curmudgeoness said:

AW124797 said:

Tim Simmons said:

AW124797 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Stop being dramatic. No one is suggestion forced vaccinations or quarantining. The vaccines are safe and effective and mitigate more severe infections. There’s nothing wrong with positing that maybe we think about other people instead of just ourselves when it comes to dealing with illness. Especially if it all it takes is doing the bare minimum at next to no risk to yourself. 

Wait, is this suggesting, wishing or hoping? Help me out here. 

curmudgeoness said:

....But shit like cigarette smoke and Covid droplets enter my nose and make me sick, and I take issue with that. You do not have the right to make me or anyone else sick. I view availing oneself of vaccinations as a basic civil duty. Why can/should we not argue that anti-vaxxers should be isolated, instead? Seriously -- if you're determined to be an unrepentant plague vector, why should the rest of society be expected to accommodate you?

Wishing/hoping that people would be considerate of others. 

Let's try again. What is Why can/should we not argue that anti-vaxxers should be isolated, instead? Seriously -  ?

Seriously, it is a response to "Why can't the people worried about getting sick just stay in their basements?" You asked a -- presumed -- hypothetical, and I am asking *you* why we should cater to bullies and jackasses. Why are *you* outraged by the suggestion that the standard you recommended for others, whom you labeled "phobic," could just as easily be flipped and applied to you? That's not logically consistent. Why is it okay to isolate those afraid of catching a serious disease (by the way -- do you not know anyone with health problems?!? Many already curtail their movements out of necessity!) but outrageous and insane to suggest, instead, isolating people who are intent on spreading disease? If you're entertaining the former solution, you must also consider the advantages of the latter, otherwise you are merely suggesting privileging people who share your worldview over others.

Just because *you* thought Covid was like a "common cold" (which, again, before Prevnar, a common cold stayed with me for months...) even though over a million people in the US died from it -- doesn't mean that it was "just a cold" for everyone else. And -- you are aware that quarantine and isolation are not new concepts developed by the libs in 2020, aren't you? It's common freaking sense to limit the spread of disease, especially a new disease when information about mortality and long-term effects is not readily available (original estimates for Covid gave, I think, a 5% mortality rate; that's serious shit). I cannot wrap my head around outrage over very basic public health concepts that have been with us for, literally, thousands of years. You want to talk about how silly it was for California to close the beaches? I didn't like that, myself. Should blue states have found ways to get kids back in school sooner? Possibly, yes! But the idea that people should just be allowed to wantonly spread disease because ... reasons? That's a non-starter.

So, again: I sure would like to be on the rail in front of Mike at a show, but I don't see the point of camping out and waiting in line for hours and hours. Why can't I just push my way to the front? That's way more convenient for me; why should I have to inconvenience myself by spending my valuable time waiting in the GA line just because other people said that's how it's done? Based on what you're saying, it would be wrong for those poor fools who camped out for two days to yell at me and tell me to go to the back of the line, because if they're so worried about how other people are behaving, maybe they should just stay home. I don't think that tactic would be well received.

In a pandemic, availing oneself of vaccinations is a basic civic duty. Period. You do not have the right to endanger others. You also do not have the right to shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater, nor do you have the right to incite violence, or to use your AR for target practice in a residential area, or to drive the wrong way on the freeway because there's a backup and you're in a big hurry. I do love civil liberties, but all of the above actions infringe on the rights and freedoms of others, and that's not okay!

Finally: I spent nearly a year taking a dear elderly friend her groceries, until she was fully vaccinated against Covid. We spent a lot of time talking over those months, and one time she said "By the time you get to be my age, everyone has something wrong with them." Growing old is a privilege. I was at the Pittsburgh shows: much less smoky than the first shows I went to, far fewer drunks, nobody around me strung out on acid. We're all getting old/er. Perhaps you are the unusually lucky exception. Perhaps you have elite-level fitness, normal blood pressure and cholesterol, no history of smoking, no chronic diseases, no wonky family history. Perhaps. That's highly unlikely, but it's possible. If so, well, one of these days, that will change. Maybe it won't bother you if people around you react to your health problems with a shrug and "Sucks to be you, but I'm not changing what I'm doing just because you have XYZ." I don't know.

But I, personally, would rather live in a society where other people hold the door for an elderly person, or summon help for someone having a heart attack, or do really basic things to respect the well-being of others.  It sure would be *nice* if people stayed the hell at home when they have colds, and I had hoped that the pandemic would engender some empathy in others. But the fact that we're still having this debate five years later tells me that's not happening. That's fucking depressing, but here we are.

curmudgeoness said:

AW124797 said:

Tim Simmons said:

AW124797 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Stop being dramatic. No one is suggestion forced vaccinations or quarantining. The vaccines are safe and effective and mitigate more severe infections. There’s nothing wrong with positing that maybe we think about other people instead of just ourselves when it comes to dealing with illness. Especially if it all it takes is doing the bare minimum at next to no risk to yourself. 

Wait, is this suggesting, wishing or hoping? Help me out here. 

curmudgeoness said:

....But shit like cigarette smoke and Covid droplets enter my nose and make me sick, and I take issue with that. You do not have the right to make me or anyone else sick. I view availing oneself of vaccinations as a basic civil duty. Why can/should we not argue that anti-vaxxers should be isolated, instead? Seriously -- if you're determined to be an unrepentant plague vector, why should the rest of society be expected to accommodate you?

Wishing/hoping that people would be considerate of others. 

Let's try again. What is Why can/should we not argue that anti-vaxxers should be isolated, instead? Seriously -  ?

Seriously, it is a response to "Why can't the people worried about getting sick just stay in their basements?" You asked a -- presumed -- hypothetical, and I am asking *you* why we should cater to bullies and jackasses. Why are *you* outraged by the suggestion that the standard you recommended for others, whom you labeled "phobic," could just as easily be flipped and applied to you? That's not logically consistent. Why is it okay to isolate those afraid of catching a serious disease (by the way -- do you not know anyone with health problems?!? Many already curtail their movements out of necessity!) but outrageous and insane to suggest, instead, isolating people who are intent on spreading disease? If you're entertaining the former solution, you must also consider the advantages of the latter, otherwise you are merely suggesting privileging people who share your worldview over others.

Just because *you* thought Covid was like a "common cold" (which, again, before Prevnar, a common cold stayed with me for months...) even though over a million people in the US died from it -- doesn't mean that it was "just a cold" for everyone else. And -- you are aware that quarantine and isolation are not new concepts developed by the libs in 2020, aren't you? It's common freaking sense to limit the spread of disease, especially a new disease when information about mortality and long-term effects is not readily available (original estimates for Covid gave, I think, a 5% mortality rate; that's serious shit). I cannot wrap my head around outrage over very basic public health concepts that have been with us for, literally, thousands of years. You want to talk about how silly it was for California to close the beaches? I didn't like that, myself. Should blue states have found ways to get kids back in school sooner? Possibly, yes! But the idea that people should just be allowed to wantonly spread disease because ... reasons? That's a non-starter.

So, again: I sure would like to be on the rail in front of Mike at a show, but I don't see the point of camping out and waiting in line for hours and hours. Why can't I just push my way to the front? That's way more convenient for me; why should I have to inconvenience myself by spending my valuable time waiting in the GA line just because other people said that's how it's done? Based on what you're saying, it would be wrong for those poor fools who camped out for two days to yell at me and tell me to go to the back of the line, because if they're so worried about how other people are behaving, maybe they should just stay home. I don't think that tactic would be well received.

In a pandemic, availing oneself of vaccinations is a basic civic duty. Period. You do not have the right to endanger others. You also do not have the right to shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater, nor do you have the right to incite violence, or to use your AR for target practice in a residential area, or to drive the wrong way on the freeway because there's a backup and you're in a big hurry. I do love civil liberties, but all of the above actions infringe on the rights and freedoms of others, and that's not okay!

Finally: I spent nearly a year taking a dear elderly friend her groceries, until she was fully vaccinated against Covid. We spent a lot of time talking over those months, and one time she said "By the time you get to be my age, everyone has something wrong with them." Growing old is a privilege. I was at the Pittsburgh shows: much less smoky than the first shows I went to, far fewer drunks, nobody around me strung out on acid. We're all getting old/er. Perhaps you are the unusually lucky exception. Perhaps you have elite-level fitness, normal blood pressure and cholesterol, no history of smoking, no chronic diseases, no wonky family history. Perhaps. That's highly unlikely, but it's possible. If so, well, one of these days, that will change. Maybe it won't bother you if people around you react to your health problems with a shrug and "Sucks to be you, but I'm not changing what I'm doing just because you have XYZ." I don't know.

But I, personally, would rather live in a society where other people hold the door for an elderly person, or summon help for someone having a heart attack, or do really basic things to respect the well-being of others.  It sure would be *nice* if people stayed the hell at home when they have colds, and I had hoped that the pandemic would engender some empathy in others. But the fact that we're still having this debate five years later tells me that's not happening. That's fucking depressing, but here we are.

Halifax2TheMax said:

AW124797 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Stop being dramatic. No one is suggestion forced vaccinations or quarantining. The vaccines are safe and effective and mitigate more severe infections. There’s nothing wrong with positing that maybe we think about other people instead of just ourselves when it comes to dealing with illness. Especially if it all it takes is doing the bare minimum at next to no risk to yourself. 

Wait, is this suggesting, wishing or hoping? Help me out here. 

curmudgeoness said:

....But shit like cigarette smoke and Covid droplets enter my nose and make me sick, and I take issue with that. You do not have the right to make me or anyone else sick. I view availing oneself of vaccinations as a basic civil duty. Why can/should we not argue that anti-vaxxers should be isolated, instead? Seriously -- if you're determined to be an unrepentant plague vector, why should the rest of society be expected to accommodate you?

Just look at all the damage that moronic anti vaxxers are causing. Seen the most recent measles outbreak data lately? 

Or how’s about another strain spreading from Asia? Darwinism is a thang.

Cyberchondria is a thang, too.

Mmmmmmm, no. That you?

AW124797 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

AW124797 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Stop being dramatic. No one is suggestion forced vaccinations or quarantining. The vaccines are safe and effective and mitigate more severe infections. There’s nothing wrong with positing that maybe we think about other people instead of just ourselves when it comes to dealing with illness. Especially if it all it takes is doing the bare minimum at next to no risk to yourself. 

Wait, is this suggesting, wishing or hoping? Help me out here. 

curmudgeoness said:

....But shit like cigarette smoke and Covid droplets enter my nose and make me sick, and I take issue with that. You do not have the right to make me or anyone else sick. I view availing oneself of vaccinations as a basic civil duty. Why can/should we not argue that anti-vaxxers should be isolated, instead? Seriously -- if you're determined to be an unrepentant plague vector, why should the rest of society be expected to accommodate you?

Just look at all the damage that moronic anti vaxxers are causing. Seen the most recent measles outbreak data lately? 

Or how’s about another strain spreading from Asia? Darwinism is a thang.

Cyberchondria is a thang, too.

Mmmmmmm, no. That you?

It took some time for you to get personal. Bravo. 

tbergs said:

AW124797 said:

tbergs said:

Ooooh, satisfying to see a rat get the light shone on them so they have to scurry back in to the shadows when they thought they had cornered an unknowing victim. 

What a fuckin stupid comment. Some people have proper jobs. 

Didn't seem to be an issue the other day when you kept hammering on with your seriously comment. Good avoidance answer above too. Keep on the attack and ignore any obstacles that may try to sway you from being forever correct in your personal assements.

AW124797 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

AW124797 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

AW124797 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Stop being dramatic. No one is suggestion forced vaccinations or quarantining. The vaccines are safe and effective and mitigate more severe infections. There’s nothing wrong with positing that maybe we think about other people instead of just ourselves when it comes to dealing with illness. Especially if it all it takes is doing the bare minimum at next to no risk to yourself. 

Wait, is this suggesting, wishing or hoping? Help me out here. 

curmudgeoness said:

....But shit like cigarette smoke and Covid droplets enter my nose and make me sick, and I take issue with that. You do not have the right to make me or anyone else sick. I view availing oneself of vaccinations as a basic civil duty. Why can/should we not argue that anti-vaxxers should be isolated, instead? Seriously -- if you're determined to be an unrepentant plague vector, why should the rest of society be expected to accommodate you?

Just look at all the damage that moronic anti vaxxers are causing. Seen the most recent measles outbreak data lately? 

Or how’s about another strain spreading from Asia? Darwinism is a thang.

Cyberchondria is a thang, too.

Mmmmmmm, no. That you?

It took some time for you to get personal. Bravo. 

It was a simple yes or no question. Personal would have been if I, or someone else, commented on your yes or no answer. If you took it personally, that’s on you.

Sure. 

AW124797 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

AW124797 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

AW124797 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

AW124797 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Stop being dramatic. No one is suggestion forced vaccinations or quarantining. The vaccines are safe and effective and mitigate more severe infections. There’s nothing wrong with positing that maybe we think about other people instead of just ourselves when it comes to dealing with illness. Especially if it all it takes is doing the bare minimum at next to no risk to yourself. 

Wait, is this suggesting, wishing or hoping? Help me out here. 

curmudgeoness said:

....But shit like cigarette smoke and Covid droplets enter my nose and make me sick, and I take issue with that. You do not have the right to make me or anyone else sick. I view availing oneself of vaccinations as a basic civil duty. Why can/should we not argue that anti-vaxxers should be isolated, instead? Seriously -- if you're determined to be an unrepentant plague vector, why should the rest of society be expected to accommodate you?

Just look at all the damage that moronic anti vaxxers are causing. Seen the most recent measles outbreak data lately? 

Or how’s about another strain spreading from Asia? Darwinism is a thang.

Cyberchondria is a thang, too.

Mmmmmmm, no. That you?

It took some time for you to get personal. Bravo. 

It was a simple yes or no question. Personal would have been if I, or someone else, commented on your yes or no answer. If you took it personally, that’s on you.

Sure. 

Just like Covid = common cold.

One of the pro covid vaxxers compared it that way above. Had a good point, I thought. 

AW124797 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

AW124797 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

AW124797 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

AW124797 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Stop being dramatic. No one is suggestion forced vaccinations or quarantining. The vaccines are safe and effective and mitigate more severe infections. There’s nothing wrong with positing that maybe we think about other people instead of just ourselves when it comes to dealing with illness. Especially if it all it takes is doing the bare minimum at next to no risk to yourself. 

Wait, is this suggesting, wishing or hoping? Help me out here. 

curmudgeoness said:

....But shit like cigarette smoke and Covid droplets enter my nose and make me sick, and I take issue with that. You do not have the right to make me or anyone else sick. I view availing oneself of vaccinations as a basic civil duty. Why can/should we not argue that anti-vaxxers should be isolated, instead? Seriously -- if you're determined to be an unrepentant plague vector, why should the rest of society be expected to accommodate you?

Just look at all the damage that moronic anti vaxxers are causing. Seen the most recent measles outbreak data lately? 

Or how’s about another strain spreading from Asia? Darwinism is a thang.

Cyberchondria is a thang, too.

Mmmmmmm, no. That you?

It took some time for you to get personal. Bravo. 

It was a simple yes or no question. Personal would have been if I, or someone else, commented on your yes or no answer. If you took it personally, that’s on you.

Sure. 

Just like Covid = common cold.

One of the pro covid vaxxers compared it that way above. Had a good point, I thought. 

Merkin Baller said:

I miss the days when satire & reality were more distinguishable. 

https://thehardtimes.net/blog/okay-what-i-meant-was-do-my-research-on-vaccines/?utm_campaign=feed&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=later-linkinbio&fbclid=PAQ0xDSwKlikNleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABp7t8Xvq4S3SryvBDNq1V_7oIMAMAgyd2SUSI5lfXUmt2HS_UkWG5pw-GSsZ6_aem_tpeJxgf0X48MVpNPEopiLA

Okay, What I Meant Was, Do My Research on Vaccines

BY DAN RICE | MAY 29, 2025 

First of all, I want to say, I’m impressed. Usually when I tell people “Do your own research” that’s the end of the conversation and I assume I’ve won. The last thing I expected was for you to come at me a week later with verified links, study reports and medical journals proving conclusively that vaccines do not cause autism and install government tracking technology. Unfortunately, and I really can’t apologize enough, it was all for nothing. It seems I misspoke in our previous conversation. What I meant to say was “Do the research I did on vaccines, no more and no less.” Again, very sorry for the mixup and for wasting your time.

I didn’t mean for you to meticulously comb a bunch of accredited information sources and get opinions from doctors and healthcare professionals. I meant for you to smoke a little too much weed and dive headfirst into the manosphere podcasts and conspiracy theories. Maybe go through a divorce, get that sense of reality nice and limber so you’re ready for the truth when it comes. Boy is my face red for steering you wrong on this one.

What do you say we go again, and I’ll set you on the right course this time. I’m texting you a tweet from Eric Clapton, start here. The comment section is one of the most illuminating treatise on the subject to date!…” continues