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Lerxst1992

Tim Simmons said:

Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.

I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris. 

But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.

Gern Blansten

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.

I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris. 

But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.

The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.

Vitalogensia

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.

I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris. 

But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.

The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.

Agreed. Once I see “woke” written as a pejorative, safe bet that everything following isn’t worth reading. 

Lerxst1992

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.

I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris. 

But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.

The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.

And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.

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“Among working-class ­voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ­ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird ­direction”, said one, “lost touch with our ­priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labour

Gern Blansten

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.

I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris. 

But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.

The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.

And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.

..

“Among working-class ­voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ­ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird ­direction”, said one, “lost touch with our ­priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labour

That % might be correct...but it's because the right wing pushed it, not because of legislation supported by democrats.

mrussel1

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.

I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris. 

But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.

The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.

And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.

..

“Among working-class ­voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ­ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird ­direction”, said one, “lost touch with our ­priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labour

Where is your data on the perception of the economy by voters?  You seem really focused on woke and not at all focused on inflation which was, by a long shot, the number one issue for voters. 

Go Beavers

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.

I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris. 

But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.

The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.

And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.

..

“Among working-class ­voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ­ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird ­direction”, said one, “lost touch with our ­priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labour

You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them. 

Lerxst1992

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.

I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris. 

But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.

The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.

And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.

..

“Among working-class ­voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ­ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird ­direction”, said one, “lost touch with our ­priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labour

You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them. 

After the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.

I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.

But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028. 

It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.

cblock4life

New contender?  Fight fire with fire?  

https://apple.news/AeHqBVuKKSnCBKcNXgzFsOA

Tim Simmons

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.

I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris. 

But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.

The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.

And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.

..

“Among working-class ­voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ­ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird ­direction”, said one, “lost touch with our ­priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labour

You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them. 

After the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.

I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.

But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028. 

It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.

Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing. 

Tim Simmons

I’d also argue what Bernie and AOC are fighting for (accountability for leaders, taxation of billionaires, investment in local communities and not corporations, preventing politicians from investing in companies that they pass legislation on) are what the broader population wants and could be successful. 

The only people who talk about WOKE, are people on the right. It’s been so co-opted, people don’t say Woke with any seriousness. Instead they just try to push for having care and concern for marginalized populations. 

Lerxst1992

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.

I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris. 

But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.

The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.

And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.

..

“Among working-class ­voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ­ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird ­direction”, said one, “lost touch with our ­priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labour

You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them. 

After the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.

I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.

But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028. 

It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.

Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing. 

I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media. And Bernie AOC are drawing their biggest  crowds ever with crowds screaming for dei and hamas. You think that wins AZ PA WI, great. I doubt it.

Lerxst1992

Tim Simmons said:

I’d also argue what Bernie and AOC are fighting for (accountability for leaders, taxation of billionaires, investment in local communities and not corporations, preventing politicians from investing in companies that they pass legislation on) are what the broader population wants and could be successful. 

The only people who talk about WOKE, are people on the right. It’s been so co-opted, people don’t say Woke with any seriousness. Instead they just try to push for having care and concern for marginalized populations. 

I've posted videos on here of Chris Matthew's and Bill Maher 

I guess we are the only 3.

Tim Simmons

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.

I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris. 

But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.

The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.

And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.

..

“Among working-class ­voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ­ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird ­direction”, said one, “lost touch with our ­priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labour

You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them. 

After the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.

I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.

But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028. 

It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.

Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing. 

I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media. 

Sorry. Then I'm gonna need to see some polling that accounts for the shift because of the WOKE. 

Tim Simmons

Because that’s all this seems to be. Your vibes from what you are seeing and feeling. 

Lerxst1992

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.

I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris. 

But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.

The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.

And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.

..

“Among working-class ­voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ­ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird ­direction”, said one, “lost touch with our ­priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labour

You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them. 

After the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.

I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.

But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028. 

It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.

Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing. 

I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media. 

Sorry. Then I'm gonna need to see some polling that accounts for the shift because of the WOKE. 

The context is NY is a deep blue state. I did provide a national poll that had too woke at 53%, but that wasn’t good enough. Assuming the Rep, Dem, Ind split is 40/40/20%. That’s almost everyone who is not a D believing the party is too woke.

right before the election, I had a medical procedure where I needed a lot of rehab. I met many therapists helping my recovery. Many who benefit directly from increased health spending and ACA. This was around the time of Musk chanting on the MSG stage he was going to cut two trillion dollars in USA spending. I know, more anecdotes.

So a few of my therapists were undecided in those last few weeks. I pointed out their industry would be significantly hurt, because I’d they’re cutting two trillion dollars, a lot of that money is coming from their pockets.

i had about as much success arguing that the dems were a reasonable choice as I do on here pointing out their extremism. I am stating without doubt the brand was perceived as toxic. Go ahead and memorize some of those Hal jokes on here  mocking everyone who disagrees with them. Try those jokes in public who are not dems.

maybe trumps terrible job gives the dems a reprieve, but that’s on trump, not the reasonableness of the dems. Five years ago I stopped watching that hbo comic because I thought he was insane blaming the dems for wokeness. I was right where you are. This election changed that perception. America voted for the Jan six guy, and ignored the he is a convict argument. Because groceries were up ten bucks? Cmon, the brand was deemed as toxic.

Halifax2TheMax

A Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.

I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris. 

But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.

The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.

And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.

..

“Among working-class ­voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ­ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird ­direction”, said one, “lost touch with our ­priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labour

You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them. 

After the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.

I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.

But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028. 

It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.

Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing. 

I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media. 

Sorry. Then I'm gonna need to see some polling that accounts for the shift because of the WOKE. 

The context is NY is a deep blue state. I did provide a national poll that had too woke at 53%, but that wasn’t good enough. Assuming the Rep, Dem, Ind split is 40/40/20%. That’s almost everyone who is not a D believing the party is too woke.

right before the election, I had a medical procedure where I needed a lot of rehab. I met many therapists helping my recovery. Many who benefit directly from increased health spending and ACA. This was around the time of Musk chanting on the MSG stage he was going to cut two trillion dollars in USA spending. I know, more anecdotes.

So a few of my therapists were undecided in those last few weeks. I pointed out their industry would be significantly hurt, because I’d they’re cutting two trillion dollars, a lot of that money is coming from their pockets.

i had about as much success arguing that the dems were a reasonable choice as I do on here pointing out their extremism. I am stating without doubt the brand was perceived as toxic. Go ahead and memorize some of those Hal jokes on here  mocking everyone who disagrees with them. Try those jokes in public who are not dems.

maybe trumps terrible job gives the dems a reprieve, but that’s on trump, not the reasonableness of the dems. Five years ago I stopped watching that hbo comic because I thought he was insane blaming the dems for wokeness. I was right where you are. This election changed that perception. America voted for the Jan six guy, and ignored the he is a convict argument. Because groceries were up ten bucks? Cmon, the brand was deemed as toxic.

‘Murica is a majority racist nation. It’s not that hard to figure out. Authoritarianism to save everyone from the other. Deport US citizens accused or convicted of crimes to overseas prisons? Meh. Shutting down any dissent against anything? More meh.

I got news for you, Dems ain’t riding to the rescue. And repubs and indies own it.

Gern Blansten

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.

I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris. 

But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.

The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.

And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.

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“Among working-class ­voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ­ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird ­direction”, said one, “lost touch with our ­priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labour

You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them. 

After the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.

I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.

But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028. 

It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.

Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing. 

I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media. 

Sorry. Then I'm gonna need to see some polling that accounts for the shift because of the WOKE. 

The context is NY is a deep blue state. I did provide a national poll that had too woke at 53%, but that wasn’t good enough. Assuming the Rep, Dem, Ind split is 40/40/20%. That’s almost everyone who is not a D believing the party is too woke.

right before the election, I had a medical procedure where I needed a lot of rehab. I met many therapists helping my recovery. Many who benefit directly from increased health spending and ACA. This was around the time of Musk chanting on the MSG stage he was going to cut two trillion dollars in USA spending. I know, more anecdotes.

So a few of my therapists were undecided in those last few weeks. I pointed out their industry would be significantly hurt, because I’d they’re cutting two trillion dollars, a lot of that money is coming from their pockets.

i had about as much success arguing that the dems were a reasonable choice as I do on here pointing out their extremism. I am stating without doubt the brand was perceived as toxic. Go ahead and memorize some of those Hal jokes on here  mocking everyone who disagrees with them. Try those jokes in public who are not dems.

maybe trumps terrible job gives the dems a reprieve, but that’s on trump, not the reasonableness of the dems. Five years ago I stopped watching that hbo comic because I thought he was insane blaming the dems for wokeness. I was right where you are. This election changed that perception. America voted for the Jan six guy, and ignored the he is a convict argument. Because groceries were up ten bucks? Cmon, the brand was deemed as toxic.

Disagree...the brand definitely needs to get its message together but trump won because he's a fucking liar and a great actor

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Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.

I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris. 

But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.

The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.

And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.

..

“Among working-class ­voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ­ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird ­direction”, said one, “lost touch with our ­priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labour

You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them. 

After the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.

I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.

But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028. 

It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.

Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing. 

I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media. 

Sorry. Then I'm gonna need to see some polling that accounts for the shift because of the WOKE. 

The context is NY is a deep blue state. I did provide a national poll that had too woke at 53%, but that wasn’t good enough. Assuming the Rep, Dem, Ind split is 40/40/20%. That’s almost everyone who is not a D believing the party is too woke.

right before the election, I had a medical procedure where I needed a lot of rehab. I met many therapists helping my recovery. Many who benefit directly from increased health spending and ACA. This was around the time of Musk chanting on the MSG stage he was going to cut two trillion dollars in USA spending. I know, more anecdotes.

So a few of my therapists were undecided in those last few weeks. I pointed out their industry would be significantly hurt, because I’d they’re cutting two trillion dollars, a lot of that money is coming from their pockets.

i had about as much success arguing that the dems were a reasonable choice as I do on here pointing out their extremism. I am stating without doubt the brand was perceived as toxic. Go ahead and memorize some of those Hal jokes on here  mocking everyone who disagrees with them. Try those jokes in public who are not dems.

maybe trumps terrible job gives the dems a reprieve, but that’s on trump, not the reasonableness of the dems. Five years ago I stopped watching that hbo comic because I thought he was insane blaming the dems for wokeness. I was right where you are. This election changed that perception. America voted for the Jan six guy, and ignored the he is a convict argument. Because groceries were up ten bucks? Cmon, the brand was deemed as toxic.

Again. You keep presenting anecdotal evidence and painting it as widespread fact. If you have polling that says moderate democrats are turned off by wokeism gone too far, then fine. 

We probably won’t have definitive exit polling for 2024 until later this year, but right now, the decreased turnout and party shifts seem to be Economic concern driven.

HughFreakingDillon

“My barber said he hates woke, and trump won, so he’s right”. 

“If trump loses it will be his loss, not a dem win”. 😂 

everything the republican party has become you try to label the democrats as. It’s just so silly. If you think bill maher is ahead of his time, you’re as out of touch as he is. Mainstream dems are not woke. Unless you’ve been brainwashed into thinking anything centre/left is woke. 

People mainly vote one or both of 2 things: their wallets and their fears. 

Trump somehow convinced 74 million dopes he’d bring the price of groceries down, and end all conflict and get rid of all the scary brown men. 

The indies and moderate republicans will realize how they were duped in 26 and 28. 

The pendulum will continue to swing, while “experts” try to convince everyone how smart they are.