Same folks up front

pjl44

pjl44 said:

If I was determined to be first in line ahead of the regulars, how would I know where to start the line?

Reupping this because we've been informed this is an equitable system and people with knowledge are certainly around.

The next time they come to Boston I am hell bent on being first in line to get center rail. I will camp 3 nights if necessary. How do I know where to go to start the line?

JBob87

PJINFLA said:

pjl44 said:

If I was determined to be first in line ahead of the regulars, how would I know where to start the line?

It really doesn't matter where you started the line. When the mafia showed in numbers they would set up in a different spot and tell you that their line is only real line. They will use whatever contacts they have within PJ or Arena security to make it so.

Vedder4Prez said:

bootlegger10 said:

tbergs said:

ComeToTX said:

GlowGirl said:

trees said:

lastexitlondon said:

Any names of these people?

How do they alwatd get to be up front. 
Ive seen this since 2000.
Literally the same folks.
It has to be a number thing

It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail. 

I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little. 

the big qurstion is how you all get GA for every show when most of us go years without winning it.

That's the real question that needs answering.

If there is a group of 10 people working together that want GA, then realistically depending if married, having kids, siblings, etc..., that is 40 different fan club accounts going for tickets.  The group only needs to win GA for 5 of those 40 attempts per show to get the 10 tickets they want.  It doesn't seem odd to me that it works out.  Now that you no longer need to show your ID to get tickets, and can log into anyone's TM account, why no pay for our brother's, mom's, son's, friend's 10C accounts and increase the odds of GA. Yeah, you'll pay $300 or so, but that is cheap in comparison to the value of the GA ticket received in return.  

Yes, keep in mind if they miss out on a ticket or 2 in GA they will take off a wristband and someone will walk it out to someone then escort them to the rail or right behind them. Saw this happen N1 in Nashville. Won't name names but 100% someone that is in the camp out crew. 

Would love a rail rider to defend either of these two practices which are 100% occurring but...they won't

GlowGirl

JBob87 said:

PJINFLA said:

pjl44 said:

If I was determined to be first in line ahead of the regulars, how would I know where to start the line?

It really doesn't matter where you started the line. When the mafia showed in numbers they would set up in a different spot and tell you that their line is only real line. They will use whatever contacts they have within PJ or Arena security to make it so.

Vedder4Prez said:

bootlegger10 said:

tbergs said:

ComeToTX said:

GlowGirl said:

trees said:

lastexitlondon said:

Any names of these people?

How do they alwatd get to be up front. 
Ive seen this since 2000.
Literally the same folks.
It has to be a number thing

It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail. 

I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little. 

the big qurstion is how you all get GA for every show when most of us go years without winning it.

That's the real question that needs answering.

If there is a group of 10 people working together that want GA, then realistically depending if married, having kids, siblings, etc..., that is 40 different fan club accounts going for tickets.  The group only needs to win GA for 5 of those 40 attempts per show to get the 10 tickets they want.  It doesn't seem odd to me that it works out.  Now that you no longer need to show your ID to get tickets, and can log into anyone's TM account, why no pay for our brother's, mom's, son's, friend's 10C accounts and increase the odds of GA. Yeah, you'll pay $300 or so, but that is cheap in comparison to the value of the GA ticket received in return.  

Yes, keep in mind if they miss out on a ticket or 2 in GA they will take off a wristband and someone will walk it out to someone then escort them to the rail or right behind them. Saw this happen N1 in Nashville. Won't name names but 100% someone that is in the camp out crew. 

Would love a rail rider to defend either of these two practices which are 100% occurring but...they won't

I can't defend anything that I haven't witnessed. But usually with the line, in my experience it is started around or near the venue. The first person will ask someone at the venue where the best place to go is. Once in a blue moon like in Atlanta they let us line up on the sidewalk right against the venue. Otherwise, it is usually across the street or somewhere very nearby. When I arrive, I generally walk around the venue area to see where I see people. Once a line is started people usually post on Facebook to tell others where to go.

As far as the wristband thing. I have seen it happen on occasion. It happens with every other band I have seen as well. However, most of the time the wristbands have to be cut off - they are put on pretty tight. I have small wrists so mine can slip off, but another person would likely not be able to fit in it. I have never given mine to another person. So, if they are doing that - I am not sure how that works.

Force Of Nature

Are the crowds tamer in the US? I’ve been on the rail a bit for a couple shows in Europe and the crowds constantly jumping around. I moved to the rail for a bit, then moved back. Felt more organic than just people stood at the rail for the whole show not moving. 

Also, it’s GA so anyone can get anywhere, it’s the way it is. Can’t fault people wanting to queue early.  Personally I can’t imagine anything worse than queuing 24hr+ just to be the rail for a show when you could rock up and get pretty close, but each to their own.
And anyone who queues more than 10mins for merch I can’t comprehend 😂 but again, each to their own. 

darwinstheory

Just spitballing a bit here:

Rail accommodates approximately 40 people.

Line up as everyone already does.

Whomever is in line at (example) 12pm gets a ticket.

Draw 20 numbers (20 ticket holders and their +1 - single ticket holders mean another ticket is drawn). 

Those people go to the front of the line.

People who line up first get no worse than 2nd row. There is some randomness to it all. Others have a better chance.

Berlin2000

CROJAM95 said:

also be courteous to shorter people if you can, i always try and shift or let someone shorter in front of me

As a relatively short person, I appreciate that a lot!

Berlin2000

@GlowGirl: Thanks for taking the time to expand on your viewpoint and giving the rest of us an idea of what it takes to be on the rail. It's not easy to become the stand-in for a whole group of people and defending your viewpoint without becoming super-defensive and lash out. You did an admirable job, thanks! 

julieooliern

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

CROJAM95 said:

also be courteous to shorter people if you can, i always try and shift or let someone shorter in front of me

Not me. If there is a shorter person next to me, I put my beer on one half of there head and use the other half as an ashtray.

But that's just me. 

I’m not growing green beans for you anymore.

Leezestarr313

GlowGirl said:

ComeToTX said:

GlowGirl said:

trees said:

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How do they alwatd get to be up front. 
Ive seen this since 2000.
Literally the same folks.
It has to be a number thing

It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail. 

I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little. 

the big qurstion is how you all get GA for every show when most of us go years without winning it.

I can only speak for myself. I got GA for two shows in the lottery. My ticket buddy got GA for three shows in the lottery. I ended up not being able to go to one of the shows that I got in the lottery, so that was four shows where the tickets I used came from the lottery. Then I traded a reserved seat for a GA for one show. The person I traded with preferred seats over GA. I also traded my reserved FL2 seats for Pitt2 GA with a friend who couldn't make Pitt, but could go to Florida. I didn't need those Florida seats since my ticket buddy got GA for those. For the other two shows, two different friends had an extra GA that they offered me. Over the years I have made a lot of nice friends here. I don't just interact with people here about tickets. I am active on a lot of different threads here and have been involved in a really nice network of people who help each other out. We text each other off this site, and keep in touch between tours, and have friendships that are not only about the band.

I also helped people get GA this tour as well. At the last minute my friend could not go to Florida. He texted me to ask if I knew anyone who wanted his tickets. I set him up with a friend of mine to drop a link and they got them. Since I ended up not being able to attend Raleigh, I gave my GA tickets that I got in the lottery to friends. We all help each other out. I have seen it over and over again on the forum.

Every interaction I had with GA tickets this year was through friends I personally know from this forum or from meeting at different shows, etc. I did not have to share logins with random people, etc. This is not the case every year, but this is how I got my GA's this year.

Also, those two GA shows I got in the lottery was the first time I ever got GA from the lottery. That was very exciting.

I have been most active on the boards around 2011 - 2014 but I also made lots of friends that I am still in touch with off and online. There are not just fans on here, they exist outside the boards too. Sometimes life gets busy and you are not on the boards as much. I married a fellow fan I met here, so now we get to talk in person every day, for example. This whole comment once again comes off as "we put in the work, so we deserve". We all "deserve". No matter if you are on here a lot or not. No matter even if you have a lot of PJ friends or not. I put in for the lottery every tour and only got GA (or tickets at all) a handful of times. I am excited to be in the building. They should check ticket tour stats to make it so that people who may not have gotten anything in the past will get some fanclub tickets every so often too.

(This is not an attack on you, I am just also giving a little perspective on how other people may see things.)

john.riedlz

Berlin2000 said:

@GlowGirl: Thanks for taking the time to expand on your viewpoint and giving the rest of us an idea of what it takes to be on the rail. It's not easy to become the stand-in for a whole group of people and defending your viewpoint without becoming super-defensive and lash out. You did an admirable job, thanks! 

Seconding this. You’re awesome.

GlowGirl

Leezestarr313 said:

GlowGirl said:

ComeToTX said:

GlowGirl said:

trees said:

lastexitlondon said:

Any names of these people?

How do they alwatd get to be up front. 
Ive seen this since 2000.
Literally the same folks.
It has to be a number thing

It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail. 

I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little. 

the big qurstion is how you all get GA for every show when most of us go years without winning it.

I can only speak for myself. I got GA for two shows in the lottery. My ticket buddy got GA for three shows in the lottery. I ended up not being able to go to one of the shows that I got in the lottery, so that was four shows where the tickets I used came from the lottery. Then I traded a reserved seat for a GA for one show. The person I traded with preferred seats over GA. I also traded my reserved FL2 seats for Pitt2 GA with a friend who couldn't make Pitt, but could go to Florida. I didn't need those Florida seats since my ticket buddy got GA for those. For the other two shows, two different friends had an extra GA that they offered me. Over the years I have made a lot of nice friends here. I don't just interact with people here about tickets. I am active on a lot of different threads here and have been involved in a really nice network of people who help each other out. We text each other off this site, and keep in touch between tours, and have friendships that are not only about the band.

I also helped people get GA this tour as well. At the last minute my friend could not go to Florida. He texted me to ask if I knew anyone who wanted his tickets. I set him up with a friend of mine to drop a link and they got them. Since I ended up not being able to attend Raleigh, I gave my GA tickets that I got in the lottery to friends. We all help each other out. I have seen it over and over again on the forum.

Every interaction I had with GA tickets this year was through friends I personally know from this forum or from meeting at different shows, etc. I did not have to share logins with random people, etc. This is not the case every year, but this is how I got my GA's this year.

Also, those two GA shows I got in the lottery was the first time I ever got GA from the lottery. That was very exciting.

I have been most active on the boards around 2011 - 2014 but I also made lots of friends that I am still in touch with off and online. There are not just fans on here, they exist outside the boards too. Sometimes life gets busy and you are not on the boards as much. I married a fellow fan I met here, so now we get to talk in person every day, for example. This whole comment once again comes off as "we put in the work, so we deserve". We all "deserve". No matter if you are on here a lot or not. No matter even if you have a lot of PJ friends or not. I put in for the lottery every tour and only got GA (or tickets at all) a handful of times. I am excited to be in the building. They should check ticket tour stats to make it so that people who may not have gotten anything in the past will get some fanclub tickets every so often too.

(This is not an attack on you, I am just also giving a little perspective on how other people may see things.)

I agree. Everyone deserves a chance. I was just saying that it is easier to get GA if you have a good network of people you can work with together to get it. They don't have to be on here or Facebook. But having other friends who are fans is a really good way for everyone to help each other get GA. People who are not active here deserve to try and get GA as well. It just might not be as easy for them. For example, I know a lot of people on here who will look at a persons posting numbers or how long they have been a member of the Ten Club before agreeing to share a login or make a trade for any ticket - reserved or GA. There is a level of trust that comes with people who are more active on the forum than those who only have posted a few times only looking for tickets. That was the point I was making in answering how some people get GA for many shows. It is not about deserving them, it is about having different options to get them outside the lottery.

GlowGirl

Berlin2000 said:

@GlowGirl: Thanks for taking the time to expand on your viewpoint and giving the rest of us an idea of what it takes to be on the rail. It's not easy to become the stand-in for a whole group of people and defending your viewpoint without becoming super-defensive and lash out. You did an admirable job, thanks! 

Thanks. I am in NYC as well, btw.

GlowGirl

john.riedlz said:

Berlin2000 said:

@GlowGirl: Thanks for taking the time to expand on your viewpoint and giving the rest of us an idea of what it takes to be on the rail. It's not easy to become the stand-in for a whole group of people and defending your viewpoint without becoming super-defensive and lash out. You did an admirable job, thanks! 

Seconding this. You’re awesome.

Thanks. I try.

SVRDhand13

I genuinely do not care how many times someone gets GA or rail, as long as they respect the line.  My experience is that a large group of people have a few show up at the line at the start of the day and the rest of the crew continuously appears throughout the day and will act like they were always there.  That's not right or fair.  

Loujoe

SVRDhand13 said:

I genuinely do not care how many times someone gets GA or rail, as long as they respect the line.  My experience is that a large group of people have a few show up at the line at the start of the day and the rest of the crew continuously appears throughout the day and will act like they were always there.  That's not right or fair.  

Get_Right

SVRDhand13 said:

I genuinely do not care how many times someone gets GA or rail, as long as they respect the line.  My experience is that a large group of people have a few show up at the line at the start of the day and the rest of the crew continuously appears throughout the day and will act like they were always there.  That's not right or fair.  

The problem is that no one cares. And line cutters know it. Enforcing line rules is very low on everyone's priority list.

CROJAM95

THE REAL question to me

is this crew wealthy or piss poor....

Seams like one or the other....I always say us middle/ upper middles are always getting fucked by those 2 demographics

Go Beavers

Get_Right said:

SVRDhand13 said:

I genuinely do not care how many times someone gets GA or rail, as long as they respect the line.  My experience is that a large group of people have a few show up at the line at the start of the day and the rest of the crew continuously appears throughout the day and will act like they were always there.  That's not right or fair.  

The problem is that no one cares. And line cutters know it. Enforcing line rules is very low on everyone's priority list.

The people behind should just move to the front when this happens. 

pjl44

Loujoe said:

SVRDhand13 said:

I genuinely do not care how many times someone gets GA or rail, as long as they respect the line.  My experience is that a large group of people have a few show up at the line at the start of the day and the rest of the crew continuously appears throughout the day and will act like they were always there.  That's not right or fair.  

Just seeing the screen shot I hear the song

PJammin'

SVRDhand13 said:

I genuinely do not care how many times someone gets GA or rail, as long as they respect the line.  My experience is that a large group of people have a few show up at the line at the start of the day and the rest of the crew continuously appears throughout the day and will act like they were always there.  That's not right or fair.  

These are my exact feelings. If I know the person/people aren’t there when I show up, the rest of the crew is not going to cut the line. People need to be there and put their time in the line. No ghost chairs and no saving spots. You’re either there or you’re not. Like I said, I don’t camp anymore. I had my time on the rail. But you better believe I’d fight for this if I saw people being disrespectful to people that were already there. That 💩 doesn’t fly with me.