-until-it-scraps-military-drills--other-measures-10467620
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,247
    Whens the last time Un has lobbed a missile over Japan ... that should be the measure of success.  If he stops lobbing missile over our allies then the meetings are successful.  I suspect the Japanese people are happy.  North Americans are typical ass clowns always looking to be a winner, instead of being happy that maybe people in the Korean peninsula can live peacefully.
    Don’t count your chickens until they hatch. Pompeo has now said there’s no timeline for negotiations or denuclearization. Seems all of the bluster from Team Trump Treason was mostly about pomp and circumstance. Hey but there’s a shiny gold collectors coin.

    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/north-korea-says-to-ignore-japan-until-it-scraps-military-drills--other-measures-10467620
    Dis you actually think one meeting was going to be enough?  I'd rather them try this approach than ramp up military operations... 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 15,060
    Whens the last time Un has lobbed a missile over Japan ... that should be the measure of success.  If he stops lobbing missile over our allies then the meetings are successful.  I suspect the Japanese people are happy.  North Americans are typical ass clowns always looking to be a winner, instead of being happy that maybe people in the Korean peninsula can live peacefully.
    Don’t count your chickens until they hatch. Pompeo has now said there’s no timeline for negotiations or denuclearization. Seems all of the bluster from Team Trump Treason was mostly about pomp and circumstance. Hey but there’s a shiny gold collectors coin.

    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/north-korea-says-to-ignore-japan-until-it-scraps-military-drills--other-measures-10467620
    Dis you actually think one meeting was going to be enough?  I'd rather them try this approach than ramp up military operations... 
    no. that was the impression that DT was trying to push to his supporters. and they bought it. 
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,247
    Whens the last time Un has lobbed a missile over Japan ... that should be the measure of success.  If he stops lobbing missile over our allies then the meetings are successful.  I suspect the Japanese people are happy.  North Americans are typical ass clowns always looking to be a winner, instead of being happy that maybe people in the Korean peninsula can live peacefully.
    Don’t count your chickens until they hatch. Pompeo has now said there’s no timeline for negotiations or denuclearization. Seems all of the bluster from Team Trump Treason was mostly about pomp and circumstance. Hey but there’s a shiny gold collectors coin.

    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/north-korea-says-to-ignore-japan-until-it-scraps-military-drills--other-measures-10467620
    Dis you actually think one meeting was going to be enough?  I'd rather them try this approach than ramp up military operations... 
    no. that was the impression that DT was trying to push to his supporters. and they bought it. 
    I don't really care what Trump pushes ... as long as south and North Korea are talking. That's good.  Politicians lie constantly and supporters on all side buy into their BS.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 9,342
    Whens the last time Un has lobbed a missile over Japan ... that should be the measure of success.  If he stops lobbing missile over our allies then the meetings are successful.  I suspect the Japanese people are happy.  North Americans are typical ass clowns always looking to be a winner, instead of being happy that maybe people in the Korean peninsula can live peacefully.
    Don’t count your chickens until they hatch. Pompeo has now said there’s no timeline for negotiations or denuclearization. Seems all of the bluster from Team Trump Treason was mostly about pomp and circumstance. Hey but there’s a shiny gold collectors coin.

    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/north-korea-says-to-ignore-japan-until-it-scraps-military-drills--other-measures-10467620
    Dis you actually think one meeting was going to be enough?  I'd rather them try this approach than ramp up military operations... 
    no. that was the impression that DT was trying to push to his supporters. and they bought it. 
    I don't really care what Trump pushes ... as long as south and North Korea are talking. That's good.  Politicians lie constantly and supporters on all side buy into their BS.
    The President of the United States declared that North Korea is no longer a threat.  Words mean something when the POTUS says them, at least they used to.  I'm going to fight this "post truth" era as hard as I can and not just say "meh".  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 15,060
    Whens the last time Un has lobbed a missile over Japan ... that should be the measure of success.  If he stops lobbing missile over our allies then the meetings are successful.  I suspect the Japanese people are happy.  North Americans are typical ass clowns always looking to be a winner, instead of being happy that maybe people in the Korean peninsula can live peacefully.
    Don’t count your chickens until they hatch. Pompeo has now said there’s no timeline for negotiations or denuclearization. Seems all of the bluster from Team Trump Treason was mostly about pomp and circumstance. Hey but there’s a shiny gold collectors coin.

    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/north-korea-says-to-ignore-japan-until-it-scraps-military-drills--other-measures-10467620
    Dis you actually think one meeting was going to be enough?  I'd rather them try this approach than ramp up military operations... 
    no. that was the impression that DT was trying to push to his supporters. and they bought it. 
    I don't really care what Trump pushes ... as long as south and North Korea are talking. That's good.  Politicians lie constantly and supporters on all side buy into their BS.
    I was answering your question about whether halifax thought one meeting was going to be enough. 
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,247
    mrussel1 said:
    Whens the last time Un has lobbed a missile over Japan ... that should be the measure of success.  If he stops lobbing missile over our allies then the meetings are successful.  I suspect the Japanese people are happy.  North Americans are typical ass clowns always looking to be a winner, instead of being happy that maybe people in the Korean peninsula can live peacefully.
    Don’t count your chickens until they hatch. Pompeo has now said there’s no timeline for negotiations or denuclearization. Seems all of the bluster from Team Trump Treason was mostly about pomp and circumstance. Hey but there’s a shiny gold collectors coin.

    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/north-korea-says-to-ignore-japan-until-it-scraps-military-drills--other-measures-10467620
    Dis you actually think one meeting was going to be enough?  I'd rather them try this approach than ramp up military operations... 
    no. that was the impression that DT was trying to push to his supporters. and they bought it. 
    I don't really care what Trump pushes ... as long as south and North Korea are talking. That's good.  Politicians lie constantly and supporters on all side buy into their BS.
    The President of the United States declared that North Korea is no longer a threat.  Words mean something when the POTUS says them, at least they used to.  I'm going to fight this "post truth" era as hard as I can and not just say "meh".  
    I really don't pay that much attention to Trump ... I tend to think South Korea will be more instrumental in things moving forward...I hope eventually family reunification will happen.  I prefer dialogue as opposed to threats.  
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,247

    Whens the last time Un has lobbed a missile over Japan ... that should be the measure of success.  If he stops lobbing missile over our allies then the meetings are successful.  I suspect the Japanese people are happy.  North Americans are typical ass clowns always looking to be a winner, instead of being happy that maybe people in the Korean peninsula can live peacefully.
    Don’t count your chickens until they hatch. Pompeo has now said there’s no timeline for negotiations or denuclearization. Seems all of the bluster from Team Trump Treason was mostly about pomp and circumstance. Hey but there’s a shiny gold collectors coin.

    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/north-korea-says-to-ignore-japan-until-it-scraps-military-drills--other-measures-10467620
    Dis you actually think one meeting was going to be enough?  I'd rather them try this approach than ramp up military operations... 
    no. that was the impression that DT was trying to push to his supporters. and they bought it. 
    I don't really care what Trump pushes ... as long as south and North Korea are talking. That's good.  Politicians lie constantly and supporters on all side buy into their BS.
    I was answering your question about whether halifax thought one meeting was going to be enough. 
    I do realize that.  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 9,342
    mrussel1 said:
    Whens the last time Un has lobbed a missile over Japan ... that should be the measure of success.  If he stops lobbing missile over our allies then the meetings are successful.  I suspect the Japanese people are happy.  North Americans are typical ass clowns always looking to be a winner, instead of being happy that maybe people in the Korean peninsula can live peacefully.
    Don’t count your chickens until they hatch. Pompeo has now said there’s no timeline for negotiations or denuclearization. Seems all of the bluster from Team Trump Treason was mostly about pomp and circumstance. Hey but there’s a shiny gold collectors coin.

    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/north-korea-says-to-ignore-japan-until-it-scraps-military-drills--other-measures-10467620
    Dis you actually think one meeting was going to be enough?  I'd rather them try this approach than ramp up military operations... 
    no. that was the impression that DT was trying to push to his supporters. and they bought it. 
    I don't really care what Trump pushes ... as long as south and North Korea are talking. That's good.  Politicians lie constantly and supporters on all side buy into their BS.
    The President of the United States declared that North Korea is no longer a threat.  Words mean something when the POTUS says them, at least they used to.  I'm going to fight this "post truth" era as hard as I can and not just say "meh".  
    I really don't pay that much attention to Trump ... I tend to think South Korea will be more instrumental in things moving forward...I hope eventually family reunification will happen.  I prefer dialogue as opposed to threats.  
    Sure agreed.  I'm very cynical about NK giving up their nuclear warheads.  It doesn't make any sense for them to do that.  Only one country in history has done so and that was S. Africa, when the Apartheid regime handed over control to the ANC.  Why in the world would Un ever do it?  So Trump has created this bar that I believe is unattainable, using his giant lying mouth.  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 9,342
    Here's a nicely distilled summary that says it all about Trump and his "deals".  It's from the American Conservative.  Pretty easy to see the pattern between NK, Canada, Germany, etc.

    Trump fails to make deals with other states so often because he usually makes unreasonable demands. However, the bigger problem is that he won’t accept compromises because he equates them with being “ripped off.” He won’t settle for less than the other side’s capitulation, and so he always ends up with nothing. Trump views international relations primarily in terms of asserting dominance, and so he feels the need to pick fights with one or more states on a regular basis. Foreign leaders that flatter and praise him personally are left alone, while those that disagree with the substance of administration policies are subjected to insults and punitive measures.

    If Trump reaches a vague understanding with a foreign leader who makes him feel important, he considers that to be far superior to agreements worked out by his predecessors through years of painstaking negotiations. He will happily renege on the latter while pretending that the former is a huge success. These reactions have nothing to do with discernible American national interests, but are based on whether the president feels personally insulted or thinks he needs to lash out to show “strength.”

    The other reason why Trump is so bad at striking deals with other governments is that he is mainly concerned with pandering to domestic constituencies rather than reaching an agreement with other leaders. Trump would much prefer to demagogue an issue and take reckless unilateral actions regardless of the costs to the U.S. All of this is obviously incompatible with building constructive relationships with other governments, and it makes those governments less likely to trust or cooperate with the U.S. on a range of issues.

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,326
    mrussel1 said:
    Here's a nicely distilled summary that says it all about Trump and his "deals".  It's from the American Conservative.  Pretty easy to see the pattern between NK, Canada, Germany, etc.

    Trump fails to make deals with other states so often because he usually makes unreasonable demands. However, the bigger problem is that he won’t accept compromises because he equates them with being “ripped off.” He won’t settle for less than the other side’s capitulation, and so he always ends up with nothing. Trump views international relations primarily in terms of asserting dominance, and so he feels the need to pick fights with one or more states on a regular basis. Foreign leaders that flatter and praise him personally are left alone, while those that disagree with the substance of administration policies are subjected to insults and punitive measures.

    If Trump reaches a vague understanding with a foreign leader who makes him feel important, he considers that to be far superior to agreements worked out by his predecessors through years of painstaking negotiations. He will happily renege on the latter while pretending that the former is a huge success. These reactions have nothing to do with discernible American national interests, but are based on whether the president feels personally insulted or thinks he needs to lash out to show “strength.”

    The other reason why Trump is so bad at striking deals with other governments is that he is mainly concerned with pandering to domestic constituencies rather than reaching an agreement with other leaders. Trump would much prefer to demagogue an issue and take reckless unilateral actions regardless of the costs to the U.S. All of this is obviously incompatible with building constructive relationships with other governments, and it makes those governments less likely to trust or cooperate with the U.S. on a range of issues.

    No wonder the King of Jordan said Team Trump Treason was full of humility and grace. More like full of shit and...............
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,247
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Whens the last time Un has lobbed a missile over Japan ... that should be the measure of success.  If he stops lobbing missile over our allies then the meetings are successful.  I suspect the Japanese people are happy.  North Americans are typical ass clowns always looking to be a winner, instead of being happy that maybe people in the Korean peninsula can live peacefully.
    Don’t count your chickens until they hatch. Pompeo has now said there’s no timeline for negotiations or denuclearization. Seems all of the bluster from Team Trump Treason was mostly about pomp and circumstance. Hey but there’s a shiny gold collectors coin.

    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/north-korea-says-to-ignore-japan-until-it-scraps-military-drills--other-measures-10467620
    Dis you actually think one meeting was going to be enough?  I'd rather them try this approach than ramp up military operations... 
    no. that was the impression that DT was trying to push to his supporters. and they bought it. 
    I don't really care what Trump pushes ... as long as south and North Korea are talking. That's good.  Politicians lie constantly and supporters on all side buy into their BS.
    The President of the United States declared that North Korea is no longer a threat.  Words mean something when the POTUS says them, at least they used to.  I'm going to fight this "post truth" era as hard as I can and not just say "meh".  
    I really don't pay that much attention to Trump ... I tend to think South Korea will be more instrumental in things moving forward...I hope eventually family reunification will happen.  I prefer dialogue as opposed to threats.  
    Sure agreed.  I'm very cynical about NK giving up their nuclear warheads.  It doesn't make any sense for them to do that.  Only one country in history has done so and that was S. Africa, when the Apartheid regime handed over control to the ANC.  Why in the world would Un ever do it?  So Trump has created this bar that I believe is unattainable, using his giant lying mouth.  
    I do not expect them to give them up.  I would like to think the people's of the region don't feel as threatened.  
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