Guns.

gimmesometruth27

HughFreakingDillon said:

Whoever predicted it, you win

he gives these out like candy. usually to the worst of us. rush, rudy, etc.

gimmesometruth27

HughFreakingDillon said:

When I think of that in terms of:
-2 football fields
-elevated
-open air (accounting for wind)
-kill shot target
-single opportunity

Even not knowing much about guns/hunting, that’s a pro. 

the analyst i saw last night talking about this said "an average shooter could have done this". i was pretty impressed until the guy said that. i though pro as well. 

HughFreakingDillon

gimmesometruth27 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

When I think of that in terms of:
-2 football fields
-elevated
-open air (accounting for wind)
-kill shot target
-single opportunity

Even not knowing much about guns/hunting, that’s a pro. 

the analyst i saw last night talking about this said "an average shooter could have done this". i was pretty impressed until the guy said that. i though pro as well. 

Kill shot from 200 yards? An average shooter? That’s scary AF then

Spiritual_Chaos

pdalowsky said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pdalowsky said:

Everywhere I look there is an undercurrent of people revelling in his death - in every thread on social media there are laughing emoji, comments about him getting what he had coming, snide remarks and it goes on and on. 

In the immediate aftermath of the death of a young man, guilty of nothing but debating things openly to all who wanted to engage, a father and husband and these reactions are out there in plain view and numerous, well that speaks volumes of the kind of world we all live in. 

Pathetic. 

He was pathetic

list of his views:

Charlie Kirk’s Top 11 Most Heinous Statements & Remarks (documented & reported):

 1. Said gun deaths are “unfortunately worth it” to preserve the Second Amendment.

 2. Called transgender identity a mental disease, needing “brain treatment.”

 3. Refused to use people’s correct pronouns: “I will not call a man a woman.”

 4. Demanded a nationwide ban on gender-affirming care.

 5. Quoted scripture about homosexuality as an “abomination” deserving death.

 6. Called Martin Luther King Jr. a “myth” and said the Civil Rights Act was a “huge mistake.”

 7. Promoted the “Great Replacement” conspiracy theory.

 8. Spread COVID-19 misinformation likening masks and vaccine mandates to “medical apartheid.”

 9. Suggested mass incarceration as a fix for the housing crisis.

 10. Advocated for public, televised executions even for children to watch.

 11. Dismissed Black competence and made demeaning statements about Black women:

He claimed that Michelle Obama and other supporters of affirmative action “lacked the brain processing power” to understand arguments on those policies . He also made undermining comments toward Black pilots, saying, “If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, ’Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’” .

Clearly a cut and paste job from Instagram or similar and I have no desire to fact check this or research the context anything was said within. I'm old enough to know and appreciate that the internet is very good at making shit up and twisting things. But that really isnt the point

Regardless, everyone is entitled to their view. People do not have to agree or disagree with anything. I believe one of the vital freedoms everyone demands these days is to that of free speech

This guy is now dead because of things he said. IMO that cannot be justified, and certainly shouldn't be celebrated. In effect he died, and his kids will grow up with their father because someone got all bent out of shape over words. I just do not see how that can ever be acceptable, or something to take pleasure from. 

Yes. Clearly a cut and paste job. Quite suspicious though if one would be of the belief that those things are outside the realm of things that POS would say/believe, and need to muddle things with "hey, things on the internet...". What does ockhams razor tell you?

Also. Not caring if he's gone is not the same as celebrating a murder.

I also, don't see why a de facto nazi-dad would give a better net outcome on young kids than not having a dad. So the best thing, would be a Charlie Kirk who's alive but without his piece of shit racist belief system, or a really good stepdad coming in who doesn't have a piece of shit racist belief system and the kids feeling that "dad is such a whacko. We researched the contexts of what he believed, and yikes".

I don't think nazi dads are a good thing for kids to be around. Maybe you do. To each his own.

Tim Simmons

totally normal reaction

mace1229

mrussel1 said:

Also, I'm surprised he is using a bolt action rifle.  That seems like an enthusiast, along with the fact that he had a kill shot from 200 yards.  One would think this is someone with experience.  

They're also very cheap. Oswald used one because it was cheap and accessible. You can get one at big 5 for a couple hundred bucks. 200 yards isn't really that far with a scope and ideal conditions and you're aiming for the torso. Not an easy shot, but not trained elite sniper level either. He was shot in the neck, highly doubt that's where he was aiming.

HughFreakingDillon

Charlie’s thoughts on George Floyd echo my thoughts on Charlie: 

he said of Floyd: “George Floyd is not a hero. He was a scumbag. He should not be celebrated.”

Gern Blansten

tempo_n_groove said:

So the conspiracy theories have already surfaced on Social Media claiming it's an inside job and that the shooter was indeed a sniper.

I have also seen posts people are resending of EVERY NFL team and a superstar claiming to donate 350K for murals etc and for his daughters future to be looked after.

christ he was a millionaire...his family is fine

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

When I think of that in terms of:
-2 football fields
-elevated
-open air (accounting for wind)
-kill shot target
-single opportunity

Even not knowing much about guns/hunting, that’s a pro. 

yeah the single shot to the neck sure seems like a hunter...crazy stuff

tempo_n_groove

Tim Simmons said:

totally normal reaction

These people spouting on social media platforms would all soil themselves and hide if civil war really came about...

tempo_n_groove

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So the conspiracy theories have already surfaced on Social Media claiming it's an inside job and that the shooter was indeed a sniper.

I have also seen posts people are resending of EVERY NFL team and a superstar claiming to donate 350K for murals etc and for his daughters future to be looked after.

christ he was a millionaire...his family is fine

I forgot to mention that all of those NFL posts are fake.

Sorry.

Gern Blansten

Reports that "phrases" were found on rifle/ammo....not sure what yet

HughFreakingDillon

Gern Blansten said:

Reports that "phrases" were found on rifle/ammo....not sure what yet

"cultural phrases". very vague. they obviously don't want to release them before they know what they mean, for fear one of the mobs runs away with it

nicknyr15

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pdalowsky said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pdalowsky said:

Everywhere I look there is an undercurrent of people revelling in his death - in every thread on social media there are laughing emoji, comments about him getting what he had coming, snide remarks and it goes on and on. 

In the immediate aftermath of the death of a young man, guilty of nothing but debating things openly to all who wanted to engage, a father and husband and these reactions are out there in plain view and numerous, well that speaks volumes of the kind of world we all live in. 

Pathetic. 

He was pathetic

list of his views:

Charlie Kirk’s Top 11 Most Heinous Statements & Remarks (documented & reported):

 1. Said gun deaths are “unfortunately worth it” to preserve the Second Amendment.

 2. Called transgender identity a mental disease, needing “brain treatment.”

 3. Refused to use people’s correct pronouns: “I will not call a man a woman.”

 4. Demanded a nationwide ban on gender-affirming care.

 5. Quoted scripture about homosexuality as an “abomination” deserving death.

 6. Called Martin Luther King Jr. a “myth” and said the Civil Rights Act was a “huge mistake.”

 7. Promoted the “Great Replacement” conspiracy theory.

 8. Spread COVID-19 misinformation likening masks and vaccine mandates to “medical apartheid.”

 9. Suggested mass incarceration as a fix for the housing crisis.

 10. Advocated for public, televised executions even for children to watch.

 11. Dismissed Black competence and made demeaning statements about Black women:

He claimed that Michelle Obama and other supporters of affirmative action “lacked the brain processing power” to understand arguments on those policies . He also made undermining comments toward Black pilots, saying, “If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, ’Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’” .

Clearly a cut and paste job from Instagram or similar and I have no desire to fact check this or research the context anything was said within. I'm old enough to know and appreciate that the internet is very good at making shit up and twisting things. But that really isnt the point

Regardless, everyone is entitled to their view. People do not have to agree or disagree with anything. I believe one of the vital freedoms everyone demands these days is to that of free speech

This guy is now dead because of things he said. IMO that cannot be justified, and certainly shouldn't be celebrated. In effect he died, and his kids will grow up with their father because someone got all bent out of shape over words. I just do not see how that can ever be acceptable, or something to take pleasure from. 

Yes. Clearly a cut and paste job. Quite suspicious though if one would be of the belief that those things are outside the realm of things that POS would say/believe, and need to muddle things with "hey, things on the internet...". What does ockhams razor tell you?

Also. Not caring if he's gone is not the same as celebrating a murder.

I also, don't see why a de facto nazi-dad would give a better net outcome on young kids than not having a dad. So the best thing, would be a Charlie Kirk who's alive but without his piece of shit racist belief system, or a really good stepdad coming in who doesn't have a piece of shit racist belief system and the kids feeling that "dad is such a whacko. We researched the contexts of what he believed, and yikes".

I don't think nazi dads are a good thing for kids to be around. Maybe you do. To each his own.

Garbage 

tbergs

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

Reports that "phrases" were found on rifle/ammo....not sure what yet

"cultural phrases". very vague. they obviously don't want to release them before they know what they mean, for fear one of the mobs runs away with it

Or Trump just tweets it. Patel probably has to personally call Trump every 15 minutes while Vance consoles the family by threatening retaliation against the left. The whole response by this admin is like mob behavior. Send the 2nd in charge to take care of the family while big Donny sics Kash and Bongo on the suspect and riles up the rest of the MAGA family with promises of honor and vengeance.

njhaley1

Tim Simmons said:

totally normal reaction

Terrifying that there's no one there to put some of these people on a list. 

These are the people making the list. 

nicknyr15

njhaley1 said:

Tim Simmons said:

totally normal reaction

Terrifying that there's no one there to put some of these people on a list. 

These are the people making the list. 

I mean, is anyone surprised by the celebratory reaction by some and the threats of retaliation from the others? This is “normal” now. 

tbergs

nicknyr15 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pdalowsky said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pdalowsky said:

Everywhere I look there is an undercurrent of people revelling in his death - in every thread on social media there are laughing emoji, comments about him getting what he had coming, snide remarks and it goes on and on. 

In the immediate aftermath of the death of a young man, guilty of nothing but debating things openly to all who wanted to engage, a father and husband and these reactions are out there in plain view and numerous, well that speaks volumes of the kind of world we all live in. 

Pathetic. 

He was pathetic

list of his views:

Charlie Kirk’s Top 11 Most Heinous Statements & Remarks (documented & reported):

 1. Said gun deaths are “unfortunately worth it” to preserve the Second Amendment.

 2. Called transgender identity a mental disease, needing “brain treatment.”

 3. Refused to use people’s correct pronouns: “I will not call a man a woman.”

 4. Demanded a nationwide ban on gender-affirming care.

 5. Quoted scripture about homosexuality as an “abomination” deserving death.

 6. Called Martin Luther King Jr. a “myth” and said the Civil Rights Act was a “huge mistake.”

 7. Promoted the “Great Replacement” conspiracy theory.

 8. Spread COVID-19 misinformation likening masks and vaccine mandates to “medical apartheid.”

 9. Suggested mass incarceration as a fix for the housing crisis.

 10. Advocated for public, televised executions even for children to watch.

 11. Dismissed Black competence and made demeaning statements about Black women:

He claimed that Michelle Obama and other supporters of affirmative action “lacked the brain processing power” to understand arguments on those policies . He also made undermining comments toward Black pilots, saying, “If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, ’Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’” .

Clearly a cut and paste job from Instagram or similar and I have no desire to fact check this or research the context anything was said within. I'm old enough to know and appreciate that the internet is very good at making shit up and twisting things. But that really isnt the point

Regardless, everyone is entitled to their view. People do not have to agree or disagree with anything. I believe one of the vital freedoms everyone demands these days is to that of free speech

This guy is now dead because of things he said. IMO that cannot be justified, and certainly shouldn't be celebrated. In effect he died, and his kids will grow up with their father because someone got all bent out of shape over words. I just do not see how that can ever be acceptable, or something to take pleasure from. 

Yes. Clearly a cut and paste job. Quite suspicious though if one would be of the belief that those things are outside the realm of things that POS would say/believe, and need to muddle things with "hey, things on the internet...". What does ockhams razor tell you?

Also. Not caring if he's gone is not the same as celebrating a murder.

I also, don't see why a de facto nazi-dad would give a better net outcome on young kids than not having a dad. So the best thing, would be a Charlie Kirk who's alive but without his piece of shit racist belief system, or a really good stepdad coming in who doesn't have a piece of shit racist belief system and the kids feeling that "dad is such a whacko. We researched the contexts of what he believed, and yikes".

I don't think nazi dads are a good thing for kids to be around. Maybe you do. To each his own.

Garbage 

I hear you and I also think this is a very complicated scenario. It's a question of is a toxic hateful ideology as detrimental to children as having a parent who is emotionally and physically abusive to their spouse involved in the children's lives? How you raise your children is a taboo topic, but I also think it begs the question of what does it mean to be a decent parent/role model? I certainly wouldn't want my children being taught the belief system on other humans that Kirk espoused publicly, but does that mean he's a bad father? Eh, no? Maybe? If I'm raising kids and I am not a compassionate person who values different lifestyles and expresses to my children that women's role is to serve her husband, a certain gender/race is intellectually inferior and the deaths of innocent people is all part of unrestricted gun rights, well, yeah, I think that's terrible.

And to be clear, I still don't think that means they should be killed or that their murder is a good thing. I'm arguing the merits of what is/isn't good qualities of parenting.

nicknyr15

tbergs said:

nicknyr15 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pdalowsky said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pdalowsky said:

Everywhere I look there is an undercurrent of people revelling in his death - in every thread on social media there are laughing emoji, comments about him getting what he had coming, snide remarks and it goes on and on. 

In the immediate aftermath of the death of a young man, guilty of nothing but debating things openly to all who wanted to engage, a father and husband and these reactions are out there in plain view and numerous, well that speaks volumes of the kind of world we all live in. 

Pathetic. 

He was pathetic

list of his views:

Charlie Kirk’s Top 11 Most Heinous Statements & Remarks (documented & reported):

 1. Said gun deaths are “unfortunately worth it” to preserve the Second Amendment.

 2. Called transgender identity a mental disease, needing “brain treatment.”

 3. Refused to use people’s correct pronouns: “I will not call a man a woman.”

 4. Demanded a nationwide ban on gender-affirming care.

 5. Quoted scripture about homosexuality as an “abomination” deserving death.

 6. Called Martin Luther King Jr. a “myth” and said the Civil Rights Act was a “huge mistake.”

 7. Promoted the “Great Replacement” conspiracy theory.

 8. Spread COVID-19 misinformation likening masks and vaccine mandates to “medical apartheid.”

 9. Suggested mass incarceration as a fix for the housing crisis.

 10. Advocated for public, televised executions even for children to watch.

 11. Dismissed Black competence and made demeaning statements about Black women:

He claimed that Michelle Obama and other supporters of affirmative action “lacked the brain processing power” to understand arguments on those policies . He also made undermining comments toward Black pilots, saying, “If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, ’Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’” .

Clearly a cut and paste job from Instagram or similar and I have no desire to fact check this or research the context anything was said within. I'm old enough to know and appreciate that the internet is very good at making shit up and twisting things. But that really isnt the point

Regardless, everyone is entitled to their view. People do not have to agree or disagree with anything. I believe one of the vital freedoms everyone demands these days is to that of free speech

This guy is now dead because of things he said. IMO that cannot be justified, and certainly shouldn't be celebrated. In effect he died, and his kids will grow up with their father because someone got all bent out of shape over words. I just do not see how that can ever be acceptable, or something to take pleasure from. 

Yes. Clearly a cut and paste job. Quite suspicious though if one would be of the belief that those things are outside the realm of things that POS would say/believe, and need to muddle things with "hey, things on the internet...". What does ockhams razor tell you?

Also. Not caring if he's gone is not the same as celebrating a murder.

I also, don't see why a de facto nazi-dad would give a better net outcome on young kids than not having a dad. So the best thing, would be a Charlie Kirk who's alive but without his piece of shit racist belief system, or a really good stepdad coming in who doesn't have a piece of shit racist belief system and the kids feeling that "dad is such a whacko. We researched the contexts of what he believed, and yikes".

I don't think nazi dads are a good thing for kids to be around. Maybe you do. To each his own.

Garbage 

I hear you and I also think this is a very complicated scenario. It's a question of is a toxic hateful ideology as detrimental to children as having a parent who is emotionally and physically abusive to their spouse involved in the children's lives? How you raise your children is a taboo topic, but I also think it begs the question of what does it mean to be a decent parent/role model? I certainly wouldn't want my children being taught the belief system on other humans that Kirk espoused publicly, but does that mean he's a bad father? Eh, no? Maybe? If I'm raising kids and I am not a compassionate person who values different lifestyles and expresses to my children that women's role is to serve her husband, a certain gender/race is intellectually inferior and the deaths of innocent people is all part of unrestricted gun rights, well, yeah, I think that's terrible.

And to be clear, I still don't think that means they should be killed or that their murder is a good thing. I'm arguing the merits of what is/isn't good qualities of parenting.

I hear you. I just can’t help to feel awful for those kids and his wife. Regardless of his beliefs. Also I just saw the clip of his little daughter running to him when he was on some morning show…. Then come here to read that comment. I know people feel safe spouting anything here but sometimes I’d wish shit like that would stay in their head. 

Gern Blansten

nicknyr15 said:

tbergs said:

nicknyr15 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pdalowsky said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pdalowsky said:

Everywhere I look there is an undercurrent of people revelling in his death - in every thread on social media there are laughing emoji, comments about him getting what he had coming, snide remarks and it goes on and on. 

In the immediate aftermath of the death of a young man, guilty of nothing but debating things openly to all who wanted to engage, a father and husband and these reactions are out there in plain view and numerous, well that speaks volumes of the kind of world we all live in. 

Pathetic. 

He was pathetic

list of his views:

Charlie Kirk’s Top 11 Most Heinous Statements & Remarks (documented & reported):

 1. Said gun deaths are “unfortunately worth it” to preserve the Second Amendment.

 2. Called transgender identity a mental disease, needing “brain treatment.”

 3. Refused to use people’s correct pronouns: “I will not call a man a woman.”

 4. Demanded a nationwide ban on gender-affirming care.

 5. Quoted scripture about homosexuality as an “abomination” deserving death.

 6. Called Martin Luther King Jr. a “myth” and said the Civil Rights Act was a “huge mistake.”

 7. Promoted the “Great Replacement” conspiracy theory.

 8. Spread COVID-19 misinformation likening masks and vaccine mandates to “medical apartheid.”

 9. Suggested mass incarceration as a fix for the housing crisis.

 10. Advocated for public, televised executions even for children to watch.

 11. Dismissed Black competence and made demeaning statements about Black women:

He claimed that Michelle Obama and other supporters of affirmative action “lacked the brain processing power” to understand arguments on those policies . He also made undermining comments toward Black pilots, saying, “If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, ’Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’” .

Clearly a cut and paste job from Instagram or similar and I have no desire to fact check this or research the context anything was said within. I'm old enough to know and appreciate that the internet is very good at making shit up and twisting things. But that really isnt the point

Regardless, everyone is entitled to their view. People do not have to agree or disagree with anything. I believe one of the vital freedoms everyone demands these days is to that of free speech

This guy is now dead because of things he said. IMO that cannot be justified, and certainly shouldn't be celebrated. In effect he died, and his kids will grow up with their father because someone got all bent out of shape over words. I just do not see how that can ever be acceptable, or something to take pleasure from. 

Yes. Clearly a cut and paste job. Quite suspicious though if one would be of the belief that those things are outside the realm of things that POS would say/believe, and need to muddle things with "hey, things on the internet...". What does ockhams razor tell you?

Also. Not caring if he's gone is not the same as celebrating a murder.

I also, don't see why a de facto nazi-dad would give a better net outcome on young kids than not having a dad. So the best thing, would be a Charlie Kirk who's alive but without his piece of shit racist belief system, or a really good stepdad coming in who doesn't have a piece of shit racist belief system and the kids feeling that "dad is such a whacko. We researched the contexts of what he believed, and yikes".

I don't think nazi dads are a good thing for kids to be around. Maybe you do. To each his own.

Garbage 

I hear you and I also think this is a very complicated scenario. It's a question of is a toxic hateful ideology as detrimental to children as having a parent who is emotionally and physically abusive to their spouse involved in the children's lives? How you raise your children is a taboo topic, but I also think it begs the question of what does it mean to be a decent parent/role model? I certainly wouldn't want my children being taught the belief system on other humans that Kirk espoused publicly, but does that mean he's a bad father? Eh, no? Maybe? If I'm raising kids and I am not a compassionate person who values different lifestyles and expresses to my children that women's role is to serve her husband, a certain gender/race is intellectually inferior and the deaths of innocent people is all part of unrestricted gun rights, well, yeah, I think that's terrible.

And to be clear, I still don't think that means they should be killed or that their murder is a good thing. I'm arguing the merits of what is/isn't good qualities of parenting.

I hear you. I just can’t help to feel awful for those kids and his wife. Regardless of his beliefs. Also I just saw the clip of his little daughter running to him when he was on some morning show…. Then come here to read that comment. I know people feel safe spouting anything here but sometimes I’d wish shit like that would stay in their head. 

Well...some of us wish a lot of the hateful shit Kirk said would have stayed in his head but he made millions from it.