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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,496
    If that was the case it would be a widespread fact instead of just a fringe belief. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,988
    Finally! I’ll get Gilligan’s Island without turning on the tv!
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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,935
    And the childrens also..more money and candys!!
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,496
    It’s a shame they don’t love the troops like she does. Whole asses get shown I guess. 
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,496
    23scidoo said:
    And the childrens also..more money and candys!!
    Ok! 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    shecky said:
    I’m sure they were the best parents in the world until the Trump administration created the Scamdemic and the Operation Warp Speed killer vaccine. 
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,496
    edited May 10
    it should be noted that this was in Spain. Didn't realize Democrats enacted policy in Spain. But details aren't important to Libs of TikTok and people who like to shitpost when you need outrage content.
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  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,062
    shecky said:
    This happened in Spain. What does that have to do with the Democrats here. Also, The New York Post is a tabloid.

  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,306
    Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said Wednesday if he had young children now he would "probably" vaccinate them against measles—but he cautioned people against taking medical advice from him. (Photo: Andrew Harnik via Getty Images) https://trib.al/DxHVx1p
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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  • shecky
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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,935
    Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
    Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
    EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.

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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,496
    25 seconds in and that all the facts I need. thanks for posting!

  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    Man, five years later and this debate continues to rage.

    -- As noted above, millions -- most -- American adults have at least one comorbidity. My husband is a living kidney donor, so f--k him, right? He should have paused to think about the consequences before giving his dad a kidney and allowing him to live another six years? Honestly, I don't know what bothers me more: the fact that scientific literacy made NO advances during/ due to Covid or the fact that people failed to develop empathy or a sense of responsibility toward other humans.

    -- Flattening the curve/ slowing the spread was intended to help prevent overload of the healthcare system, so if  you *did* have severe Covid -- or a heart attack, stroke, appendicitis, or were in a car accident -- there would be a bed and doctors to care for you. I had to take my husband to the ER in early 2022 and the hospital still was so overwhelmed that the emergency department hallways were full of people in beds.

    -- Herd immunity: Some people cannot get the vaccine. Others, such as transplant recipients, do not develop antibodies after being vaccinated. The rest of us should get vaccinated to make it less likely that we spread the disease to someone who has no natural defenses. Oh, those folks should just stay home, right? Guess what? They did. My father in law stayed home and watched church online. My dear friend, 85+ years old and all of 85 pounds, had breathing problems, so another person and I got her groceries for ten months, until she could get fully vaccinated.

    I was fully vaccinated, got the booster, still got Covid, and was out of commission for nearly three weeks. I ran fifteen great miles a few days before I got sick and went on a brisk six-mile hike that same day. I also take 4-6 weeks to recover from a common cold, even with the Prevnar vaccine.

    I'm exhausted and depressed by this thread. If the science won't sink in, maybe the part where, as a member of society, you have certain obligations, maybe that will. I've had strong libertarian tendencies my entire life. "Your rights end at the tip of my nose." -- I like that saying! But shit like cigarette smoke and Covid droplets enter my nose and make me sick, and I take issue with that. You do not have the right to make me or anyone else sick. I view availing oneself of vaccinations as a basic civil duty. Why can/should we not argue that anti-vaxxers should be isolated, instead? Seriously -- if you're determined to be an unrepentant plague vector, why should the rest of society be expected to accommodate you?
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  • AW124797
    AW124797 Posts: 762
    edited May 26
    ....But shit like cigarette smoke and Covid droplets enter my nose and make me sick, and I take issue with that. You do not have the right to make me or anyone else sick. I view availing oneself of vaccinations as a basic civil duty. Why can/should we not argue that anti-vaxxers should be isolated, instead? Seriously -- if you're determined to be an unrepentant plague vector, why should the rest of society be expected to accommodate you?
    Great point, but wouldn’t it be easier for anybody with severe nosophobia to go back to double masking and staying in the basement? 
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  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    Being immunocompromised is not a lifestyle choice, and suggesting that real health issues are phobias is callous, trollish, and grossly lacking in empathy.

    Your argument also, more broadly, suggests that we should just capitulate to bullies -- wouldn't it be easier to just let the GA line cutters be on the rail in front of Mike? Isn't it so much easier to just let the flippers take entire boxes of posters at the merch tent? Instead of traffic laws, wouldn't it be easier to just yield right of way to the biggest vehicles? And if a few children, or a few thousand children, get mowed down by big-ass trucks in a hurry, well, isn't it easier to just tell kids to stay out of crosswalks if they're so scared of being hit by a truck?

    Why do we even live in social groups? We do so to protect the more vulnerable among us -- children, the elderly, those who are sick or injured. This is such a fundamental concept that it boggles my mind that I need to spell it out.
    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.