Same folks up front

ComeToTX

I assume all of the “trading” requires sharing TM logins?

bootlegger10

Time is money.   If the front row seats went to the highest bidder and some rich person bought up all the tickets for them and their friends for every show, some would call that selfish.  Well, time is money.  Not everyone has 2 days to kill sleeping on a sidewalk, so spending your time or money to push others out is similar to me.  

You had a great front row experience.  There are only so many PJ shows.  Perhaps let others have a chance to experience that.  Seems selfish to me.  

No jealousy here.  Been front row.  It is cool.   But not necessary to enjoy the show.  I've got pointed at, a guitar pick.  I'm good.  You can meet people at pre-parties.  You can hang out at pre-parties.  99% of PJ friend groups were made outside of camping out for GA.  You can all be together at the show anywhere in GA.  What it comes down to is that these people want to be front row for every show.  

tbergs

GlowGirl said:

tbergs said:

ComeToTX said:

GlowGirl said:

trees said:

lastexitlondon said:

Any names of these people?

How do they alwatd get to be up front. 
Ive seen this since 2000.
Literally the same folks.
It has to be a number thing

It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail. 

I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little. 

the big qurstion is how you all get GA for every show when most of us go years without winning it.

That's the real question that needs answering.

I answered this question above based on my experience.

Thanks! I appreciate your candor and willingness to share. I think circumstances and situations vary for everyone. It's clear you've put in a lot of effort to get the tickets you want, GA or seats, and are able to do so because of connections you've made and the time you can dedicate to doing so. I think that's true for a lot of things in life. I think sometimes it's hard to square that even when it comes to concert tickets, there is seemingly angles to be played that a lot of people don't have the ability to spend time on. I guess that's life and many would argue you have to work for what you want, but it's also true that the playing field is not level. There's also not really an option that's doesnt have some sort of advantage/disadvantage issue where someone won't feel screwed over based on what their situation is.

CROJAM95

JimmyV said:

CROJAM95 said:

And its pretty fun towards the back of GA......

On Sunday we were what I thought was pretty close on Stone's side for most of the show. Ran to the bathrooms during DTE, then took a spot in back...only to discover we were only 4 or 5 spots from where we had started. 

like Ricky Bobby said...if you aint 1st, you are last. Id much rather be towards the back/sides if not within 1st 5-6 heads

just my $.02

GlowGirl

tbergs said:

GlowGirl said:

tbergs said:

ComeToTX said:

GlowGirl said:

trees said:

lastexitlondon said:

Any names of these people?

How do they alwatd get to be up front. 
Ive seen this since 2000.
Literally the same folks.
It has to be a number thing

It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail. 

I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little. 

the big qurstion is how you all get GA for every show when most of us go years without winning it.

That's the real question that needs answering.

I answered this question above based on my experience.

Thanks! I appreciate your candor and willingness to share. I think circumstances and situations vary for everyone. It's clear you've put in a lot of effort to get the tickets you want, GA or seats, and are able to do so because of connections you've made and the time you can dedicate to doing so. I think that's true for a lot of things in life. I think sometimes it's hard to square that even when it comes to concert tickets, there is seemingly angles to be played that a lot of people don't have the ability to spend time on. I guess that's life and many would argue you have to work for what you want, but it's also true that the playing field is not level. There's also not really an option that's doesnt have some sort of advantage/disadvantage issue where someone won't feel screwed over based on what their situation is.

Thanks. You are right that just like everything else in society, there are people who have advantages and disadvantages. As a woman in the U.S. right now I am well aware of that. But I appreciate the friends I have made and the network of people on this forum that are so kind and generous. That is most of you on here. What I don't get are the people who never try to make friends on here and show up only during tour time begging for tickets. To me that is someone who feels they are entitled. Like I said most of the regular campers are not on here, but they have the same type of extensive networks and friendship groups in Facebook. So, that is where most of them hang out. I am not on Facebook, so all of my PJ friends are on here. I love this place!

CROJAM95

ComeToTX said:

I assume all of the “trading” requires sharing TM logins?

If you know someone, its the best way for premium seats or GA...F2F get picked off....or just all walk in together if you can

trees

GlowGirl said:

trees said:

lastexitlondon said:

Any names of these people?

How do they alwatd get to be up front. 
Ive seen this since 2000.
Literally the same folks.
It has to be a number thing

It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail. 

I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little. 

I understand that but how do you the same folks always get GA ?

jwhjr17

trees said:

GlowGirl said:

trees said:

lastexitlondon said:

Any names of these people?

How do they alwatd get to be up front. 
Ive seen this since 2000.
Literally the same folks.
It has to be a number thing

It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail. 

I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little. 

I understand that but how do you the same folks always get GA ?

She explained it a page back.

julieooliern

GlowGirl said:

tbergs said:

ComeToTX said:

GlowGirl said:

trees said:

lastexitlondon said:

Any names of these people?

How do they alwatd get to be up front. 
Ive seen this since 2000.
Literally the same folks.
It has to be a number thing

It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail. 

I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little. 

the big qurstion is how you all get GA for every show when most of us go years without winning it.

That's the real question that needs answering.

I answered this question above based on my experience.

You guys have to remember there are a lot of PJ groups outside of the forum (including regular networking of friends over 20+ years) where people trade and share tickets on FB, Reddit etc. The more people you know personally for many years that are PJ super fans, the more ability to help each other out of the years. That’s how so many of the same people get GA. They know many people. Not a bad thing-just a thing. We’re all human beings.

CROJAM95

people always opt out of GA last few hours before a show for various reasons...

julieooliern

And yes, some people trade out of GA because they prefer seats. I like both for different reasons.

MG79478

Anyone else remember when the F5 system wasn't "fair" because not everyone had the time to sit and refresh for a few hours on a weekday to get tickets, and that a lottery was most "fair" way for everyone?  Why is it any different for GA entry?  Not everyone has the ability to camp out on a curb for hours or even days. 

Now we have the worst of both worlds, a lottery to obtain tickets that doesn't seem quite random, and max effort for GA entry.

CROJAM95

also be courteous to shorter people if you can, i always try and shift or let someone shorter in front of me

SPEEDY MCCREADY

CROJAM95 said:

also be courteous to shorter people if you can, i always try and shift or let someone shorter in front of me

Not me. If there is a shorter person next to me, I put my beer on one half of there head and use the other half as an ashtray.

But that's just me. 

CROJAM95

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

CROJAM95 said:

also be courteous to shorter people if you can, i always try and shift or let someone shorter in front of me

Not me. If there is  shorter person next to me, I put my beer on one half of there head and use the other half as an ashtray.

But that's just me. 

 

i meant Ladies....Not if you are three horse jockies, I mean horse fuckers..... 

cincybearcat

CROJAM95 said:

also be courteous to shorter people if you can, i always try and shift or let someone shorter in front of me

My daughter is like 5'3"...she's been in GA 2x and the people around and especially in front of her have been extremely generous and courteous.  Always try to pay it forward.

CROJAM95

cincybearcat said:

CROJAM95 said:

also be courteous to shorter people if you can, i always try and shift or let someone shorter in front of me

My daughter is like 5'3"...she's been in GA 2x and the people around and especially in front of her have been extremely generous and courteous.  Always try to pay it forward.

That must be so cool to see a show with your kid, I chickened out in life and never had any...but love seeing it at shows. Lady we sold a pair of 200s in PITT2 brought her son to his 1st PJ show. Was great talking to them

mookeywrench

I'd say get rid of the camping element and treat the line as just a line to get into the venue and nothing more.

Open a single file line at an unannounced venue location 4 hours prior. If you need to eat/use the bathroom/get merch you leave and re-enter at the end of the line.

JimmyV

Wristbands

darwinstheory

PJINFLA said:

pjl44 said:

If I was determined to be first in line ahead of the regulars, how would I know where to start the line?

It really doesn't matter where you started the line. When the mafia showed in numbers they would set up in a different spot and tell you that their line is only real line. They will use whatever contacts they have within PJ or Arena security to make it so.

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