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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 9,705
    And we wonder why our politicians can't get along and compromise.  If you disagree with a politician we tell the to f off. ;)
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 3,658
    And we wonder why our politicians can't get along and compromise.  If you disagree with a politician we tell the to f off. ;)
    We tried compromise, it when like this

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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 24,157
    And we wonder why our politicians can't get along and compromise.  If you disagree with a politician we tell the to f off. ;)
    I agree.  Even if someone is solidly firm on an issue and sees no reason to compromise that still is no excuse to tell the other guy to f off. 

    I was thinking about this today: About 10 years ago (or so) climate activist Bill McKibben interviewed John McCain.  McKibben was impressed by how much McCain showed concern for climate issues and suggested that we would do well to acknowledge McCain's concerns.  But many on the left have dismissed McCain outright and some have gone as far as to say "f off, McCain".  Not a good move in my opinion.  Had more of those on the left given kudos to McCain for his concern, perhaps he and maybe even other Republicans would have followed suit. 

    I told some people here to f themselves for voting for Trump.  I still think the same of Trump as I did then, and am now even more against him , but telling people to f off was wrong and I banned myself from these forums for that egregious act. Saying f off is a cop out and a cheap shot. 


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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,313
    edited May 11
    When I die, you're all un-invited to to my funeral! I"ll let Sea but no Kat or any other poster on here: no way, not allowed! I just wanna go on record. Thank you good night




    “I used to spend a lot of time in this room...back when it was a shit hole and I was a shit head.”
    big·otˈbiɡət/ noun: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 18,942
    JC29856 said:
    When I die, you're all un-invited to to my funeral! I"ll let Sea but no Kat or any other poster on here: no way, not allowed! I just wanna go on record. Thank you good night




    Nice to just kick dirt on a dying man you must be proud !
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,313
    JC29856 said:
    When I die, you're all un-invited to to my funeral! I"ll let Sea but no Kat or any other poster on here: no way, not allowed! I just wanna go on record. Thank you good night




    Nice to just kick dirt on a dying man you must be proud !
    I look at it this way, better to kick dirt on the dying than carpet bomb the living.
    “I used to spend a lot of time in this room...back when it was a shit hole and I was a shit head.”
    big·otˈbiɡət/ noun: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 18,942
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    When I die, you're all un-invited to to my funeral! I"ll let Sea but no Kat or any other poster on here: no way, not allowed! I just wanna go on record. Thank you good night




    Nice to just kick dirt on a dying man you must be proud !
    I look at it this way, better to kick dirt on the dying than carpet bomb the living.
    Hey as long as you can look in the mirror and know you would sacrifice just as much as him if you had too !
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,313
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    When I die, you're all un-invited to to my funeral! I"ll let Sea but no Kat or any other poster on here: no way, not allowed! I just wanna go on record. Thank you good night




    Nice to just kick dirt on a dying man you must be proud !
    I look at it this way, better to kick dirt on the dying than carpet bomb the living.
    Hey as long as you can look in the mirror and know you would sacrifice just as much as him if you had too !
    I cant look in the mirror and "sacrifice" as many innocents as he did, he does have me there.
    how many were sacrificed at his alter? 10 100 1000 10000?
    “I used to spend a lot of time in this room...back when it was a shit hole and I was a shit head.”
    big·otˈbiɡət/ noun: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 14,724
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    When I die, you're all un-invited to to my funeral! I"ll let Sea but no Kat or any other poster on here: no way, not allowed! I just wanna go on record. Thank you good night




    Nice to just kick dirt on a dying man you must be proud !
    I look at it this way, better to kick dirt on the dying than carpet bomb the living.
    Hey as long as you can look in the mirror and know you would sacrifice just as much as him if you had too !
    I cant look in the mirror and "sacrifice" as many innocents as he did, he does have me there.
    how many were sacrificed at his alter? 10 100 1000 10000?
    You pay your taxes? 

  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,313
    why bother?




    “I used to spend a lot of time in this room...back when it was a shit hole and I was a shit head.”
    big·otˈbiɡət/ noun: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • dignindignin Posts: 6,213
    JC29856 said:
    why bother?




    Sniff, sniff.....that smells like desperation and has nothing to do with McCain.
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,313
    dignin said:
    JC29856 said:
    why bother?




    Sniff, sniff.....that smells like desperation and has nothing to do with McCain.
    I was thinking the same (what do my taxes have to do with songbirdie?)
    “I used to spend a lot of time in this room...back when it was a shit hole and I was a shit head.”
    big·otˈbiɡət/ noun: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 14,575
    JC29856 said:
    dignin said:
    JC29856 said:
    why bother?




    Sniff, sniff.....that smells like desperation and has nothing to do with McCain.
    I was thinking the same (what do my taxes have to do with songbirdie?)
    Really? You don’t get the connection? Oh right, despite the fun, connecting dots is a challenge for some.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 18,942
    my2hands said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    When I die, you're all un-invited to to my funeral! I"ll let Sea but no Kat or any other poster on here: no way, not allowed! I just wanna go on record. Thank you good night




    Nice to just kick dirt on a dying man you must be proud !
    I look at it this way, better to kick dirt on the dying than carpet bomb the living.
    Hey as long as you can look in the mirror and know you would sacrifice just as much as him if you had too !
    I cant look in the mirror and "sacrifice" as many innocents as he did, he does have me there.
    how many were sacrificed at his alter? 10 100 1000 10000?
    You pay your taxes? 

    He enjoys every right afforded an American citizen like kicking dirt on dying war hero , even tonight he can order out some pizzagate with extra cheese and eat it too !
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 14,724
    JC29856 said:
    dignin said:
    JC29856 said:
    why bother?




    Sniff, sniff.....that smells like desperation and has nothing to do with McCain.
    I was thinking the same (what do my taxes have to do with songbirdie?)
    You seem to be devaluing John McCain and the fight for his life because he was a soldier in a war and killed people...

    Meanwhile you pay for the slaughter via your taxes just like everyone else... maybe take another look in that mirror, comrade

    You financed Shock & Awe whether you like it or not

    Or maybe, just try having some fucking class
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,313
    my2hands said:
    JC29856 said:
    dignin said:
    JC29856 said:
    why bother?




    Sniff, sniff.....that smells like desperation and has nothing to do with McCain.
    I was thinking the same (what do my taxes have to do with songbirdie?)
    You seem to be devaluing John McCain and the fight for his life because he was a soldier in a war and killed people...

    Meanwhile you pay for the slaughter via your taxes just like everyone else... maybe take another look in that mirror, comrade

    You financed Shock & Awe whether you like it or not

    Or maybe, just try having some fucking class
    Speaking of "class" and "poor judgement" what does Carole Shepp the 3 kids and Charles Humphrey Keating Jr have to add to the discussion?
    “I used to spend a lot of time in this room...back when it was a shit hole and I was a shit head.”
    big·otˈbiɡət/ noun: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 18,942
    Hey mods can you consolidate these two threads , thanks 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere.Posts: 3,384
    JC29856 said:
    When I die, you're all un-invited to to my funeral! I"ll let Sea but no Kat or any other poster on here: no way, not allowed! I just wanna go on record. Thank you good night


    I respect your decision and hope you have a fantastic afterlife. :) 


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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,313
    Kat said:
    JC29856 said:
    When I die, you're all un-invited to to my funeral! I"ll let Sea but no Kat or any other poster on here: no way, not allowed! I just wanna go on record. Thank you good night


    I respect your decision and hope you have a fantastic afterlife. :) 


    I wanted to be the second person in the history of mankind to publicly un-invite someone to my funeral.
    Someday you may perusing the obituaries and find my picture (BELOW), don't say a prayer, save it til the morning after.

    “I used to spend a lot of time in this room...back when it was a shit hole and I was a shit head.”
    big·otˈbiɡət/ noun: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,313
    https://www.theinvestigativefund.org/investigation/2008/10/06/mccain-pow-cover/

    McCain and the POW Cover-up

    John McCain never misses an opportunity to tout his Vietnam POW credentials. Then why did he help suppress a real investigation into evidence of POWs left behind?

    6. On November 11, 1992, Dolores Alfond, the sister of missing airman Capt. Victor Apodaca and chair of the National Alliance of Families, an organization of relatives of POW/MIAs, testified at one of the Senate committee's public hearings. She asked for information about data the government had gathered from electronic devices used in a classified program known as PAVE SPIKE.

    The devices were motion sensors, dropped by air, designed to pick up enemy troop movements. Shaped on one end like a spike with an electronic pod and antenna on top, they were designed to stick in the ground as they fell. Air Force planes would drop them along the Ho Chi Minh trail and other supply routes. The devices, though primarily sensors, also had rescue capabilities. Someone on the ground—a downed airman or a prisoner on a labor gang —could manually enter data into the sensor. All data were regularly collected electronically by US planes flying overhead. Alfond stated, without any challenge or contradiction by the committee, that in 1974, a year after the supposedly complete return of prisoners, the gathered data showed that a person or people had manually entered into the sensors—as US pilots had been trained to do—”no less than 20 authenticator numbers that corresponded exactly to the classified authenticator numbers of 20 US POWs who were lost in Laos.“ Alfond added, according to the transcript: ”This PAVE SPIKE intelligence is seamless, but the committee has not discussed it or released what it knows about PAVE SPIKE.“

    McCain attended that committee hearing specifically to confront Alfond because of her criticism of the panel's work. He bellowed and berated her for quite a while. His face turning anger-pink, he accused her of ”denigrating“ his ”patriotism.“ The bullying had its effect—she began to cry.

    After a pause Alfond recovered and tried to respond to his scorching tirade, but McCain simply turned away and stormed out of the room. The PAVE SPIKE file has never been declassified. We still don't know anything about those twenty POWs.



    “I used to spend a lot of time in this room...back when it was a shit hole and I was a shit head.”
    big·otˈbiɡət/ noun: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 18,942
    JC29856 said:
    https://www.theinvestigativefund.org/investigation/2008/10/06/mccain-pow-cover/

    McCain and the POW Cover-up

    John McCain never misses an opportunity to tout his Vietnam POW credentials. Then why did he help suppress a real investigation into evidence of POWs left behind?

    6. On November 11, 1992, Dolores Alfond, the sister of missing airman Capt. Victor Apodaca and chair of the National Alliance of Families, an organization of relatives of POW/MIAs, testified at one of the Senate committee's public hearings. She asked for information about data the government had gathered from electronic devices used in a classified program known as PAVE SPIKE.

    The devices were motion sensors, dropped by air, designed to pick up enemy troop movements. Shaped on one end like a spike with an electronic pod and antenna on top, they were designed to stick in the ground as they fell. Air Force planes would drop them along the Ho Chi Minh trail and other supply routes. The devices, though primarily sensors, also had rescue capabilities. Someone on the ground—a downed airman or a prisoner on a labor gang —could manually enter data into the sensor. All data were regularly collected electronically by US planes flying overhead. Alfond stated, without any challenge or contradiction by the committee, that in 1974, a year after the supposedly complete return of prisoners, the gathered data showed that a person or people had manually entered into the sensors—as US pilots had been trained to do—”no less than 20 authenticator numbers that corresponded exactly to the classified authenticator numbers of 20 US POWs who were lost in Laos.“ Alfond added, according to the transcript: ”This PAVE SPIKE intelligence is seamless, but the committee has not discussed it or released what it knows about PAVE SPIKE.“

    McCain attended that committee hearing specifically to confront Alfond because of her criticism of the panel's work. He bellowed and berated her for quite a while. His face turning anger-pink, he accused her of ”denigrating“ his ”patriotism.“ The bullying had its effect—she began to cry.

    After a pause Alfond recovered and tried to respond to his scorching tirade, but McCain simply turned away and stormed out of the room. The PAVE SPIKE file has never been declassified. We still don't know anything about those twenty POWs.



    Great what a class act you are ..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,313
    JC29856 said:
    https://www.theinvestigativefund.org/investigation/2008/10/06/mccain-pow-cover/

    McCain and the POW Cover-up

    John McCain never misses an opportunity to tout his Vietnam POW credentials. Then why did he help suppress a real investigation into evidence of POWs left behind?

    6. On November 11, 1992, Dolores Alfond, the sister of missing airman Capt. Victor Apodaca and chair of the National Alliance of Families, an organization of relatives of POW/MIAs, testified at one of the Senate committee's public hearings. She asked for information about data the government had gathered from electronic devices used in a classified program known as PAVE SPIKE.

    The devices were motion sensors, dropped by air, designed to pick up enemy troop movements. Shaped on one end like a spike with an electronic pod and antenna on top, they were designed to stick in the ground as they fell. Air Force planes would drop them along the Ho Chi Minh trail and other supply routes. The devices, though primarily sensors, also had rescue capabilities. Someone on the ground—a downed airman or a prisoner on a labor gang —could manually enter data into the sensor. All data were regularly collected electronically by US planes flying overhead. Alfond stated, without any challenge or contradiction by the committee, that in 1974, a year after the supposedly complete return of prisoners, the gathered data showed that a person or people had manually entered into the sensors—as US pilots had been trained to do—”no less than 20 authenticator numbers that corresponded exactly to the classified authenticator numbers of 20 US POWs who were lost in Laos.“ Alfond added, according to the transcript: ”This PAVE SPIKE intelligence is seamless, but the committee has not discussed it or released what it knows about PAVE SPIKE.“

    McCain attended that committee hearing specifically to confront Alfond because of her criticism of the panel's work. He bellowed and berated her for quite a while. His face turning anger-pink, he accused her of ”denigrating“ his ”patriotism.“ The bullying had its effect—she began to cry.

    After a pause Alfond recovered and tried to respond to his scorching tirade, but McCain simply turned away and stormed out of the room. The PAVE SPIKE file has never been declassified. We still don't know anything about those twenty POWs.



    Great what a class act you are ..
    are you a fortunate son? how about a fortunate son and grandson of 4 star admirals!



    “I used to spend a lot of time in this room...back when it was a shit hole and I was a shit head.”
    big·otˈbiɡət/ noun: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 41,745
    My mother has officially banned a few people from her funeral, lol. It's not as unusual or weird as some seem to think IMO. :lol:
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 14,679
    PJ_Soul said:
    My mother has officially banned a few people from her funeral, lol. It's not as unusual or weird as some seem to think IMO. :lol:
    there's a few that have made my list. :lol:
  • jeffbrjeffbr SeattlePosts: 5,936
    Ironic mention of classless. Well done.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,313
    PJ_Soul said:
    My mother has officially banned a few people from her funeral, lol. It's not as unusual or weird as some seem to think IMO. :lol:
    It is highly unusual for a public figure to publicly un-invite someone to his/hers funeral. No need to argue that because its "silly petty" but I will say that your post had me thinking, under what circumstances does someone go out (assuming the person is terminal) of their way and make it known to the people they care about or have cared about in the past and forbid them to mourn their loss and celebrate that life? (Ignoring the petty McCain un-invitation because I dont think Songbird or 5 Deferment Don really care about each other. To put it in perspective McNasty requested that W give a eulogy at his services! Lets hope W doesn't bring up the South Carolina primary!)
    “I used to spend a lot of time in this room...back when it was a shit hole and I was a shit head.”
    big·otˈbiɡət/ noun: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 14,724
    We don't see the difference between a protest song about nobody specific and someone working at the white house joking about a person actually dying?

    I mean c'mon bro
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 41,745
    edited May 16
    JC29856 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    My mother has officially banned a few people from her funeral, lol. It's not as unusual or weird as some seem to think IMO. :lol:
    It is highly unusual for a public figure to publicly un-invite someone to his/hers funeral. No need to argue that because its "silly petty" but I will say that your post had me thinking, under what circumstances does someone go out (assuming the person is terminal) of their way and make it known to the people they care about or have cared about in the past and forbid them to mourn their loss and celebrate that life? (Ignoring the petty McCain un-invitation because I dont think Songbird or 5 Deferment Don really care about each other. To put it in perspective McNasty requested that W give a eulogy at his services! Lets hope W doesn't bring up the South Carolina primary!)
    Why would anyone ban someone they care about from their funeral? They don't. They "ban" people who they hate, and who likely hates them, but who for various reasons would likely show up to their funeral anyhow. That is clearly the case with McCain. He's made it clear that he thinks Trump is a horrible human being, and he seems to really be disgusted with what Trump represents, on a very deep level (like a lot of us!). But given McCain and Trump's positions, Trump showing up to his funeral would be rather likely. I think McCain simply said what he said because he viewed it likely that a big piece of shit would turn up where his loved ones want to mourn him and honour their love for him, and didn't want a big steaming pile of shit ruining it for them. Chances are good that his family loathes Trump just as much, and McCain didn't want to leave it to them to diss the POTUS - he did them that favour. I don't think that's "silly petty", under the circumstances. Yes, it's highly unusual for a public figure to do this.... But Trump is a "highly unusual" public figure all around and so spawns stuff like this. Perhaps you are underestimating how absolutely morally DISGUSTING and behaviorally repulsive and literally harmful Trump is to a lot of people?
    As for my mother.... there are a couple of truly rotten human beings she has had the misfortune of being related to, either by blood or marriage - she doesn't want two people who hate her showing up just because everyone else is, and those two phonies would certainly do that if we let them. Seems fair to me. You don't want terrible people tarnishing a moment that is that important to the deceased loved ones and the memory of the deceased.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 15,158
    edited May 16
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    Very very angry dude. I m not sure why people are this angry about McCain. 
    Post edited by Sea on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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