John McCain

PJ_Soul

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

oftenreading said:

Mcgruff is “the left”? 

Since 1996 I've voted in every election and voted democrat every single time; I have only voted republican once (last year governor race in nj).  

Perhaps the confusion comes from the fact that you'd be a somewhat hard core conservative in Canadian terms. Our right wing is way more liberal than in America, and our left wing is actually left, not in the middle.

The only conversations I add to these on these forums are the one where I am to the right.  Like I said, I voted for Hillary! lol.
Hard core conservative?  Allie those are fighting words!  I mean I know we have issues because we have argued for 15 years about riot act but to insult me like that....wow.  

Drowned Out

So, watching some Max Blumenthal interviews on  youtube, I came across this interview he did for (trigger warning) RT.

Blumenthal outlined the top few reasons (imo - others would have a different list I’m sure), to not allow a heroic legacy for McCain....Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Ukraine...his ties to Neo-nazis and salafi jihadists and anyone else willing to help the empire get its war on.  
I dread seeing his ‘contributions’ romanticized any more than we have already seen.  
https://youtu.be/Em9UCQ07_Fk

rgambs

unsung said:

He's a warmonger, and warmongers deserve what warmongers get.

What warmongers usually get is rich, unfortunately.

JimmyV

I don't agree with everything John McCain did in his political career and I gladly took the one opportunity to vote against him I ever had. But...the man spent his entire adult life in public service. Now that he's dying I see no reason to be anything less than respectful. I can do that and still disagree.

unsung

rgambs said:

unsung said:

He's a warmonger, and warmongers deserve what warmongers get.

What warmongers usually get is rich, unfortunately.

They can't take it with them.

unsung

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/us/politics/john-mccain-brain-cancer.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

I prefer to avoid another 30 day ban so this is all I will add.

Spiritual_Chaos

81 is a respectable age.

None of my grandparents reached it.

brianlux

unsung said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/us/politics/john-mccain-brain-cancer.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

I prefer to avoid another 30 day ban so this is all I will add.

You post a link about an article about a man entering his final days and you imply that you would say something slighting about him.  Wow- classy, dude.

PJ_Soul

..... I'm not saying I have any desire to do it in this case right now.... but dying doesn't preclude someone from criticism, especially not when it comes to politicians. I know some balk at this, but I don't think those who do it deserve to be insulted for it. At least not if the criticism is valid.

oftenreading

PJ_Soul said:

..... I'm not saying I have any desire to do it in this case right now.... but dying doesn't preclude someone from criticism, especially not when it comes to politicians. I know some balk at this, but I don't think those who do it deserve to be insulted for it. At least not if the criticism is valid.

Valid criticism, sure - health status doesn’t protect someone from valid and factual criticism. That’s very different from personal attacks and celebration of someone’s illness or death. 

PJ_Soul

oftenreading said:

PJ_Soul said:

..... I'm not saying I have any desire to do it in this case right now.... but dying doesn't preclude someone from criticism, especially not when it comes to politicians. I know some balk at this, but I don't think those who do it deserve to be insulted for it. At least not if the criticism is valid.

Valid criticism, sure - health status doesn’t protect someone from valid and factual criticism. That’s very different from personal attacks and celebration of someone’s illness or death. 

Certainly (in most cases, anyway).

JC29856

I saw John McCain trending and I got buttflies in my stomach as I quickly searched his name. He is only stopping treatment.

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/why-you-should-celebrate-loudly-and-unapologetically-when-john-mccain-dies-1cf3d31afce4

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/please-just-fucking-die-already-acb3a879656e

stuckinline

unsung said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/us/politics/john-mccain-brain-cancer.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

I prefer to avoid another 30 day ban so this is all I will add.

I don't understand or appreciate whatever point you are trying to make here.
I have a family member battling brain cancer, it is an awful, awful disease that affects the entire family.
Making the decision to stop treatment is an extremely difficult decision for a family to make.

jeffbr

JC29856 said:

I saw John McCain trending and I got buttflies in my stomach as I quickly searched his name. He is only stopping treatment.

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/why-you-should-celebrate-loudly-and-unapologetically-when-john-mccain-dies-1cf3d31afce4

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/please-just-fucking-die-already-acb3a879656e

There's probably an ointment for that.

unsung

stuckinline said:

unsung said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/us/politics/john-mccain-brain-cancer.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

I prefer to avoid another 30 day ban so this is all I will add.

I don't understand or appreciate whatever point you are trying to make here.
I have a family member battling brain cancer, it is an awful, awful disease that affects the entire family.
Making the decision to stop treatment is an extremely difficult decision for a family to make.

It is called an update to a news story about a sitting US Senator.  Take it up with the NY Times if it bothers you so much.  This is a political forum about politics and discussion on a person that has made many important decisions that the World needs to deal with.

PJ_Soul

unsung said:

stuckinline said:

unsung said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/us/politics/john-mccain-brain-cancer.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

I prefer to avoid another 30 day ban so this is all I will add.

I don't understand or appreciate whatever point you are trying to make here.
I have a family member battling brain cancer, it is an awful, awful disease that affects the entire family.
Making the decision to stop treatment is an extremely difficult decision for a family to make.

It is called an update to a news story about a sitting US Senator.  Take it up with the NY Times if it bothers you so much.  This is a political forum about politics and discussion on a person that has made many important decisions that the World needs to deal with.

I think it was the 30 day ban comment that people are taking issue with, lol, not the article. Most people around here are pretty good at reading between the lines.

JC29856

jeffbr said:

JC29856 said:

I saw John McCain trending and I got buttflies in my stomach as I quickly searched his name. He is only stopping treatment.

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/why-you-should-celebrate-loudly-and-unapologetically-when-john-mccain-dies-1cf3d31afce4

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/please-just-fucking-die-already-acb3a879656e

There's probably an ointment for that.

Lol...classic buttflies. I think a have them also.
#cindybutterflies

Gern Blansten

JC29856 said:

I saw John McCain trending and I got buttflies in my stomach as I quickly searched his name. He is only stopping treatment.

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/why-you-should-celebrate-loudly-and-unapologetically-when-john-mccain-dies-1cf3d31afce4

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/please-just-fucking-die-already-acb3a879656e

I had buttflies once.....once

unsung

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

stuckinline said:

unsung said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/us/politics/john-mccain-brain-cancer.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

I prefer to avoid another 30 day ban so this is all I will add.

I don't understand or appreciate whatever point you are trying to make here.
I have a family member battling brain cancer, it is an awful, awful disease that affects the entire family.
Making the decision to stop treatment is an extremely difficult decision for a family to make.

It is called an update to a news story about a sitting US Senator.  Take it up with the NY Times if it bothers you so much.  This is a political forum about politics and discussion on a person that has made many important decisions that the World needs to deal with.

I think it was the 30 day ban comment that people are taking issue with, lol, not the article. Most people around here are pretty good at reading between the lines.

I cannot confirm or deny, lol.

brianlux

I'm not suggesting McCain doesn't deserve some criticism.  But implying those criticisms while placing that with a  link to an article that is only about someones dying days- really?  What would anyone do that?  To my way of thinking that is beyond tasteless.  The only exceptions to that would be if the person were someone truly horrible like Hitler, Idi Amin or Ho Chi Min, maybe, but McCain?  That's low.