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  • AW124797
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    josevolution said:
    I don’t get the point of arguing/debating this issue, I don’t waste my time talking to antivaxers about it. I saw a lot of death in that 1st year of the pandemic working in a hospital here in NY
    I don't think anybody here is debating 1st year of the pandemic. How many deaths are you seeing this year? Honest question. 
  • AW124797
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    BF25394 said:
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    curmudgeoness said:
    AW124797 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    AW124797 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    Stop being dramatic. No one is suggestion forced vaccinations or quarantining. The vaccines are safe and effective and mitigate more severe infections. There’s nothing wrong with positing that maybe we think about other people instead of just ourselves when it comes to dealing with illness. Especially if it all it takes is doing the bare minimum at next to no risk to yourself. 
    Wait, is this suggesting, wishing or hoping? Help me out here. 

    curmudgeoness said:
    ....But shit like cigarette smoke and Covid droplets enter my nose and make me sick, and I take issue with that. You do not have the right to make me or anyone else sick. I view availing oneself of vaccinations as a basic civil duty. Why can/should we not argue that anti-vaxxers should be isolated, instead? Seriously -- if you're determined to be an unrepentant plague vector, why should the rest of society be expected to accommodate you?
    Wishing/hoping that people would be considerate of others. 
    Let's try again. What is Why can/should we not argue that anti-vaxxers should be isolated, instead? Seriously -  ?

    Seriously, it is a response to "Why can't the people worried about getting sick just stay in their basements?" You asked a -- presumed -- hypothetical, and I am asking *you* why we should cater to bullies and jackasses. Why are *you* outraged by the suggestion that the standard you recommended for others, whom you labeled "phobic," could just as easily be flipped and applied to you? That's not logically consistent. Why is it okay to isolate those afraid of catching a serious disease (by the way -- do you not know anyone with health problems?!? Many already curtail their movements out of necessity!) but outrageous and insane to suggest, instead, isolating people who are intent on spreading disease? If you're entertaining the former solution, you must also consider the advantages of the latter, otherwise you are merely suggesting privileging people who share your worldview over others.

    Just because *you* thought Covid was like a "common cold" (which, again, before Prevnar, a common cold stayed with me for months...) even though over a million people in the US died from it -- doesn't mean that it was "just a cold" for everyone else. And -- you are aware that quarantine and isolation are not new concepts developed by the libs in 2020, aren't you? It's common freaking sense to limit the spread of disease, especially a new disease when information about mortality and long-term effects is not readily available (original estimates for Covid gave, I think, a 5% mortality rate; that's serious shit). I cannot wrap my head around outrage over very basic public health concepts that have been with us for, literally, thousands of years. You want to talk about how silly it was for California to close the beaches? I didn't like that, myself. Should blue states have found ways to get kids back in school sooner? Possibly, yes! But the idea that people should just be allowed to wantonly spread disease because ... reasons? That's a non-starter.

    So, again: I sure would like to be on the rail in front of Mike at a show, but I don't see the point of camping out and waiting in line for hours and hours. Why can't I just push my way to the front? That's way more convenient for me; why should I have to inconvenience myself by spending my valuable time waiting in the GA line just because other people said that's how it's done? Based on what you're saying, it would be wrong for those poor fools who camped out for two days to yell at me and tell me to go to the back of the line, because if they're so worried about how other people are behaving, maybe they should just stay home. I don't think that tactic would be well received.

    In a pandemic, availing oneself of vaccinations is a basic civic duty. Period. You do not have the right to endanger others. You also do not have the right to shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater, nor do you have the right to incite violence, or to use your AR for target practice in a residential area, or to drive the wrong way on the freeway because there's a backup and you're in a big hurry. I do love civil liberties, but all of the above actions infringe on the rights and freedoms of others, and that's not okay!

    Finally: I spent nearly a year taking a dear elderly friend her groceries, until she was fully vaccinated against Covid. We spent a lot of time talking over those months, and one time she said "By the time you get to be my age, everyone has something wrong with them." Growing old is a privilege. I was at the Pittsburgh shows: much less smoky than the first shows I went to, far fewer drunks, nobody around me strung out on acid. We're all getting old/er. Perhaps you are the unusually lucky exception. Perhaps you have elite-level fitness, normal blood pressure and cholesterol, no history of smoking, no chronic diseases, no wonky family history. Perhaps. That's highly unlikely, but it's possible. If so, well, one of these days, that will change. Maybe it won't bother you if people around you react to your health problems with a shrug and "Sucks to be you, but I'm not changing what I'm doing just because you have XYZ." I don't know.

    But I, personally, would rather live in a society where other people hold the door for an elderly person, or summon help for someone having a heart attack, or do really basic things to respect the well-being of others.  It sure would be *nice* if people stayed the hell at home when they have colds, and I had hoped that the pandemic would engender some empathy in others. But the fact that we're still having this debate five years later tells me that's not happening. That's fucking depressing, but here we are.
    Jesus. You seem like a very nice person and I don't want to sound rude, but I'm not really interested in anecdotal/personal. We all have a story and you wouldn't be interested in mine as it doesn't fit your narrative. What really caught my eye is your isolation comments. Can you clarify in 1-3 sentences or with a simple yes or no, so it's very obvious for all confused here, if (now, in 2025, NOT 2021) you still support mandatory vaccinations for common cold and isolation of the unvaccinated. That's all that interests me.
    There is no vaccine for the common cold. COVID-19 is not the common cold, and it will not be the common cold no matter how many times you disingenuously try to conflate the two.
    Covid feels like common cold to most people nowadays no matter how many times you try to misinterpret the situation. 
    You are analogizing a disease that still kills tens of thousands of people each year to a disease that kills virtually no one. Actually, you're not even analogizing. You're straight-up acting like the two diseases are equivalent. They aren't. You either understand this, and are being disingenuous, or you don't understand it, and are ignorant. Either way, it reflects poorly on you.
    When you say "disease that still kills tens of thousands of people each year," do you mean deaths FROM Covid or deaths WITH Covid? Or both? Are they still doing it in 2025?
  • AW124797
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    mickeyrat said:
    US CDC continues to recommend COVID vaccines for children, contradicts Kennedy - https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-cdc-keeps-recommendation-covid-vaccines-healthy-kids-report-says-2025-05-30/
    "Absolutely unnecessary" is a direct quote from our pediatrician on Long Island when I asked about Covid vaccines for my healthy kids back in 2023. Good doctor. 
  • AW124797
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    Tim Simmons said:
    maybe we do and we value health more?
    Good lord, this in none of my business, but how did you get swindled into that?
  • BF25394
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    AW124797 said:
    josevolution said:
    I don’t get the point of arguing/debating this issue, I don’t waste my time talking to antivaxers about it. I saw a lot of death in that 1st year of the pandemic working in a hospital here in NY
    I don't think anybody here is debating 1st year of the pandemic. How many deaths are you seeing this year? Honest question. 
    The CDC estimates that between 31,000 and 45,000 Americans have died from COVID-19 since October. The CDC also estimates that between 270,000 and 430,000 Americans have been hospitalized for COVID-19 since October.
    I gather speed from you fucking with me.
  • mickeyrat
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    AW124797 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    US CDC continues to recommend COVID vaccines for children, contradicts Kennedy - https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-cdc-keeps-recommendation-covid-vaccines-healthy-kids-report-says-2025-05-30/
    "Absolutely unnecessary" is a direct quote from our pediatrician on Long Island when I asked about Covid vaccines for my healthy kids back in 2023. Good doctor. 

    AMAZING!!!!

    A personal physician was consulted and a personal decision was made in consultation with said physician.  Is that really a thing?
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  • mickeyrat
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    It is Well understood is it not that a recommendation is not in fact a requirement?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mickeyrat said:
    It is Well understood is it not that a recommendation is not in fact a requirement?
    But if liberals get their way, everyone will be required to get the jab, even to stay in your own home. And if not? Off to the FEMA isolation camps.
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  • Tim Simmons
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    AW124797 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    maybe we do and we value health more?
    Good lord, this in none of my business, but how did you get swindled into that?
    Being healthy


     and not being cynical and suspicious of everything. 
  • Merkin Baller
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    edited June 3
    Tim Simmons said:
    AW124797 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    maybe we do and we value health more?
    Good lord, this in none of my business, but how did you get swindled into that?
    Being healthy


     and not being cynical and suspicious of everything. 
    It's almost as if staying on top of one's own mental health is as important as staying on top of one's physical health. 
  • Tim Simmons
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    No he’s right. They’re all in on it. Every doctor. Every hospital administration. Every insurer. Every scientist. Big Pharma, big government. It’s all a conspiracy. They’re all on the exact same page. And the only people who have figured it out (pending peer review of course) are the Pepe who do their own research and release that research via Instagram, tik tok and YouTube advertisements, the reputable scientific sources. 
  • mrussel1
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    Tim Simmons said:
    No he’s right. They’re all in on it. Every doctor. Every hospital administration. Every insurer. Every scientist. Big Pharma, big government. It’s all a conspiracy. They’re all on the exact same page. And the only people who have figured it out (pending peer review of course) are the Pepe who do their own research and release that research via Instagram, tik tok and YouTube advertisements, the reputable scientific sources. 
    And who, fortunately, also have some supplements or other concoction to sell that actually DOES fight off the disease that until 30 seconds ago they claimed was fake.  
  • Tim Simmons
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    heh. Just noticed the autocorrect of people to Pepe. I’m just gonna leave it. 
  • mickeyrat
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    Tim Simmons said:
    heh. Just noticed the autocorrect of people to Pepe. I’m just 8gonna leave it. 

    guess AI is sometimes on the money....
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    Tim Simmons said:
    heh. Just noticed the autocorrect of people to Pepe. I’m just gonna leave it. 
    I noticed that 😂 
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  • mickeyrat
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    A new Covid variant could drive up summer cases: Here's what you should know
    The variant appears to be more transmissible than the dominant strain worldwide, LP.8.1, meaning it has the potential to drive up cases this summer.

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mickeyrat said:

    A new Covid variant could drive up summer cases: Here's what you should know
    The variant appears to be more transmissible than the dominant strain worldwide, LP.8.1, meaning it has the potential to drive up cases this summer.

    continues 
    Jabdemic on top of a scamdemic big pharma money grab. Just the common cold.
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  • AW124797
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    Tim Simmons said:
    No he’s right. They’re all in on it. Every doctor. Every hospital administration. Every insurer. Every scientist. Big Pharma, big government. It’s all a conspiracy. They’re all on the exact same page. And the only people who have figured it out (pending peer review of course) are the Pepe who do their own research and release that research via Instagram, tik tok and YouTube advertisements, the reputable scientific sources. 
    Are you saying my licensed pediatrician did his own research and is a conspiracy theorists because he didn't recommend covid shots for healthy kids? Did you ask your doctor about the shots for kids or did you just request them without consultation because you knew better? 
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    BF25394 said:
    AW124797 said:
    josevolution said:
    I don’t get the point of arguing/debating this issue, I don’t waste my time talking to antivaxers about it. I saw a lot of death in that 1st year of the pandemic working in a hospital here in NY
    I don't think anybody here is debating 1st year of the pandemic. How many deaths are you seeing this year? Honest question. 
    The CDC estimates that between 31,000 and 45,000 Americans have died from COVID-19 since October. The CDC also estimates that between 270,000 and 430,000 Americans have been hospitalized for COVID-19 since October.
    Was actually curious what Jose is witnessing nowadays. 

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