I not maga nor a republican or complaining about it. Just a comment and curiosity of why people may do it.
But the example was given on going back to where you're from and talking like you did in the past. This was in Idaho apparently. I have no knowledge of AOC's residence history, so I don't know if she was channeling her Idahoan past.
I just find it odd for campaigning/fundraising purposes.
1993: 11/22 Little Rock
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa 2022: 9/20 OKC 2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
Is it too much to talk the way you normally would?
Who says it’s not how she normally talks? Code switching is a thing, but I don’t know how many white North Americans see the cultural aspects of it.
Yes it is. I designed an anthropological linguistics class for my department and the students have to write a paper on their own experiences with code switching. We all do it - whether we are conscious of it or not.
That is very interesting. I'll have to read up on the subject for sure. Thank you!
1993: 11/22 Little Rock
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa 2022: 9/20 OKC 2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
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I not maga nor a republican or complaining about it. Just a comment and curiosity of why people may do it.
But the example was given on going back to where you're from and talking like you did in the past. This was in Idaho apparently. I have no knowledge of AOC's residence history, so I don't know if she was channeling her Idahoan past.
I just find it odd for campaigning/fundraising purposes.
Sorry if what I said gave the impression that I was saying you are MAGA. Not at all!
I've been to Idaho and honestly, I don't know what an Idaho accent sounds like. Large numbers of California MAGA, as well as some California old fashioned Republicans and even some moderates and liberals have moved to Idaho. I hear about it here all the time. So, perhaps the typical Idahoan sounds like... me? :gasp!:
But the example was given on going back to where you're from and talking like you did in the past. This was in Idaho apparently. I have no knowledge of AOC's residence history, so I don't know if she was channeling her Idahoan past. .
But you are also assuming it actually happened and the sourced reporting it are passing it along in bad faith.
It’s entirely possible she was speaking as she always does and the PA, or microphone, or the wind carried the sound in a way that sounded like she was speaking differently.
I pulled up a clip on Twitter, and she sounded like she always does.
But the example was given on going back to where you're from and talking like you did in the past. This was in Idaho apparently. I have no knowledge of AOC's residence history, so I don't know if she was channeling her Idahoan past. .
But you are also assuming it actually happened and the sourced reporting it are passing it along in bad faith.
It’s entirely possible she was speaking as she always does and the PA, or microphone, or the wind carried the sound in a way that sounded like she was speaking differently.
I pulled up a clip on Twitter, and she sounded like she always does.
But the example was given on going back to where you're from and talking like you did in the past. This was in Idaho apparently. I have no knowledge of AOC's residence history, so I don't know if she was channeling her Idahoan past. .
But you are also assuming it actually happened and the sourced reporting it are passing it along in bad faith.
It’s entirely possible she was speaking as she always does and the PA, or microphone, or the wind carried the sound in a way that sounded like she was speaking differently.
I pulled up a clip on Twitter, and she sounded like she always does.
But the example was given on going back to where you're from and talking like you did in the past. This was in Idaho apparently. I have no knowledge of AOC's residence history, so I don't know if she was channeling her Idahoan past. .
But you are also assuming it actually happened and the sourced reporting it are passing it along in bad faith.
It’s entirely possible she was speaking as she always does and the PA, or microphone, or the wind carried the sound in a way that sounded like she was speaking differently.
I pulled up a clip on Twitter, and she sounded like she always does.
You're correct. Some or all that you listed is entirely possible and would affect the way she sounded.
1993: 11/22 Little Rock
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa 2022: 9/20 OKC 2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
Other than the “stock market too…” bit. But I’m guessing she thought the line was supposed to keep going and had to hard pivot stop because it was an audience response line.
There’s some real grasping at straws for her changing her accent.
Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.
But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.
Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.
But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.
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Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.
But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.
Agreed. Once I see “woke” written as a pejorative, safe bet that everything following isn’t worth reading.
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Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.
But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.
And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.
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“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.
But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.
And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.
..
“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.
But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.
And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.
..
“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
Where is your data on the perception of the economy by voters? You seem really focused on woke and not at all focused on inflation which was, by a long shot, the number one issue for voters.
Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.
But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.
And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.
..
“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them.
Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.
But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.
And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.
..
“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them.
After the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.
I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.
But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028.
It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.
Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.
But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.
And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.
..
“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them.
After the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.
I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.
But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028.
It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.
Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing.
I’d also argue what Bernie and AOC are fighting for (accountability for leaders, taxation of billionaires, investment in local communities and not corporations, preventing politicians from investing in companies that they pass legislation on) are what the broader population wants and could be successful.
The only people who talk about WOKE, are people on the right. It’s been so co-opted, people don’t say Woke with any seriousness. Instead they just try to push for having care and concern for marginalized populations.
Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.
But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.
And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.
..
“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them.
After the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.
I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.
But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028.
It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.
Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing.
I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media. And Bernie AOC are drawing their biggest crowds ever with crowds screaming for dei and hamas. You think that wins AZ PA WI, great. I doubt it.
I’d also argue what Bernie and AOC are fighting for (accountability for leaders, taxation of billionaires, investment in local communities and not corporations, preventing politicians from investing in companies that they pass legislation on) are what the broader population wants and could be successful.
The only people who talk about WOKE, are people on the right. It’s been so co-opted, people don’t say Woke with any seriousness. Instead they just try to push for having care and concern for marginalized populations.
I've posted videos on here of Chris Matthew's and Bill Maher
Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.
But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.
And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.
..
“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them.
After the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.
I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.
But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028.
It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.
Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing.
I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media.
Sorry. Then I'm gonna need to see some polling that accounts for the shift because of the WOKE.
Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.
But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.
And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.
..
“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them.
After the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.
I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.
But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028.
It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.
Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing.
I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media.
Sorry. Then I'm gonna need to see some polling that accounts for the shift because of the WOKE.
The context is NY is a deep blue state. I did provide a national poll that had too woke at 53%, but that wasn’t good enough. Assuming the Rep, Dem, Ind split is 40/40/20%. That’s almost everyone who is not a D believing the party is too woke.
right before the election, I had a medical procedure where I needed a lot of rehab. I met many therapists helping my recovery. Many who benefit directly from increased health spending and ACA. This was around the time of Musk chanting on the MSG stage he was going to cut two trillion dollars in USA spending. I know, more anecdotes.
So a few of my therapists were undecided in those last few weeks. I pointed out their industry would be significantly hurt, because I’d they’re cutting two trillion dollars, a lot of that money is coming from their pockets.
i had about as much success arguing that the dems were a reasonable choice as I do on here pointing out their extremism. I am stating without doubt the brand was perceived as toxic. Go ahead and memorize some of those Hal jokes on here mocking everyone who disagrees with them. Try those jokes in public who are not dems.
maybe trumps terrible job gives the dems a reprieve, but that’s on trump, not the reasonableness of the dems. Five years ago I stopped watching that hbo comic because I thought he was insane blaming the dems for wokeness. I was right where you are. This election changed that perception. America voted for the Jan six guy, and ignored the he is a convict argument. Because groceries were up ten bucks? Cmon, the brand was deemed as toxic.
Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.
But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.
And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.
..
“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them.
After the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.
I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.
But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028.
It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.
Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing.
I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media.
Sorry. Then I'm gonna need to see some polling that accounts for the shift because of the WOKE.
The context is NY is a deep blue state. I did provide a national poll that had too woke at 53%, but that wasn’t good enough. Assuming the Rep, Dem, Ind split is 40/40/20%. That’s almost everyone who is not a D believing the party is too woke.
right before the election, I had a medical procedure where I needed a lot of rehab. I met many therapists helping my recovery. Many who benefit directly from increased health spending and ACA. This was around the time of Musk chanting on the MSG stage he was going to cut two trillion dollars in USA spending. I know, more anecdotes.
So a few of my therapists were undecided in those last few weeks. I pointed out their industry would be significantly hurt, because I’d they’re cutting two trillion dollars, a lot of that money is coming from their pockets.
i had about as much success arguing that the dems were a reasonable choice as I do on here pointing out their extremism. I am stating without doubt the brand was perceived as toxic. Go ahead and memorize some of those Hal jokes on here mocking everyone who disagrees with them. Try those jokes in public who are not dems.
maybe trumps terrible job gives the dems a reprieve, but that’s on trump, not the reasonableness of the dems. Five years ago I stopped watching that hbo comic because I thought he was insane blaming the dems for wokeness. I was right where you are. This election changed that perception. America voted for the Jan six guy, and ignored the he is a convict argument. Because groceries were up ten bucks? Cmon, the brand was deemed as toxic.
‘Murica is a majority racist nation. It’s not that hard to figure out. Authoritarianism to save everyone from the other. Deport US citizens accused or convicted of crimes to overseas prisons? Meh. Shutting down any dissent against anything? More meh.
I got news for you, Dems ain’t riding to the rescue. And repubs and indies own it.
Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.
But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.
And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.
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“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them.
After the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.
I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.
But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028.
It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.
Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing.
I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media.
Sorry. Then I'm gonna need to see some polling that accounts for the shift because of the WOKE.
The context is NY is a deep blue state. I did provide a national poll that had too woke at 53%, but that wasn’t good enough. Assuming the Rep, Dem, Ind split is 40/40/20%. That’s almost everyone who is not a D believing the party is too woke.
right before the election, I had a medical procedure where I needed a lot of rehab. I met many therapists helping my recovery. Many who benefit directly from increased health spending and ACA. This was around the time of Musk chanting on the MSG stage he was going to cut two trillion dollars in USA spending. I know, more anecdotes.
So a few of my therapists were undecided in those last few weeks. I pointed out their industry would be significantly hurt, because I’d they’re cutting two trillion dollars, a lot of that money is coming from their pockets.
i had about as much success arguing that the dems were a reasonable choice as I do on here pointing out their extremism. I am stating without doubt the brand was perceived as toxic. Go ahead and memorize some of those Hal jokes on here mocking everyone who disagrees with them. Try those jokes in public who are not dems.
maybe trumps terrible job gives the dems a reprieve, but that’s on trump, not the reasonableness of the dems. Five years ago I stopped watching that hbo comic because I thought he was insane blaming the dems for wokeness. I was right where you are. This election changed that perception. America voted for the Jan six guy, and ignored the he is a convict argument. Because groceries were up ten bucks? Cmon, the brand was deemed as toxic.
Disagree...the brand definitely needs to get its message together but trump won because he's a fucking liar and a great actor
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018) The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.
But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.
And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.
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“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them.
After the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.
I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.
But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028.
It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.
Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing.
I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media.
Sorry. Then I'm gonna need to see some polling that accounts for the shift because of the WOKE.
The context is NY is a deep blue state. I did provide a national poll that had too woke at 53%, but that wasn’t good enough. Assuming the Rep, Dem, Ind split is 40/40/20%. That’s almost everyone who is not a D believing the party is too woke.
right before the election, I had a medical procedure where I needed a lot of rehab. I met many therapists helping my recovery. Many who benefit directly from increased health spending and ACA. This was around the time of Musk chanting on the MSG stage he was going to cut two trillion dollars in USA spending. I know, more anecdotes.
So a few of my therapists were undecided in those last few weeks. I pointed out their industry would be significantly hurt, because I’d they’re cutting two trillion dollars, a lot of that money is coming from their pockets.
i had about as much success arguing that the dems were a reasonable choice as I do on here pointing out their extremism. I am stating without doubt the brand was perceived as toxic. Go ahead and memorize some of those Hal jokes on here mocking everyone who disagrees with them. Try those jokes in public who are not dems.
maybe trumps terrible job gives the dems a reprieve, but that’s on trump, not the reasonableness of the dems. Five years ago I stopped watching that hbo comic because I thought he was insane blaming the dems for wokeness. I was right where you are. This election changed that perception. America voted for the Jan six guy, and ignored the he is a convict argument. Because groceries were up ten bucks? Cmon, the brand was deemed as toxic.
Again. You keep presenting anecdotal evidence and painting it as widespread fact. If you have polling that says moderate democrats are turned off by wokeism gone too far, then fine.
We probably won’t have definitive exit polling for 2024 until later this year, but right now, the decreased turnout and party shifts seem to be Economic concern driven.
“My barber said he hates woke, and trump won, so he’s right”.
“If trump loses it will be his loss, not a dem win”. 😂
everything the republican party has become you try to label the democrats as. It’s just so silly. If you think bill maher is ahead of his time, you’re as out of touch as he is. Mainstream dems are not woke. Unless you’ve been brainwashed into thinking anything centre/left is woke.
People mainly vote one or both of 2 things: their wallets and their fears.
Trump somehow convinced 74 million dopes he’d bring the price of groceries down, and end all conflict and get rid of all the scary brown men.
The indies and moderate republicans will realize how they were duped in 26 and 28.
The pendulum will continue to swing, while “experts” try to convince everyone how smart they are.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
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But the example was given on going back to where you're from and talking like you did in the past. This was in Idaho apparently. I have no knowledge of AOC's residence history, so I don't know if she was channeling her Idahoan past.
I just find it odd for campaigning/fundraising purposes.
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
https://x.com/JHardRTolkien/status/1912162403845878218?t=5NCbzm6gaQ9PW05C2c_q8A&s=19
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
https://x.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1902841407989326283?t=ja2od5Aatp73Pkck5fZTCg&s=19
https://x.com/america/status/1848478685365780687?t=q-NczX2vCQ4xvbghjWdF6w&s=19
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
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“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labourThe Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.
But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028.
I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media. And Bernie AOC are drawing their biggest crowds ever with crowds screaming for dei and hamas. You think that wins AZ PA WI, great. I doubt it.
I guess we are the only 3.
right before the election, I had a medical procedure where I needed a lot of rehab. I met many therapists helping my recovery. Many who benefit directly from increased health spending and ACA. This was around the time of Musk chanting on the MSG stage he was going to cut two trillion dollars in USA spending. I know, more anecdotes.
So a few of my therapists were undecided in those last few weeks. I pointed out their industry would be significantly hurt, because I’d they’re cutting two trillion dollars, a lot of that money is coming from their pockets.
i had about as much success arguing that the dems were a reasonable choice as I do on here pointing out their extremism. I am stating without doubt the brand was perceived as toxic. Go ahead and memorize some of those Hal jokes on here mocking everyone who disagrees with them. Try those jokes in public who are not dems.
maybe trumps terrible job gives the dems a reprieve, but that’s on trump, not the reasonableness of the dems. Five years ago I stopped watching that hbo comic because I thought he was insane blaming the dems for wokeness. I was right where you are. This election changed that perception. America voted for the Jan six guy, and ignored the he is a convict argument. Because groceries were up ten bucks? Cmon, the brand was deemed as toxic.
I got news for you, Dems ain’t riding to the rescue. And repubs and indies own it.
Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.
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The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
everything the republican party has become you try to label the democrats as. It’s just so silly. If you think bill maher is ahead of his time, you’re as out of touch as he is. Mainstream dems are not woke. Unless you’ve been brainwashed into thinking anything centre/left is woke.