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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 10,598
    Yes, quite the surprising development.  Why would we expect something that has happened for 60 years straight to happen again?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 18,404
    Suckers.
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  • Kev - Coat and KeysKev - Coat and Keys EarthPosts: 351
    So am I right in thinking nothing has actually changed with NK apart from a lovely photo and niceties between the leaders (which could lead to some better diplomacy).
    But we are all supposed to be positive about things because Trump... 
    Hopefully his Trade Wars are the only ones America will lose.

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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 4,288
    Kev - Coat and Keys said:
    So am I right in thinking nothing has actually changed with NK apart from a lovely photo and niceties between the leaders (which could lead to some better diplomacy).
    But we are all supposed to be positive about things because Trump... 
    Hopefully his Trade Wars are the only ones America will lose.

    When was the last missile lobbed over Japan by NK ... that is progress.   You think NK is just going to do an about face over night ...
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 10,598
    Meltdown99 said:
    Kev - Coat and Keys said:
    So am I right in thinking nothing has actually changed with NK apart from a lovely photo and niceties between the leaders (which could lead to some better diplomacy).
    But we are all supposed to be positive about things because Trump... 
    Hopefully his Trade Wars are the only ones America will lose.

    When was the last missile lobbed over Japan by NK ... that is progress.   You think NK is just going to do an about face over night ...
    NK has suspended testing and development several times in the past.  There were five deals written, ready to be signed from 1988 until 2012, covering every single president.  Not one of them was signed.  You'll have to excuse the cynics among us that think that Un would sign a deal not ratified by the Senate, when he can look at the Libya model and the Iran model to as the most recent precedent.  
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 4,288
    edited June 2018
    mrussel1 said:
    So am I right in thinking nothing has actually changed with NK apart from a lovely photo and niceties between the leaders (which could lead to some better diplomacy).
    But we are all supposed to be positive about things because Trump... 
    Hopefully his Trade Wars are the only ones America will lose.

    When was the last missile lobbed over Japan by NK ... that is progress.   You think NK is just going to do an about face over night ...
    NK has suspended testing and development several times in the past.  There were five deals written, ready to be signed from 1988 until 2012, covering every single president.  Not one of them was signed.  You'll have to excuse the cynics among us that think that Un would sign a deal not ratified by the Senate, when he can look at the Libya model and the Iran model to as the most recent precedent.  
    I'm sure if they violate what is expected out of them that can be addressed at the time.  No bigger cynic on the planet than me, so certainly understand.  In this instance I hope it holds.  Besides SK is more responsible for getting things to this point I think.  Maybe it's more important the 2 Koreas are at least making an attempt.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 10,598
    I completely agree with you there, about SK being the driver.
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 4,288
    mrussel1 said:
    I completely agree with you there, about SK being the driver.
    All we can do is give it a chance, and a little hope doesn't hurt.  And with SK as the driver, temperamental Trump may not be as influential in the region.
  • NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 2,604
    Meltdown99 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    So am I right in thinking nothing has actually changed with NK apart from a lovely photo and niceties between the leaders (which could lead to some better diplomacy).
    But we are all supposed to be positive about things because Trump... 
    Hopefully his Trade Wars are the only ones America will lose.

    When was the last missile lobbed over Japan by NK ... that is progress.   You think NK is just going to do an about face over night ...
    NK has suspended testing and development several times in the past.  There were five deals written, ready to be signed from 1988 until 2012, covering every single president.  Not one of them was signed.  You'll have to excuse the cynics among us that think that Un would sign a deal not ratified by the Senate, when he can look at the Libya model and the Iran model to as the most recent precedent.  
    I'm sure if they violate what is expected out of them that can be addressed at the time.  No bigger cynic on the planet than me, so certainly understand.  In this instance I hope it holds.  Besides SK is more responsible for getting things to this point I think.  Maybe it's more important the 2 Koreas are at least making an attempt.
    Libya and iran didn't violate 
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 4,288
    NewJPage said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    So am I right in thinking nothing has actually changed with NK apart from a lovely photo and niceties between the leaders (which could lead to some better diplomacy).
    But we are all supposed to be positive about things because Trump... 
    Hopefully his Trade Wars are the only ones America will lose.

    When was the last missile lobbed over Japan by NK ... that is progress.   You think NK is just going to do an about face over night ...
    NK has suspended testing and development several times in the past.  There were five deals written, ready to be signed from 1988 until 2012, covering every single president.  Not one of them was signed.  You'll have to excuse the cynics among us that think that Un would sign a deal not ratified by the Senate, when he can look at the Libya model and the Iran model to as the most recent precedent.  
    I'm sure if they violate what is expected out of them that can be addressed at the time.  No bigger cynic on the planet than me, so certainly understand.  In this instance I hope it holds.  Besides SK is more responsible for getting things to this point I think.  Maybe it's more important the 2 Koreas are at least making an attempt.
    Libya and iran didn't violate 
    As long as SK is leading it might be different ... 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 18,404
    So, apparently the very honorable Un and North Korea have no intention of giving up their nukes and are actively trying to deceive the US on its nuclear activities, according to US intelligence and despite Team Trump Treason’s stated alternative universe. Pretext for war? Or Team Trump Treason is a complete idiot? Suckers.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 10,598
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    So, apparently the very honorable Un and North Korea have no intention of giving up their nukes and are actively trying to deceive the US on its nuclear activities, according to US intelligence and despite Team Trump Treason’s stated alternative universe. Pretext for war? Or Team Trump Treason is a complete idiot? Suckers.
    Well the whole thing is really hilarious, when you think about it.  Trump personally escalates a war of words with Kim, giving him a nickname and harassing him on twitter.  Then he makes a big show out of going over there and having "peace" talks, declares victory and goes home.  It was all theater, from the very start of the escalation.  But nothing has changed.  It's pathetic.  
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 4,288
    Kim Jong Un Offers to Host Peace Talks Between United States and Canada

    https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/kim-jong-un-offers-to-host-peace-talks-between-united-states-and-canada

    LMFAO....
  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 13,156
    Meltdown99 said:
    Kim Jong Un Offers to Host Peace Talks Between United States and Canada

    https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/kim-jong-un-offers-to-host-peace-talks-between-united-states-and-canada

    LMFAO....
    Shit just gets more bizarre.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 18,404
    Yup, problem solved.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/07/politics/mike-pompeo-north-korea-nuclear-talks/index.html
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 20,221
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Yup, problem solved.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/07/politics/mike-pompeo-north-korea-nuclear-talks/index.html
    Fooled again this Baffoon really believed Kim !
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 20,221
    Pompeo's North Korea meeting went 'as badly as it could have gone' - CNN Politics https://apple.news/AQPwR7kDcQaCG9vCayjo0eQ
    Yeah such great negotiators this administration has hired ...
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 18,404
    They de-nuclearized yet? 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,996
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    They de-nuclearized yet? 
    Could be, or maybe it's just that Jong-un is too busy pouting because is Big Orange Bubby is giving all the attention to Vladi Putty.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 4,288
    edited July 2018
    The North Korean leader is more stable than POTUS ... let that sink in.

    Well it probably already has...
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,996
    Meltdown99 said:
    The North Korean leader is more stable than POTUS ... let that sink in.

    Well it probably already has...
    Scary thought!  (But may well be true!)
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 16,249
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    The North Korean leader is more stable than POTUS ... let that sink in.

    Well it probably already has...
    Scary thought!  (But may well be true!)
    Its 100% true
  • dignindignin Posts: 6,736
    So......

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/kims-still-got-his-nukes-and-hasnt-returned-our-heroes
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 45,260
    edited July 2018
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-spy-agencies-north-korea-is-working-on-new-missiles/2018/07/30/b3542696-940d-11e8-a679-b09212fb69c2_story.html?utm_term=.574963e1bdba&wpisrc=al_news__alert-world--alert-national&wpmk=1

    U.S. spy agencies: North Korea is working on new missiles


    So much winning.
    Sad. :tongue:


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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 18,404
    PJ_Soul said:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-spy-agencies-north-korea-is-working-on-new-missiles/2018/07/30/b3542696-940d-11e8-a679-b09212fb69c2_story.html?utm_term=.574963e1bdba&wpisrc=al_news__alert-world--alert-national&wpmk=1

    U.S. spy agencies: North Korea is working on new missiles


    So much winning.
    Sad. :tongue:


    And now he wants to win with Iran? Yea right, Rick fucking Perry trying to advise versus the previous administration’s MIT connected secretary of energy. What a complete joke.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 6,736
    PJ_Soul said:
    Kim meant to say he "would" build new missiles, not that he "wouldn't."  - stolen from a reddit comment
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,996
    Hi! said:

    Shoulda just stick with your better game, brother.
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