Agreed anyone’s names should not be made public! I don’t care who the 10C member who’s scalping or whatever the individual is doing let 10C administrator handle it
I had an incident with a guy on the rail in Los Angeles. He wanted my friend to back up so he could set his drink on the ground. She wasn’t even that close to him. We both told him off and he eventually backed off and then made nice with us. I’ve had my time on the rail, but some of these people think they own the rail and those spots. Good thing I don’t camp anymore because these people wouldn’t get away with it if they aren’t there for the majority the time. You have to be seen and put the time in. Not just have friends save spots. It’s BS.
Mutiny next tour ...already hearing some great ideas, I went to say hi to someone on the ATL campground...for 2 seconds.....this guy who looked emaciated and cuckoo popped out of his tent and looked at me suspicious, I looked at him as when did you lose your dignity or did you have any to begin with. Dont get me started on the pit this tour...
Raleigh I was able to get rail for the last couple of songs due to people leaving to get back in line for the next night.
I just don't get it. Its pretty wild to camp out for 2 nights (the norm now thanks to the competitiveness of this group to be on the bump) but not stay for the whole show.
Raleigh I was able to get rail for the last couple of songs due to people leaving to get back in line for the next night.
I just don't get it. It’s pretty wild to camp out for 2 nights (the norm now thanks to the competitiveness of this group to be on the bump) but not stay for the whole show.
It’s actually disrespectful to the band to walk out before the curtain drops! I’ve never walked out of a PJ concert before it was completely over! Someone offered me to do GA that way it was an easy pass.
Look, the answer to all this is simple and the people who claim there is no problem should be completely behind it, but they aren't because they do not want their scheme to fall apart.
The GA entry should be randomized number allotment. It is easy to do. Set time in the morning day of show. Numbers are pulled, wrist-bands given out, everyone then returns when the doors for GA opens and lines up in their allotted order.
Since 2022. when arena shows were back on since covid...fortunate enough to get GA 21/23 Shows....exception Philly 1 2024/ Nashville 2 2025....had those too but passed on one, other something else......got wide rail Mikes side 5-6 times....rolling in like 6 pm
MSG 2nd/ 3rd row...thanks MSG for numbered bracelets
Most others 4-5 heads back rolling in like 730 on some no worse than idk 8-10 heads back
These guys have done more than me, which says alot cause ive done a bunch.....the opportunity cost for the rail isnt worth it imo, plus cmon if i dont get 2 ply TP at my hotel im hurting...you all need to see some specialists
How do they alwatd get to be up front. Ive seen this since 2000. Literally the same folks. It has to be a number thing
It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail.
I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little.
the big qurstion is how you all get GA for every show when most of us go years without winning it.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
@GlowGirl - do you feel like you are being selfish being front row so much? You can say you put the time in, but now if a local or traveling fan is okay lining up a day early, then the group goes to lining up two days early. That is selfish behavior in my view.
Not trying to be mean or anything. Like I said previously, this doesn’t matter at all.
If I was determined to be first in line ahead of the regulars, how would I know where to start the line?
They'd let you know when they got there by telling you where you're supposed to according to the unwritten rules. Hopefully they'd also let you stay first in the "proper" location, but that might be a battle with some.
How do they alwatd get to be up front. Ive seen this since 2000. Literally the same folks. It has to be a number thing
It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail.
I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little.
the big qurstion is how you all get GA for every show when most of us go years without winning it.
If I was determined to be first in line ahead of the regulars, how would I know where to start the line?
They'd let you know when they got there by telling you where you're supposed to according to the unwritten rules. Hopefully they'd also let you stay first in the "proper" location, but that might be a battle with some.
Kinda what I was driving at but genuinely curious if there is an actual answer
How do they alwatd get to be up front. Ive seen this since 2000. Literally the same folks. It has to be a number thing
It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail.
I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little.
the big qurstion is how you all get GA for every show when most of us go years without winning it.
That's the real question that needs answering.
If there is a group of 10 people working together that want GA, then realistically depending if married, having kids, siblings, etc..., that is 40 different fan club accounts going for tickets. The group only needs to win GA for 5 of those 40 attempts per show to get the 10 tickets they want. It doesn't seem odd to me that it works out. Now that you no longer need to show your ID to get tickets, and can log into anyone's TM account, why no pay for our brother's, mom's, son's, friend's 10C accounts and increase the odds of GA. Yeah, you'll pay $300 or so, but that is cheap in comparison to the value of the GA ticket received in return.
How do they alwatd get to be up front. Ive seen this since 2000. Literally the same folks. It has to be a number thing
It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail.
I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little.
the big qurstion is how you all get GA for every show when most of us go years without winning it.
I gave 18 pairs i got on TM out this tour.....held them for walkins, PITT2 like 10 of us walked in together...not 10 GA, 2 GA rest in 100s, some 200s.....looking out for people. People remember who is here to help and those who are fly by nighters
There is something a little strange. I don’t do GA and I don’t typically do merch. I like some of the merch but I won’t camp for it. Anyway at one of the shows I gave someone a ride to the venue on the off day as they wanted to get in line for merch. To be social I joined them. A number of “regulars” were in an area that was not marked as the starting point of the merch line. This group worked out among themselves what their respective spots in line were. Separately, people not affiliated with this group actually lined up at a spot that was marked as the merch spot. When merch opened, it was somehow determined that the people who were actually in line had to get behind the group that had self-determined their spots. That didn’t quite add up for me.
Disclaimer: I may not have 100% of the facts. I am sharing my observation of it.
For both GA and merch I would support numbered wristbands and having a draw to randomize the number that is first in line. I realize there are different views on the best system. This is just mine.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2; Indy; Chicago 1-2; MSG 1-2; Philly 2; Boston 2; Ohana 1-2; 2025: FL 1-2, ATL 1-2, Nash 1-2, Pit 1-2.
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
If I was determined to be first in line ahead of the regulars, how would I know where to start the line?
It really doesn't matter where you started the line. When the mafia showed in numbers they would set up in a different spot and tell you that their line is only real line. They will use whatever contacts they have within PJ or Arena security to make it so.
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How do they alwatd get to be up front. Ive seen this since 2000. Literally the same folks. It has to be a number thing
It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail.
I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little.
the big qurstion is how you all get GA for every show when most of us go years without winning it.
That's the real question that needs answering.
If there is a group of 10 people working together that want GA, then realistically depending if married, having kids, siblings, etc..., that is 40 different fan club accounts going for tickets. The group only needs to win GA for 5 of those 40 attempts per show to get the 10 tickets they want. It doesn't seem odd to me that it works out. Now that you no longer need to show your ID to get tickets, and can log into anyone's TM account, why no pay for our brother's, mom's, son's, friend's 10C accounts and increase the odds of GA. Yeah, you'll pay $300 or so, but that is cheap in comparison to the value of the GA ticket received in return.
Yes, keep in mind if they miss out on a ticket or 2 in GA they will take off a wristband and someone will walk it out to someone then escort them to the rail or right behind them. Saw this happen N1 in Nashville. Won't name names but 100% someone that is in the camp out crew.
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If I was determined to be first in line ahead of the regulars, how would I know where to start the line?
It really doesn't matter where you started the line. When the mafia showed in numbers they would set up in a different spot and tell you that their line is only real line. They will use whatever contacts they have within PJ or Arena security to make it so.
I had this in NYC as I was high off the Apollo show and I could not sleep so I went to MSG talked to the security guard and they helped me sort out where the merch line was. They helped me out and I chilled out for a bit but just wanted to know. Went back to my room changed clothes and got a blanket and my buddy woke up and we went back down around 4 am. When we got there we met some other fans and lined up. We were there for about an hour and this group of 20 shows up and says we were in “the other merch line”. What?! Ok so now how does that work? People in front of me were pissed and then there was a tussle on how to sort this out. At the end of the day everyone got what they wanted but yep. Cluster.
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How do they alwatd get to be up front. Ive seen this since 2000. Literally the same folks. It has to be a number thing
It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail.
I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little.
the big qurstion is how you all get GA for every show when most of us go years without winning it.
That's always been my question. the math just doesn't add up for the same people to get GA every show. no matter how many accounts they might be sharing the chances of a percentage of say 50 accounts winning GA to every show is very very low. There have to be thousands of accounts who put in for GA for each show. No way a percentage of the same 50 or so are winning every time.
There are always tickets around if you work at it. Getting GA for every show doesn't seem that strange to me if you are networking here or on Facebook and putting in the time. But manipulating the line to be "first" show after show? That comes off a little creepy.
Maybe PJ needs to do what OKC is doing for home NBA playoff games and institute a policy that you can only get GA if you are a resident of said state or one of the neighboring states. No more traveling rail that's the same every show and more local fans who only get to see the band 1x a decade because they can't afford to travel every tour.
Release any leftovers day of the show at the box office.
Maybe PJ needs to do what OKC is doing for home NBA playoff games and institute a policy that you can only get GA if you are a resident of said state or one of the neighboring states. No more traveling rail that's the same every show and more local fans who only get to see the band 1x a decade because they can't afford to travel every tour.
Release any leftovers day of the show at the box office.
It's an idea, but PJ fans travel. Ed asked the crowd Sunday who was from Pittsburgh, who was from Pennsylvania, and who was from somewhere else. The third group was by far the largest and loudest. That's a Pearl Jam crowd.
There are always tickets around if you work at it. Getting GA for every show doesn't seem that strange to me if you are networking here or on Facebook and putting in the time. But manipulating the line to be "first" show after show? That comes off a little creepy.
Especially when the lead singer wrote a song about an obsessed fan. Nothing like seeing the same obsessive fans in the front row every show. He should dedicate Lukin to them.
How do they alwatd get to be up front. Ive seen this since 2000. Literally the same folks. It has to be a number thing
It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail.
I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little.
the big qurstion is how you all get GA for every show when most of us go years without winning it.
I can only speak for myself. I got GA for two shows in the lottery. My ticket buddy got GA for three shows in the lottery. I ended up not being able to go to one of the shows that I got in the lottery, so that was four shows where the tickets I used came from the lottery. Then I traded a reserved seat for a GA for one show. The person I traded with preferred seats over GA. I also traded my reserved FL2 seats for Pitt2 GA with a friend who couldn't make Pitt, but could go to Florida. I didn't need those Florida seats since my ticket buddy got GA for those. For the other two shows, two different friends had an extra GA that they offered me. Over the years I have made a lot of nice friends here. I don't just interact with people here about tickets. I am active on a lot of different threads here and have been involved in a really nice network of people who help each other out. We text each other off this site, and keep in touch between tours, and have friendships that are not only about the band.
I also helped people get GA this tour as well. At the last minute my friend could not go to Florida. He texted me to ask if I knew anyone who wanted his tickets. I set him up with a friend of mine to drop a link and they got them. Since I ended up not being able to attend Raleigh, I gave my GA tickets that I got in the lottery to friends. We all help each other out. I have seen it over and over again on the forum.
Every interaction I had with GA tickets this year was through friends I personally know from this forum or from meeting at different shows, etc. I did not have to share logins with random people, etc. This is not the case every year, but this is how I got my GA's this year.
Also, those two GA shows I got in the lottery was the first time I ever got GA from the lottery. That was very exciting.
How do they alwatd get to be up front. Ive seen this since 2000. Literally the same folks. It has to be a number thing
It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail.
I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little.
the big qurstion is how you all get GA for every show when most of us go years without winning it.
That's the real question that needs answering.
I answered this question above based on my experience.
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I just don't get it. Its pretty wild to camp out for 2 nights (the norm now thanks to the competitiveness of this group to be on the bump) but not stay for the whole show.
The GA entry should be randomized number allotment. It is easy to do. Set time in the morning day of show. Numbers are pulled, wrist-bands given out, everyone then returns when the doors for GA opens and lines up in their allotted order.
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MSG 2nd/ 3rd row...thanks MSG for numbered bracelets
Most others 4-5 heads back
rolling in like 730 on some no worse than idk 8-10 heads back
These guys have done more than me, which says alot cause ive done a bunch.....the opportunity
cost for the rail isnt worth it imo, plus cmon if i dont get 2 ply TP at my hotel im hurting...you all need to see some specialists
But i Digress.....do you, who am i to say
Not trying to be mean or anything. Like I said previously, this doesn’t matter at all.
That’s the advantage that they have in numbers and it’s all about keeping their spot secure.
Disclaimer: I may not have 100% of the facts. I am sharing my observation of it.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
9/02/18 Boston, 9/04/18 Boston, 9/11/22 New York, 9/16/22 Nashville, 9/22/22 Denver, 8/31/23, St. Paul, 9/2/23 St. Paul, 9/18/23 Austin, 9/19/23 Austin
Houston, B'ham, Nashville, Atlanta '03
Toledo, Grand Rapids '04
Kitchener, London '05
Camden x 2, D.C., Cincy, San Fran x 3 '06
Chicago '07
Columbia '08
MSG x 2 '10;
PJ 20 x 2 '11
Atlanta '12
Wrigley '13
St. Louis, Memphis '14
Lexington, Wrigley '16
Wrigley x 2 '18
Nashville '22
Nashville x 2 '25
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Release any leftovers day of the show at the box office.
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