sounds to me like you are in favor of profiling and less in favor of freedom.
I'm in favour of both. You want a K-1 Visa to come to my country? I don't care what religion you are...let me see your facebook page! Everytime I have hired an employee? I have googled them. Everytime I have rented an apartment? I have checked facebook. A country has both the freedom and the duty to know who is on their way.
So what have you found out in the private chats? Oh that's right, nothing cuz you don't and shouldn't have access.
Simple fact, this experiment we live in does not come without its risks.
There is a 1 in 4 million chance a person is going to be a victim of a terrorist attack. 1 in 9 million of a mass shooting. Yes that takes the air out of the push for some kind of action on gun regulation but accurate it is. The $ costs and the figurative costs to civil liberties are too great in my opinion to continue with some of the shit we already have given up much less adding more to that. Use the dollars spent in better ways and seek to. Minimize the infringements of the average Americans civil liberties.
Do as you wish in Canada.
Not exactly sure where you got your stats from, but I'll believe them.
So f**k it. Let's just accept terrorism as an unpleasant aspect of life and carry on? This is what you seem to be saying.
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sounds to me like you are in favor of profiling and less in favor of freedom.
I'm in favour of both. You want a K-1 Visa to come to my country? I don't care what religion you are...let me see your facebook page! Everytime I have hired an employee? I have googled them. Everytime I have rented an apartment? I have checked facebook. A country has both the freedom and the duty to know who is on their way.
So what have you found out in the private chats? Oh that's right, nothing cuz you don't and shouldn't have access.
Simple fact, this experiment we live in does not come without its risks.
There is a 1 in 4 million chance a person is going to be a victim of a terrorist attack. 1 in 9 million of a mass shooting. Yes that takes the air out of the push for some kind of action on gun regulation but accurate it is. The $ costs and the figurative costs to civil liberties are too great in my opinion to continue with some of the shit we already have given up much less adding more to that. Use the dollars spent in better ways and seek to. Minimize the infringements of the average Americans civil liberties.
Do as you wish in Canada.
Not exactly sure where you got your stats from, but I'll believe them.
So f**k it. Let's just accept terrorism as an unpleasant aspect of life and carry on? This is what you seem to be saying.
No not fuck it but yes accept it as a reality of the world we live in.
We are better served in seeking to address the causes to reduce some of it but we cant be so arrogant as to believe we will defeat it it. We cant. Its a tactic that comes from a mind set.
So how do you defeat an idea? Answer that honestly and we have a plan to move forward.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
sounds to me like you are in favor of profiling and less in favor of freedom.
I'm in favour of both. You want a K-1 Visa to come to my country? I don't care what religion you are...let me see your facebook page! Everytime I have hired an employee? I have googled them. Everytime I have rented an apartment? I have checked facebook. A country has both the freedom and the duty to know who is on their way.
So what have you found out in the private chats? Oh that's right, nothing cuz you don't and shouldn't have access.
Simple fact, this experiment we live in does not come without its risks.
There is a 1 in 4 million chance a person is going to be a victim of a terrorist attack. 1 in 9 million of a mass shooting. Yes that takes the air out of the push for some kind of action on gun regulation but accurate it is. The $ costs and the figurative costs to civil liberties are too great in my opinion to continue with some of the shit we already have given up much less adding more to that. Use the dollars spent in better ways and seek to. Minimize the infringements of the average Americans civil liberties.
Do as you wish in Canada.
Not exactly sure where you got your stats from, but I'll believe them.
So f**k it. Let's just accept terrorism as an unpleasant aspect of life and carry on? This is what you seem to be saying.
No not fuck it but yes accept it as a reality of the world we live in.
We are better served in seeking to address the causes to reduce some of it but we cant be so arrogant as to believe we will defeat it it. We cant. Its a tactic that comes from a mind set.
So how do you defeat an idea? Answer that honestly and we have a plan to move forward.
perhaps we defeat an idea by talking over it, talking down to the people who believe in that idea, and threaten to bomb the families of those with that idea. so many people on here think that will work. the gop thinks that will work. let's try it.
facepalm. you can not win a war on a tactic and you can't win a war on an idea. if that were the case, communism and socialism would have been stamped out long ago by 'murica.
in addition, you can't win a war on a religion, or a certain sect of a religion. just because america wants a war with radical islam it does not mean that the religious tenets of radical islam will magically disappear. if anything, it will drive it underground and it would become more of a threat.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
Nothing wrong with being concerned about bigotry but maybe this thread should focus on how political correctness might have hindered prevention of the attack...
Pretty classic of the AMT to always be concerned about the boogeyman on the right first.
Fair point.
Was it ever confirmed that the neighbors didn't speak up because they were scared of being accused of profiling? That too is a great concern.
That is what the neighbour said but who knows how much of that is true. Hindsight is 20:20.
Yeah, because the neighbor saw Arabs. That is it. You can't call cops just because you see Arabs. It would be a complete waste of time, and yes, incredibly bigotted. He never saw any suspicious activity. It was a dumb thing for the neighbor to say.
Wrong...Police get calls of suspicious looking people all the time. Probably 15% of all police calls in my town. Many solid pinches and piece's of shit have been taken off the street by concerned neighbors who made a call cause something does not pass the smell test. But go ahead and keep your blinders on so you don't offend anyone. We Got Some real pathetic neighbors on here.
It's all fine and good until you are the one with dark skin getting the cops called on you all the time. How would you feel if that was you? 14 of 15 black officers of the NYPD, interviewed by Reuters said they had been the victims of racial profiling when off-duty. How would you feel if that were you? Are you capable of that sort of introspection? I'm not sure why I ask, you haven't ever taken a discussion seriously enough to answer this sort of question before, that I can recall.
Nothing wrong with being concerned about bigotry but maybe this thread should focus on how political correctness might have hindered prevention of the attack...
Pretty classic of the AMT to always be concerned about the boogeyman on the right first.
Fair point.
Was it ever confirmed that the neighbors didn't speak up because they were scared of being accused of profiling? That too is a great concern.
That is what the neighbour said but who knows how much of that is true. Hindsight is 20:20.
Yeah, because the neighbor saw Arabs. That is it. You can't call cops just because you see Arabs. It would be a complete waste of time, and yes, incredibly bigotted. He never saw any suspicious activity. It was a dumb thing for the neighbor to say.
Wrong...Police get calls of suspicious looking people all the time. Probably 15% of all police calls in my town. Many solid pinches and piece's of shit have been taken off the street by concerned neighbors who made a call cause something does not pass the smell test. But go ahead and keep your blinders on so you don't offend anyone. We Got Some real pathetic neighbors on here.
I have no blinders on. I am talking about a neighbor who is 100% talking with the benefit of 20/20. The man saw some Arabs visiting an Arab home. He thought nothing of it, because there is nothing suspicious about that. Then the people the men he saw visiting committed the shooting. All of a sudden the neighbor thinks he should have called the cops back when I bet it didn't even actually occur to him. BTW, what in the hell do you think the cops would have done if the guy HAD called the cops because Arabs were visiting Arab friends? Get a search warrant? NOPE. They wouldn't have been able to do a damn thing! I feel like some of you are actually of the belief that people should be calling the cops just because they see Arabs. Literally. WHAT THE FUCK? The Constitution does not allow the cops to do anything about people just walking around being Arab, and god knows the last thing that the US needs is for people to start calling authorities every time they spot a brown guy! How unbelievably stupid. This is the same damn story we hear about every single major crime. "Oh, he just seemed like a regular guy, pretty quiet, nothing strange. I can't believe he was a serial killer! I should have known! But there was never anything that suggested he'd do something like this." Hindsight is 20/20. I can't believe people are seeing this particular case as any more than that.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Nothing wrong with being concerned about bigotry but maybe this thread should focus on how political correctness might have hindered prevention of the attack...
Pretty classic of the AMT to always be concerned about the boogeyman on the right first.
Fair point.
Was it ever confirmed that the neighbors didn't speak up because they were scared of being accused of profiling? That too is a great concern.
That is what the neighbour said but who knows how much of that is true. Hindsight is 20:20.
Yeah, because the neighbor saw Arabs. That is it. You can't call cops just because you see Arabs. It would be a complete waste of time, and yes, incredibly bigotted. He never saw any suspicious activity. It was a dumb thing for the neighbor to say.
Wrong...Police get calls of suspicious looking people all the time. Probably 15% of all police calls in my town. Many solid pinches and piece's of shit have been taken off the street by concerned neighbors who made a call cause something does not pass the smell test. But go ahead and keep your blinders on so you don't offend anyone. We Got Some real pathetic neighbors on here.
It's all fine and good until you are the one with dark skin getting the cops called on you all the time. How would you feel if that was you? 14 of 15 black officers of the NYPD, interviewed by Reuters said they had been the victims of racial profiling when off-duty. How would you feel if that were you? Are you capable of that sort of introspection? I'm not sure why I ask, you haven't ever taken a discussion seriously enough to answer this sort of question before, that I can recall.
Good GOD, what a load of crap. Try to stick to reality pal, it may save you or your families life someday. If you want to talk feelings go address the many on here who think lightening candles and singing kum-ba-yah songs will make bad things go away. I prefer to live in reality and not fantasy. And the reality is the safety of Americans is compromised when people are afraid to make a call in fear of being considered not PC...
Nothing wrong with being concerned about bigotry but maybe this thread should focus on how political correctness might have hindered prevention of the attack...
Pretty classic of the AMT to always be concerned about the boogeyman on the right first.
Fair point.
Was it ever confirmed that the neighbors didn't speak up because they were scared of being accused of profiling? That too is a great concern.
That is what the neighbour said but who knows how much of that is true. Hindsight is 20:20.
Yeah, because the neighbor saw Arabs. That is it. You can't call cops just because you see Arabs. It would be a complete waste of time, and yes, incredibly bigotted. He never saw any suspicious activity. It was a dumb thing for the neighbor to say.
Wrong...Police get calls of suspicious looking people all the time. Probably 15% of all police calls in my town. Many solid pinches and piece's of shit have been taken off the street by concerned neighbors who made a call cause something does not pass the smell test. But go ahead and keep your blinders on so you don't offend anyone. We Got Some real pathetic neighbors on here.
It's all fine and good until you are the one with dark skin getting the cops called on you all the time. How would you feel if that was you? 14 of 15 black officers of the NYPD, interviewed by Reuters said they had been the victims of racial profiling when off-duty. How would you feel if that were you? Are you capable of that sort of introspection? I'm not sure why I ask, you haven't ever taken a discussion seriously enough to answer this sort of question before, that I can recall.
Good GOD, what a load of crap. Try to stick to reality pal, it may save you or your families life someday. If you want to talk feelings go address the many on here who think lightening candles and singing kum-ba-yah songs will make bad things go away. I prefer to live in reality and not fantasy. And the reality is the safety of Americans is compromised when people are afraid to make a call in fear of being considered not PC...
That's a pretty good job at avoiding the question asked of you and writing a post which doesn't make much sense and doesn't have much to do with the discussion. Either you don't have solid reasoning skills, or you refuse to use them...either way, your posts make me fearful of police, and I am not the first to tell you so.
Nothing wrong with being concerned about bigotry but maybe this thread should focus on how political correctness might have hindered prevention of the attack...
Pretty classic of the AMT to always be concerned about the boogeyman on the right first.
Fair point.
Was it ever confirmed that the neighbors didn't speak up because they were scared of being accused of profiling? That too is a great concern.
That is what the neighbour said but who knows how much of that is true. Hindsight is 20:20.
Yeah, because the neighbor saw Arabs. That is it. You can't call cops just because you see Arabs. It would be a complete waste of time, and yes, incredibly bigotted. He never saw any suspicious activity. It was a dumb thing for the neighbor to say.
Wrong...Police get calls of suspicious looking people all the time. Probably 15% of all police calls in my town. Many solid pinches and piece's of shit have been taken off the street by concerned neighbors who made a call cause something does not pass the smell test. But go ahead and keep your blinders on so you don't offend anyone. We Got Some real pathetic neighbors on here.
It's all fine and good until you are the one with dark skin getting the cops called on you all the time. How would you feel if that was you? 14 of 15 black officers of the NYPD, interviewed by Reuters said they had been the victims of racial profiling when off-duty. How would you feel if that were you? Are you capable of that sort of introspection? I'm not sure why I ask, you haven't ever taken a discussion seriously enough to answer this sort of question before, that I can recall.
Good GOD, what a load of crap. Try to stick to reality pal, it may save you or your families life someday. If you want to talk feelings go address the many on here who think lightening candles and singing kum-ba-yah songs will make bad things go away. I prefer to live in reality and not fantasy. And the reality is the safety of Americans is compromised when people are afraid to make a call in fear of being considered not PC...
That's a pretty good job at avoiding the question asked of you and writing a post which doesn't make much sense and doesn't have much to do with the discussion. Either you don't have solid reasoning skills, or you refuse to use them...either way, your posts make me fearful of police, and I am not the first to tell you so.
Of course it makes no sense to someone like you. And that's a shame, puppies should not be fearful of the police, but a bulldog should. I am sorry for that. Good luck
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He is the author of several classic works of political science and many editorial page columns and articles in The Wall Street Journal, Los Angeles Times, The New Republic, Reason, The Washington Post, and The New York Times.
Mueller is a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, has been a John Simon Guggenheim Fellow, and has received grants from the National Science Foundation and the National Endowment for the Humanities. He has also received several teaching prizes.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Nothing wrong with being concerned about bigotry but maybe this thread should focus on how political correctness might have hindered prevention of the attack...
Pretty classic of the AMT to always be concerned about the boogeyman on the right first.
Fair point.
Was it ever confirmed that the neighbors didn't speak up because they were scared of being accused of profiling? That too is a great concern.
That is what the neighbour said but who knows how much of that is true. Hindsight is 20:20.
Yeah, because the neighbor saw Arabs. That is it. You can't call cops just because you see Arabs. It would be a complete waste of time, and yes, incredibly bigotted. He never saw any suspicious activity. It was a dumb thing for the neighbor to say.
Wrong...Police get calls of suspicious looking people all the time. Probably 15% of all police calls in my town. Many solid pinches and piece's of shit have been taken off the street by concerned neighbors who made a call cause something does not pass the smell test. But go ahead and keep your blinders on so you don't offend anyone. We Got Some real pathetic neighbors on here.
It's all fine and good until you are the one with dark skin getting the cops called on you all the time. How would you feel if that was you? 14 of 15 black officers of the NYPD, interviewed by Reuters said they had been the victims of racial profiling when off-duty. How would you feel if that were you? Are you capable of that sort of introspection? I'm not sure why I ask, you haven't ever taken a discussion seriously enough to answer this sort of question before, that I can recall.
Good GOD, what a load of crap. Try to stick to reality pal, it may save you or your families life someday. If you want to talk feelings go address the many on here who think lightening candles and singing kum-ba-yah songs will make bad things go away. I prefer to live in reality and not fantasy. And the reality is the safety of Americans is compromised when people are afraid to make a call in fear of being considered not PC...
That's a pretty good job at avoiding the question asked of you and writing a post which doesn't make much sense and doesn't have much to do with the discussion. Either you don't have solid reasoning skills, or you refuse to use them...either way, your posts make me fearful of police, and I am not the first to tell you so.
Of course it makes no sense to someone like you. And that's a shame, puppies should not be fearful of the police, but a bulldog should. I am sorry for that. Good luck
It's not that I am "someone like me", it's that your posts are at an 8th grade (at best) writing level and they rarely pertain to the topic. I asked how you would feel if you were harassed by police because of your skin color, you responded with a somewhat decipherable rant on how you live in reality.
Nothing wrong with being concerned about bigotry but maybe this thread should focus on how political correctness might have hindered prevention of the attack...
Pretty classic of the AMT to always be concerned about the boogeyman on the right first.
Fair point.
Was it ever confirmed that the neighbors didn't speak up because they were scared of being accused of profiling? That too is a great concern.
That is what the neighbour said but who knows how much of that is true. Hindsight is 20:20.
Yeah, because the neighbor saw Arabs. That is it. You can't call cops just because you see Arabs. It would be a complete waste of time, and yes, incredibly bigotted. He never saw any suspicious activity. It was a dumb thing for the neighbor to say.
Wrong...Police get calls of suspicious looking people all the time. Probably 15% of all police calls in my town. Many solid pinches and piece's of shit have been taken off the street by concerned neighbors who made a call cause something does not pass the smell test. But go ahead and keep your blinders on so you don't offend anyone. We Got Some real pathetic neighbors on here.
It's all fine and good until you are the one with dark skin getting the cops called on you all the time. How would you feel if that was you? 14 of 15 black officers of the NYPD, interviewed by Reuters said they had been the victims of racial profiling when off-duty. How would you feel if that were you? Are you capable of that sort of introspection? I'm not sure why I ask, you haven't ever taken a discussion seriously enough to answer this sort of question before, that I can recall.
Good GOD, what a load of crap. Try to stick to reality pal, it may save you or your families life someday. If you want to talk feelings go address the many on here who think lightening candles and singing kum-ba-yah songs will make bad things go away. I prefer to live in reality and not fantasy. And the reality is the safety of Americans is compromised when people are afraid to make a call in fear of being considered not PC...
That's a pretty good job at avoiding the question asked of you and writing a post which doesn't make much sense and doesn't have much to do with the discussion. Either you don't have solid reasoning skills, or you refuse to use them...either way, your posts make me fearful of police, and I am not the first to tell you so.
Of course it makes no sense to someone like you. And that's a shame, puppies should not be fearful of the police, but a bulldog should. I am sorry for that. Good luck
It's not that I am "someone like me", it's that your posts are at an 8th grade (at best) writing level and they rarely pertain to the topic. I asked how you would feel if you were harassed by police because of your skin color, you responded with a somewhat decipherable rant on how you live in reality.
Thats right, the smartest guy in the room stuff again. I have learned over the years not to play these silly hypotheticals Professor. Honesty by people in the game is not appreciated around these parts. You do make a good point thou, I know I have gotten dumber over the years Being exposed to a cancerous element in my city that simply cannot adjust to a civil society...that element being the police of course...lol. Ruff Ruff
^^^^ Both have unwavering faith that sustains them.
So are Buddhists equal in the sick war too?
I don't see Christians beheading people and burning people alive in the name of Jesus. Ridiculous to even remotely equate Christianity's perceived negatives to what the Islamic extremists are doing. ISIL wants to murder anything that doesn't fit its religious view and Christians want to keep unborn babies from being murdered. Yeah, both are completely evil.
We bombed the shit out of Muslims. Dubya appealed to religion to get Americans behind him. We just have better weapons. Fuck look at the rhetoric now in bombing Syria.
You gotta decide if the Iraq war was about religion, oil, corporate interests, WMD's, or terrorism. You can't say it was a religious based war and then switch over to oil when trying to make another argument.
I don't remember at the time anyone thinking it was a religious war. Hell, Iraq was led by a basically secular government at the time. The war was sold to the public via WMD's and 9/11 and not as a Christian versus Muslim war.
W. Thought Gog and Magog were at Work in the Mid East,
Google it.
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up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,939
FBI says they gained access to the phone without apples help.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
FBI says they gained access to the phone without apples help.
I'm glad the Feds / Courts didn't compel Apple to compromise the security of the phones. This chapter ended well. Now I hope Apple learns how the Feds' hacker gained access to the phone and issues a security update to plug that hole.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
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So f**k it. Let's just accept terrorism as an unpleasant aspect of life and carry on? This is what you seem to be saying.
We are better served in seeking to address the causes to reduce some of it but we cant be so arrogant as to believe we will defeat it it. We cant. Its a tactic that comes from a mind set.
So how do you defeat an idea? Answer that honestly and we have a plan to move forward.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
facepalm. you can not win a war on a tactic and you can't win a war on an idea. if that were the case, communism and socialism would have been stamped out long ago by 'murica.
in addition, you can't win a war on a religion, or a certain sect of a religion. just because america wants a war with radical islam it does not mean that the religious tenets of radical islam will magically disappear. if anything, it will drive it underground and it would become more of a threat.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
14 of 15 black officers of the NYPD, interviewed by Reuters said they had been the victims of racial profiling when off-duty.
How would you feel if that were you? Are you capable of that sort of introspection? I'm not sure why I ask, you haven't ever taken a discussion seriously enough to answer this sort of question before, that I can recall.
I feel like some of you are actually of the belief that people should be calling the cops just because they see Arabs. Literally. WHAT THE FUCK? The Constitution does not allow the cops to do anything about people just walking around being Arab, and god knows the last thing that the US needs is for people to start calling authorities every time they spot a brown guy! How unbelievably stupid.
This is the same damn story we hear about every single major crime. "Oh, he just seemed like a regular guy, pretty quiet, nothing strange. I can't believe he was a serial killer! I should have known! But there was never anything that suggested he'd do something like this." Hindsight is 20/20. I can't believe people are seeing this particular case as any more than that.
Either you don't have solid reasoning skills, or you refuse to use them...either way, your posts make me fearful of police, and I am not the first to tell you so.
Of course it makes no sense to someone like you. And that's a shame, puppies should not be fearful of the police, but a bulldog should. I am sorry for that. Good luck
Everybody feel better now?
Has figured there's a 1 in 4 MILLION chance of being the victim of a terrorist attack.
I have heard him interviewed and he makes a compelling argument.
Overblown: How Politicians and the Terrorism Industry Inflate National Security Threats, and Why We Believe Them
Among possible U.S. terrorist targets listed by the Department of Homeland Security are a petting zoo in Alabama and a roadside water park in Florida. By listing such unlikely targets, the administration has heightened fear and the cost of protecting citizens, according to Mueller, a political science professor and national security consultant. He examines how terrorism hypervigilance is threatening civil liberties, the economy, and lives. Mueller explores three themes: terrorist threats are overblown; we can learn from the lessons of previous international threats that they are often exaggerated; and by applying these lessons, we can create policy that reduces fear and the cost of overreaction. Among other observations, Mueller notes that despite fears of chemical attacks, most such weapons are "incapable of perpetrating mass destruction," and our counterterrorism tactics tend to be expensive "self-flagellation" that bolsters the image of the terrorists. If the objective is to keep Americans frightened and willing to spend money and relinquish freedom, then the terrorists are winning, Mueller maintains. Interesting reading on a subject that will continue to hold great political sway. Vanessa Bush
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About the Author
John Mueller holds the Woody Hayes Chair of National Security Studies, Mershon Center, and is professor of Political Science at Ohio State University, where he teaches courses in international relations.
He is the author of several classic works of political science and many editorial page columns and articles in The Wall Street Journal, Los Angeles Times, The New Republic, Reason, The Washington Post, and The New York Times.
Mueller is a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, has been a John Simon Guggenheim Fellow, and has received grants from the National Science Foundation and the National Endowment for the Humanities. He has also received several teaching prizes.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I asked how you would feel if you were harassed by police because of your skin color, you responded with a somewhat decipherable rant on how you live in reality.
Google it.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14