Same folks up front

josevolution · May 20

Shaindli1 said:

Let's not name & shame. That's crossing a line.

Agreed anyone’s names should not be made public! I don’t care who the 10C member who’s scalping or whatever the individual is doing let 10C administrator handle it

Leezestarr313 · May 20

I saw indeed the same folks up front in Pitt on both nights. On the big screen, from my humble 10c seats on both nights.

CROJAM95 · May 20

PJammin' said:

I had an incident with a guy on the rail in Los Angeles. He wanted my friend to back up so he could set his drink on the ground. She wasn’t even that close to him. We both told him off and he eventually backed off and then made nice with us. I’ve had my time on the rail, but some of these people think they own the rail and those spots. Good thing I don’t camp anymore because these people wouldn’t get away with it if they aren’t there for the majority the time. You have to be seen and put the time in. Not just have friends save spots. It’s BS.

Mutiny next tour ...already hearing some great ideas, I went to say hi to someone on the ATL campground...for 2 seconds.....this guy who looked emaciated and cuckoo popped out of his tent and looked at me suspicious, I looked at him as when did you lose your dignity or did you have any to begin with. Dont get me started on the pit this tour...

PJNB · May 20

Raleigh I was able to get rail for the last couple of songs due to people leaving to get back in line for the next night.

I just don't get it. Its pretty wild to camp out for 2 nights (the norm now thanks to the competitiveness of this group to be on the bump) but not stay for the whole show.

josevolution · May 20

PJNB said:

Raleigh I was able to get rail for the last couple of songs due to people leaving to get back in line for the next night.

I just don't get it. It’s pretty wild to camp out for 2 nights (the norm now thanks to the competitiveness of this group to be on the bump) but not stay for the whole show.

It’s actually disrespectful to the band to walk out before the curtain drops! I’ve never walked out of a PJ concert before it was completely over! Someone offered me to do GA that way it was an easy pass.

PB11041 · May 20

Look, the answer to all this is simple and the people who claim there is no problem should be completely behind it, but they aren't because they do not want their scheme to fall apart.

The GA entry should be randomized number allotment. It is easy to do. Set time in the morning day of show. Numbers are pulled, wrist-bands given out, everyone then returns when the doors for GA opens and lines up in their allotted order.

CROJAM95 · May 20

Since 2022. when arena shows were back on since covid...fortunate enough to get GA 21/23 Shows....exception Philly 1 2024/ Nashville 2 2025....had those too but passed on one, other something else......got wide rail Mikes side 5-6 times....rolling in like 6 pm

MSG 2nd/ 3rd row...thanks MSG for numbered bracelets

Most others 4-5 heads back
rolling in like 730 on some no worse than idk 8-10 heads back

These guys have done more than me, which says alot cause ive done a bunch.....the opportunity
cost for the rail isnt worth it imo, plus cmon if i dont get 2 ply TP at my hotel im hurting...you all need to see some specialists

But i Digress.....do you, who am i to say

ComeToTX · May 20

GlowGirl said:

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trees said:

lastexitlondon said:

Any names of these people?

How do they alwatd get to be up front.
Ive seen this since 2000.
Literally the same folks.
It has to be a number thing

It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail.

I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little.

the big qurstion is how you all get GA for every show when most of us go years without winning it.

bootlegger10 · May 20

@GlowGirl - do you feel like you are being selfish being front row so much? You can say you put the time in, but now if a local or traveling fan is okay lining up a day early, then the group goes to lining up two days early. That is selfish behavior in my view.

Not trying to be mean or anything. Like I said previously, this doesn’t matter at all.

pjl44 · May 20

If I was determined to be first in line ahead of the regulars, how would I know where to start the line?

PJNB · May 20

pjl44 said:

If I was determined to be first in line ahead of the regulars, how would I know where to start the line?

You don’t have especially when one is not “allowed” or offsite.

That’s the advantage that they have in numbers and it’s all about keeping their spot secure.

tbergs · May 20

pjl44 said:

If I was determined to be first in line ahead of the regulars, how would I know where to start the line?

They'd let you know when they got there by telling you where you're supposed to according to the unwritten rules. Hopefully they'd also let you stay first in the "proper" location, but that might be a battle with some.

tbergs · May 20

ComeToTX said:

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GlowGirl said:

trees said:

lastexitlondon said:

Any names of these people?

How do they alwatd get to be up front.
Ive seen this since 2000.
Literally the same folks.
It has to be a number thing

It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail.

I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little.

the big qurstion is how you all get GA for every show when most of us go years without winning it.

That's the real question that needs answering.

pjl44 · May 20

PJNB said:

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pjl44 said:

If I was determined to be first in line ahead of the regulars, how would I know where to start the line?

You don’t have especially when one is not “allowed” or offsite.

That’s the advantage that they have in numbers and it’s all about keeping their spot secure.

tbergs said:

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pjl44 said:

If I was determined to be first in line ahead of the regulars, how would I know where to start the line?

They'd let you know when they got there by telling you where you're supposed to according to the unwritten rules. Hopefully they'd also let you stay first in the "proper" location, but that might be a battle with some.

Kinda what I was driving at but genuinely curious if there is an actual answer

bootlegger10 · May 20

tbergs said:

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ComeToTX said:

GlowGirl said:

trees said:

lastexitlondon said:

Any names of these people?

How do they alwatd get to be up front.
Ive seen this since 2000.
Literally the same folks.
It has to be a number thing

It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail.

I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little.

the big qurstion is how you all get GA for every show when most of us go years without winning it.

That's the real question that needs answering.

If there is a group of 10 people working together that want GA, then realistically depending if married, having kids, siblings, etc..., that is 40 different fan club accounts going for tickets. The group only needs to win GA for 5 of those 40 attempts per show to get the 10 tickets they want. It doesn't seem odd to me that it works out. Now that you no longer need to show your ID to get tickets, and can log into anyone's TM account, why no pay for our brother's, mom's, son's, friend's 10C accounts and increase the odds of GA. Yeah, you'll pay $300 or so, but that is cheap in comparison to the value of the GA ticket received in return.

CROJAM95 · May 20

tbergs said:

show previous quotes

ComeToTX said:

GlowGirl said:

trees said:

lastexitlondon said:

Any names of these people?

How do they alwatd get to be up front.
Ive seen this since 2000.
Literally the same folks.
It has to be a number thing

It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail.

I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little.

the big qurstion is how you all get GA for every show when most of us go years without winning it.

That's the real question that needs answering.

time and NOT FUCKIN people over 25-30 years helps

CROJAM95 · May 20

I gave 18 pairs i got on TM out this tour.....held them for walkins, PITT2 like 10 of us walked in together...not 10 GA, 2 GA rest in 100s, some 200s.....looking out for people. People remember who is here to help and those who are fly by nighters

RatherStarved · May 20

There is something a little strange. I don’t do GA and I don’t typically do merch. I like some of the merch but I won’t camp for it. Anyway at one of the shows I gave someone a ride to the venue on the off day as they wanted to get in line for merch. To be social I joined them. A number of “regulars” were in an area that was not marked as the starting point of the merch line. This group worked out among themselves what their respective spots in line were. Separately, people not affiliated with this group actually lined up at a spot that was marked as the merch spot. When merch opened, it was somehow determined that the people who were actually in line had to get behind the group that had self-determined their spots. That didn’t quite add up for me.

Disclaimer: I may not have 100% of the facts. I am sharing my observation of it.

For both GA and merch I would support numbered wristbands and having a draw to randomize the number that is first in line. I realize there are different views on the best system. This is just mine.

PJINFLA · May 20

pjl44 said:

If I was determined to be first in line ahead of the regulars, how would I know where to start the line?

It really doesn't matter where you started the line. When the mafia showed in numbers they would set up in a different spot and tell you that their line is only real line. They will use whatever contacts they have within PJ or Arena security to make it so.

Vedder4Prez · May 20

bootlegger10 said:

show previous quotes

tbergs said:

ComeToTX said:

GlowGirl said:

trees said:

lastexitlondon said:

Any names of these people?

How do they alwatd get to be up front.
Ive seen this since 2000.
Literally the same folks.
It has to be a number thing

It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail.

I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little.

the big qurstion is how you all get GA for every show when most of us go years without winning it.

That's the real question that needs answering.

If there is a group of 10 people working together that want GA, then realistically depending if married, having kids, siblings, etc..., that is 40 different fan club accounts going for tickets. The group only needs to win GA for 5 of those 40 attempts per show to get the 10 tickets they want. It doesn't seem odd to me that it works out. Now that you no longer need to show your ID to get tickets, and can log into anyone's TM account, why no pay for our brother's, mom's, son's, friend's 10C accounts and increase the odds of GA. Yeah, you'll pay $300 or so, but that is cheap in comparison to the value of the GA ticket received in return.

Yes, keep in mind if they miss out on a ticket or 2 in GA they will take off a wristband and someone will walk it out to someone then escort them to the rail or right behind them. Saw this happen N1 in Nashville. Won't name names but 100% someone that is in the camp out crew.

Same folks up front

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