Guns.

gimmesometruth27 · 1:53PM

seems like with a serious manhunt underway, the feds would want to release any images they have so the public can maybe help them?

we have a shit fbi director. is that why?

Gern Blansten · 1:53PM

gimmesometruth27 said:

why are we not talking about how the shooter seems to have gotten away?

they said they have him on closed circuit camera. where are the images?

how do people know who they are even supposed to be looking for?

seems very suspect to me.

i am not a conspiracy person, but why has none of that been released?

Patel needs to answer for claiming they already had the guy....that was pathetic

Halifax2TheMax · 1:55PM

HughFreakingDillon said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

seanwon said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

and now we wait (oh, about 4 minutes or so) for the right to politicize it when they've always maintained "now is not the time to politicize gun violence".

Might as well, you clowns already have......

that pos can't help himself. there is no suspect, and there is no motive, yet the most powerful man in the world is spreading conjecture as fact. fuck him and his impulsivity.

leaders are supposed to lead and try to heal and unite in a time like this. people like trump throw gasoline on the fire and then wonder why actions escalate.

The more I think about it, the more a “right wing hit job to incite violence against the left/crackdown on freedoms” makes sense. It’s just so easy to get trump to do what he will predictably do.

Of course it could have been some random nutjob. Who knows.

The really frightening thing is political violence is about to become normal in the US again.

Does anyone remember Turning Point USA’s conference in Tampa, Pam Bondi’s home town, where speaker after speaker demanded she be fired or resign because of the Epstein Files? Anyone remember that?

gimmesometruth27 · 1:55PM

Gern Blansten said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

why are we not talking about how the shooter seems to have gotten away?

they said they have him on closed circuit camera. where are the images?

how do people know who they are even supposed to be looking for?

seems very suspect to me.

i am not a conspiracy person, but why has none of that been released?

Patel needs to answer for claiming they already had the guy....that was pathetic

patel is the wrong man for this. i want the shooter caught. patel doesn't even know up from down and he is supposed to be leading on this. sad.

HughFreakingDillon · 2:02PM

gimmesometruth27 said:

seems like with a serious manhunt underway, the feds would want to release any images they have so the public can maybe help them?

we have a shit fbi director. is that why?

They’re busy turning down the contrast on the skin tone.

pdalowsky · 2:06PM

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pdalowsky said:

Everywhere I look there is an undercurrent of people revelling in his death - in every thread on social media there are laughing emoji, comments about him getting what he had coming, snide remarks and it goes on and on.

In the immediate aftermath of the death of a young man, guilty of nothing but debating things openly to all who wanted to engage, a father and husband and these reactions are out there in plain view and numerous, well that speaks volumes of the kind of world we all live in.

Pathetic.

He was pathetic

list of his views:

Charlie Kirk’s Top 11 Most Heinous Statements & Remarks (documented & reported):
1. Said gun deaths are “unfortunately worth it” to preserve the Second Amendment.
2. Called transgender identity a mental disease, needing “brain treatment.”
3. Refused to use people’s correct pronouns: “I will not call a man a woman.”
4. Demanded a nationwide ban on gender-affirming care.
5. Quoted scripture about homosexuality as an “abomination” deserving death.
6. Called Martin Luther King Jr. a “myth” and said the Civil Rights Act was a “huge mistake.”
7. Promoted the “Great Replacement” conspiracy theory.
8. Spread COVID-19 misinformation likening masks and vaccine mandates to “medical apartheid.”
9. Suggested mass incarceration as a fix for the housing crisis.
10. Advocated for public, televised executions even for children to watch.
11. Dismissed Black competence and made demeaning statements about Black women:
He claimed that Michelle Obama and other supporters of affirmative action “lacked the brain processing power” to understand arguments on those policies . He also made undermining comments toward Black pilots, saying, “If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, ’Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’” .

Clearly a cut and paste job from Instagram or similar and I have no desire to fact check this or research the context anything was said within. I'm old enough to know and appreciate that the internet is very good at making shit up and twisting things. But that really isnt the point

Regardless, everyone is entitled to their view. People do not have to agree or disagree with anything. I believe one of the vital freedoms everyone demands these days is to that of free speech

This guy is now dead because of things he said. IMO that cannot be justified, and certainly shouldn't be celebrated. In effect he died, and his kids will grow up with their father because someone got all bent out of shape over words. I just do not see how that can ever be acceptable, or something to take pleasure from.

njhaley1 · 2:06PM

pdalowsky said:

njhaley1 said:

pdalowsky said:

In the immediate aftermath of the senseless death of a young man like Charlie there is seemingly a strong need from both sides to blame the other, or to compare it to another tragedy.

But it is the mocking and obvious satisfaction exhibited from those who didn't agree with him that makes me sick.

It's terrible what happened - as a father of two young children, my kids are getting extra attention this morning before they head to another uncertain day of school.

But at the same time, do you not see the irony of Charlie, on record, dismissing school shootings as the necessary price we pay for our second amendment? Given where he was speaking yesterday?

I'm neither mocking nor satisfied, nor do I think he was in any way deserving of what happened to him yesterday, but the lord sure does work in mysterious ways.

I saw the full context of what he said with that comment however and believe it wasn't quite as it has been made to appear in its shortened form.

My interpretation of what he was saying is that Americans have the right to own a gun to defend themselves, and that didn't translate to Americans should have the right to bear arms and run around murdering people.

I sense that the real issue is that guns are everywhere in the states, and its very difficult to put the genie back in the bottle, the horse has already bolted from the paddock so closing the gate is pointless. The bad guys have guns, and the good guys need to have the right to keep one to make them feel safer.

I'm not stupid and I know its not as simple as that. Guns are the problem here, guns kill people. They are made to kill people or other living things. Its the whole point of them. Put a gun in the hand of an arsehole and it doesn't take a genius to work out the results and consequences.

Ive heard it countless times, that whilst guns are prevalent in wider society, citizens wish to retain their constitutional rights, and I believe Charlie was only suggesting that to enshrine that right people will unfortunately end up dead. He is now one of them. I didn't read into that however that he was championing guns whatsoever, more that he was being realistic as to where America is these days, and that the constitution should be upheld.

If guns could be removed from the wider public fully then we all know America would be a better place. But its just fantastical to even believe that's a possibility. That is also very sad.

If the shooting of little kiddies in their school's hasn't changed that, nothing ever will.

But yes I totally see the irony. I do not however have any belief in a lord

Nor do I, but if I did - the events of yesterday might make me wonder if someone was trying to send me a message that maybe it's not worth the price we pay.

Tim Simmons · 2:06PM

Its almost like you need capable people running agencies and not someone who can post some memes defending you online.

Gern Blansten · 2:09PM

pdalowsky said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pdalowsky said:

Everywhere I look there is an undercurrent of people revelling in his death - in every thread on social media there are laughing emoji, comments about him getting what he had coming, snide remarks and it goes on and on.

In the immediate aftermath of the death of a young man, guilty of nothing but debating things openly to all who wanted to engage, a father and husband and these reactions are out there in plain view and numerous, well that speaks volumes of the kind of world we all live in.

Pathetic.

He was pathetic

list of his views:

Charlie Kirk’s Top 11 Most Heinous Statements & Remarks (documented & reported):
1. Said gun deaths are “unfortunately worth it” to preserve the Second Amendment.
2. Called transgender identity a mental disease, needing “brain treatment.”
3. Refused to use people’s correct pronouns: “I will not call a man a woman.”
4. Demanded a nationwide ban on gender-affirming care.
5. Quoted scripture about homosexuality as an “abomination” deserving death.
6. Called Martin Luther King Jr. a “myth” and said the Civil Rights Act was a “huge mistake.”
7. Promoted the “Great Replacement” conspiracy theory.
8. Spread COVID-19 misinformation likening masks and vaccine mandates to “medical apartheid.”
9. Suggested mass incarceration as a fix for the housing crisis.
10. Advocated for public, televised executions even for children to watch.
11. Dismissed Black competence and made demeaning statements about Black women:
He claimed that Michelle Obama and other supporters of affirmative action “lacked the brain processing power” to understand arguments on those policies . He also made undermining comments toward Black pilots, saying, “If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, ’Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’” .

Clearly a cut and paste job from Instagram or similar and I have no desire to fact check this or research the context anything was said within. I'm old enough to know and appreciate that the internet is very good at making shit up and twisting things. But that really isnt the point

Regardless, everyone is entitled to their view. People do not have to agree or disagree with anything. I believe one of the vital freedoms everyone demands these days is to that of free speech

This guy is now dead because of things he said. IMO that cannot be justified, and certainly shouldn't be celebrated. In effect he died, and his kids will grow up with their father because someone got all bent out of shape over words. I just do not see how that can ever be acceptable, or something to take pleasure from.

You aren't very informed if you don't realize Kirk said all of those things

HughFreakingDillon · 2:10PM

pdalowsky said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pdalowsky said:

Everywhere I look there is an undercurrent of people revelling in his death - in every thread on social media there are laughing emoji, comments about him getting what he had coming, snide remarks and it goes on and on.

In the immediate aftermath of the death of a young man, guilty of nothing but debating things openly to all who wanted to engage, a father and husband and these reactions are out there in plain view and numerous, well that speaks volumes of the kind of world we all live in.

Pathetic.

He was pathetic

list of his views:

Charlie Kirk’s Top 11 Most Heinous Statements & Remarks (documented & reported):
1. Said gun deaths are “unfortunately worth it” to preserve the Second Amendment.
2. Called transgender identity a mental disease, needing “brain treatment.”
3. Refused to use people’s correct pronouns: “I will not call a man a woman.”
4. Demanded a nationwide ban on gender-affirming care.
5. Quoted scripture about homosexuality as an “abomination” deserving death.
6. Called Martin Luther King Jr. a “myth” and said the Civil Rights Act was a “huge mistake.”
7. Promoted the “Great Replacement” conspiracy theory.
8. Spread COVID-19 misinformation likening masks and vaccine mandates to “medical apartheid.”
9. Suggested mass incarceration as a fix for the housing crisis.
10. Advocated for public, televised executions even for children to watch.
11. Dismissed Black competence and made demeaning statements about Black women:
He claimed that Michelle Obama and other supporters of affirmative action “lacked the brain processing power” to understand arguments on those policies . He also made undermining comments toward Black pilots, saying, “If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, ’Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’” .

Clearly a cut and paste job from Instagram or similar and I have no desire to fact check this or research the context anything was said within. I'm old enough to know and appreciate that the internet is very good at making shit up and twisting things. But that really isnt the point

Regardless, everyone is entitled to their view. People do not have to agree or disagree with anything. I believe one of the vital freedoms everyone demands these days is to that of free speech

This guy is now dead because of things he said. IMO that cannot be justified, and certainly shouldn't be celebrated. In effect he died, and his kids will grow up with their father because someone got all bent out of shape over words. I just do not see how that can ever be acceptable, or something to take pleasure from.

All of these things are true.

Hate speech is wrong.

Murder is wrong.

Indifference is not celebration nor is pointing out he was a terrible person a justification.

pdalowsky · 2:15PM

HughFreakingDillon said:

pdalowsky said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pdalowsky said:

Everywhere I look there is an undercurrent of people revelling in his death - in every thread on social media there are laughing emoji, comments about him getting what he had coming, snide remarks and it goes on and on.

In the immediate aftermath of the death of a young man, guilty of nothing but debating things openly to all who wanted to engage, a father and husband and these reactions are out there in plain view and numerous, well that speaks volumes of the kind of world we all live in.

Pathetic.

He was pathetic

list of his views:

Charlie Kirk’s Top 11 Most Heinous Statements & Remarks (documented & reported):
1. Said gun deaths are “unfortunately worth it” to preserve the Second Amendment.
2. Called transgender identity a mental disease, needing “brain treatment.”
3. Refused to use people’s correct pronouns: “I will not call a man a woman.”
4. Demanded a nationwide ban on gender-affirming care.
5. Quoted scripture about homosexuality as an “abomination” deserving death.
6. Called Martin Luther King Jr. a “myth” and said the Civil Rights Act was a “huge mistake.”
7. Promoted the “Great Replacement” conspiracy theory.
8. Spread COVID-19 misinformation likening masks and vaccine mandates to “medical apartheid.”
9. Suggested mass incarceration as a fix for the housing crisis.
10. Advocated for public, televised executions even for children to watch.
11. Dismissed Black competence and made demeaning statements about Black women:
He claimed that Michelle Obama and other supporters of affirmative action “lacked the brain processing power” to understand arguments on those policies . He also made undermining comments toward Black pilots, saying, “If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, ’Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’” .

Clearly a cut and paste job from Instagram or similar and I have no desire to fact check this or research the context anything was said within. I'm old enough to know and appreciate that the internet is very good at making shit up and twisting things. But that really isnt the point

Regardless, everyone is entitled to their view. People do not have to agree or disagree with anything. I believe one of the vital freedoms everyone demands these days is to that of free speech

This guy is now dead because of things he said. IMO that cannot be justified, and certainly shouldn't be celebrated. In effect he died, and his kids will grow up with their father because someone got all bent out of shape over words. I just do not see how that can ever be acceptable, or something to take pleasure from.

All of these things are true.

Hate speech is wrong.

Murder is wrong.

Indifference is not celebration nor is pointing out he was a terrible person a justification.

Couldnt agree more on the indifference point.

But it isn't the indifference that is the issue, its people genuinely celebrating this mans death. I can not reconcile that at all.

Gern Blansten · 2:16PM

Sounds like they are making progress on the shooter

Rifle found in the woods nearby. Shoe print, palm print found. Looking for a college age person

nicknyr15 · 2:16PM

pdalowsky said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pdalowsky said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pdalowsky said:

Everywhere I look there is an undercurrent of people revelling in his death - in every thread on social media there are laughing emoji, comments about him getting what he had coming, snide remarks and it goes on and on.

In the immediate aftermath of the death of a young man, guilty of nothing but debating things openly to all who wanted to engage, a father and husband and these reactions are out there in plain view and numerous, well that speaks volumes of the kind of world we all live in.

Pathetic.

He was pathetic

list of his views:

Charlie Kirk’s Top 11 Most Heinous Statements & Remarks (documented & reported):
1. Said gun deaths are “unfortunately worth it” to preserve the Second Amendment.
2. Called transgender identity a mental disease, needing “brain treatment.”
3. Refused to use people’s correct pronouns: “I will not call a man a woman.”
4. Demanded a nationwide ban on gender-affirming care.
5. Quoted scripture about homosexuality as an “abomination” deserving death.
6. Called Martin Luther King Jr. a “myth” and said the Civil Rights Act was a “huge mistake.”
7. Promoted the “Great Replacement” conspiracy theory.
8. Spread COVID-19 misinformation likening masks and vaccine mandates to “medical apartheid.”
9. Suggested mass incarceration as a fix for the housing crisis.
10. Advocated for public, televised executions even for children to watch.
11. Dismissed Black competence and made demeaning statements about Black women:
He claimed that Michelle Obama and other supporters of affirmative action “lacked the brain processing power” to understand arguments on those policies . He also made undermining comments toward Black pilots, saying, “If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, ’Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’” .

Clearly a cut and paste job from Instagram or similar and I have no desire to fact check this or research the context anything was said within. I'm old enough to know and appreciate that the internet is very good at making shit up and twisting things. But that really isnt the point

Regardless, everyone is entitled to their view. People do not have to agree or disagree with anything. I believe one of the vital freedoms everyone demands these days is to that of free speech

This guy is now dead because of things he said. IMO that cannot be justified, and certainly shouldn't be celebrated. In effect he died, and his kids will grow up with their father because someone got all bent out of shape over words. I just do not see how that can ever be acceptable, or something to take pleasure from.

All of these things are true.

Hate speech is wrong.

Murder is wrong.

Indifference is not celebration nor is pointing out he was a terrible person a justification.

Couldnt agree more on the indifference point.

But it isn't the indifference that is the issue, its people genuinely celebrating this mans death. I can not reconcile that at all.

There’s a whole lot of hateful, despicable people in this world.

mickeyrat · 2:18PM

Police search for sniper who killed conservative activist Charlie Kirk in Utah - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/police-search-sniper-who-killed-conservative-activist-charlie-kirk-utah-2025-09-11/

mickeyrat · 2:19PM

mickeyrat said:

Police search for sniper who killed conservative activist Charlie Kirk in Utah - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/police-search-sniper-who-killed-conservative-activist-charlie-kirk-utah-2025-09-11/

Vance skipping a 9/11 event in nyc to be with kirks family.

I believe the former outweighs the latter

Gern Blansten · 2:21PM

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

Police search for sniper who killed conservative activist Charlie Kirk in Utah - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/police-search-sniper-who-killed-conservative-activist-charlie-kirk-utah-2025-09-11/

Vance skipping a 9/11 event in nyc to be with kirks family.

I believe the former outweighs the latter

trump is going to give him the medal of freedom....ala Limbaugh

mace1229 · 2:21PM

gimmesometruth27 said:

why are we not talking about how the shooter seems to have gotten away?

they said they have him on closed circuit camera. where are the images?

how do people know who they are even supposed to be looking for?

seems very suspect to me.

i am not a conspiracy person, but why has none of that been released?

Yeah, the fact they didn't have him within a few hours is kinda shocking to me with all the resources that would have been available at that level.

nicknyr15 · 2:27PM

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

Police search for sniper who killed conservative activist Charlie Kirk in Utah - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/police-search-sniper-who-killed-conservative-activist-charlie-kirk-utah-2025-09-11/

Vance skipping a 9/11 event in nyc to be with kirks family.

I believe the former outweighs the latter

I’m sure it means more to Kirk’s family than it does to the people of NYC who most likely hate him.

gimmesometruth27 · 2:28PM

pdalowsky said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pdalowsky said:

Everywhere I look there is an undercurrent of people revelling in his death - in every thread on social media there are laughing emoji, comments about him getting what he had coming, snide remarks and it goes on and on.

In the immediate aftermath of the death of a young man, guilty of nothing but debating things openly to all who wanted to engage, a father and husband and these reactions are out there in plain view and numerous, well that speaks volumes of the kind of world we all live in.

Pathetic.

He was pathetic

list of his views:

Charlie Kirk’s Top 11 Most Heinous Statements & Remarks (documented & reported):
1. Said gun deaths are “unfortunately worth it” to preserve the Second Amendment.
2. Called transgender identity a mental disease, needing “brain treatment.”
3. Refused to use people’s correct pronouns: “I will not call a man a woman.”
4. Demanded a nationwide ban on gender-affirming care.
5. Quoted scripture about homosexuality as an “abomination” deserving death.
6. Called Martin Luther King Jr. a “myth” and said the Civil Rights Act was a “huge mistake.”
7. Promoted the “Great Replacement” conspiracy theory.
8. Spread COVID-19 misinformation likening masks and vaccine mandates to “medical apartheid.”
9. Suggested mass incarceration as a fix for the housing crisis.
10. Advocated for public, televised executions even for children to watch.
11. Dismissed Black competence and made demeaning statements about Black women:
He claimed that Michelle Obama and other supporters of affirmative action “lacked the brain processing power” to understand arguments on those policies . He also made undermining comments toward Black pilots, saying, “If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, ’Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’” .

Clearly a cut and paste job from Instagram or similar and I have no desire to fact check this or research the context anything was said within. I'm old enough to know and appreciate that the internet is very good at making shit up and twisting things. But that really isnt the point

Regardless, everyone is entitled to their view. People do not have to agree or disagree with anything. I believe one of the vital freedoms everyone demands these days is to that of free speech

This guy is now dead because of things he said. IMO that cannot be justified, and certainly shouldn't be celebrated. In effect he died, and his kids will grow up with their father because someone got all bent out of shape over words. I just do not see how that can ever be acceptable, or something to take pleasure from.

you do not know what the motive was. stop it.

gimmesometruth27 · 2:30PM

Gern Blansten said:

Sounds like they are making progress on the shooter

Rifle found in the woods nearby. Shoe print, palm print found. Looking for a college age person

well that is progress at least. i want to see the images that they say they have on closed circuit tv. normally that is the first thing that comes out in this situation. usually before they apprehend the wrong person, twice.

Guns.

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