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The poll you’re relying on wasn’t linked in the earlier article, which is a red flagLerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Sorry. Then I'm gonna need to see some polling that accounts for the shift because of the WOKE.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing.Lerxst1992 said:Go Beavers said:
You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them.Lerxst1992 said:Gern Blansten said:
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.Lerxst1992 said:
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.Tim Simmons said:Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.
..“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labourAfter the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.
I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.
But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028.It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.
I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media.The context is NY is a deep blue state. I did provide a national poll that had too woke at 53%, but that wasn’t good enough. Assuming the Rep, Dem, Ind split is 40/40/20%. That’s almost everyone who is not a D believing the party is too woke.
right before the election, I had a medical procedure where I needed a lot of rehab. I met many therapists helping my recovery. Many who benefit directly from increased health spending and ACA. This was around the time of Musk chanting on the MSG stage he was going to cut two trillion dollars in USA spending. I know, more anecdotes.
So a few of my therapists were undecided in those last few weeks. I pointed out their industry would be significantly hurt, because I’d they’re cutting two trillion dollars, a lot of that money is coming from their pockets.
i had about as much success arguing that the dems were a reasonable choice as I do on here pointing out their extremism. I am stating without doubt the brand was perceived as toxic. Go ahead and memorize some of those Hal jokes on here mocking everyone who disagrees with them. Try those jokes in public who are not dems.
maybe trumps terrible job gives the dems a reprieve, but that’s on trump, not the reasonableness of the dems. Five years ago I stopped watching that hbo comic because I thought he was insane blaming the dems for wokeness. I was right where you are. This election changed that perception. America voted for the Jan six guy, and ignored the he is a convict argument. Because groceries were up ten bucks? Cmon, the brand was deemed as toxic.0 -
Go Beavers said:
The poll you’re relying on wasn’t linked in the earlier article, which is a red flagLerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Sorry. Then I'm gonna need to see some polling that accounts for the shift because of the WOKE.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing.Lerxst1992 said:Go Beavers said:
You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them.Lerxst1992 said:Gern Blansten said:
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.Lerxst1992 said:
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.Tim Simmons said:Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.
..“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labourAfter the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.
I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.
But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028.It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.
I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media.The context is NY is a deep blue state. I did provide a national poll that had too woke at 53%, but that wasn’t good enough. Assuming the Rep, Dem, Ind split is 40/40/20%. That’s almost everyone who is not a D believing the party is too woke.
right before the election, I had a medical procedure where I needed a lot of rehab. I met many therapists helping my recovery. Many who benefit directly from increased health spending and ACA. This was around the time of Musk chanting on the MSG stage he was going to cut two trillion dollars in USA spending. I know, more anecdotes.
So a few of my therapists were undecided in those last few weeks. I pointed out their industry would be significantly hurt, because I’d they’re cutting two trillion dollars, a lot of that money is coming from their pockets.
i had about as much success arguing that the dems were a reasonable choice as I do on here pointing out their extremism. I am stating without doubt the brand was perceived as toxic. Go ahead and memorize some of those Hal jokes on here mocking everyone who disagrees with them. Try those jokes in public who are not dems.
maybe trumps terrible job gives the dems a reprieve, but that’s on trump, not the reasonableness of the dems. Five years ago I stopped watching that hbo comic because I thought he was insane blaming the dems for wokeness. I was right where you are. This election changed that perception. America voted for the Jan six guy, and ignored the he is a convict argument. Because groceries were up ten bucks? Cmon, the brand was deemed as toxic.Y’all are proving my point about bias and dem extremism. Wasn’t linked in earlier article. It’s a Guardian story. Are they also lying. That’s a lot of hoops to jump thru.
took two seconds to find the poll. All I did was use the search function for 53 with in the last week and the guardian article in this very topic, pg 30. Here is the polling agency article, PPI. Guess they’re lying too
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Thank you for the link0
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Tim Simmons said:
Again. You keep presenting anecdotal evidence and painting it as widespread fact. If you have polling that says moderate democrats are turned off by wokeism gone too far, then fine.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Sorry. Then I'm gonna need to see some polling that accounts for the shift because of the WOKE.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing.Lerxst1992 said:Go Beavers said:
You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them.Lerxst1992 said:Gern Blansten said:
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.Lerxst1992 said:
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.Tim Simmons said:Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.
..“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labourAfter the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.
I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.
But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028.It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.
I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media.The context is NY is a deep blue state. I did provide a national poll that had too woke at 53%, but that wasn’t good enough. Assuming the Rep, Dem, Ind split is 40/40/20%. That’s almost everyone who is not a D believing the party is too woke.
right before the election, I had a medical procedure where I needed a lot of rehab. I met many therapists helping my recovery. Many who benefit directly from increased health spending and ACA. This was around the time of Musk chanting on the MSG stage he was going to cut two trillion dollars in USA spending. I know, more anecdotes.
So a few of my therapists were undecided in those last few weeks. I pointed out their industry would be significantly hurt, because I’d they’re cutting two trillion dollars, a lot of that money is coming from their pockets.
i had about as much success arguing that the dems were a reasonable choice as I do on here pointing out their extremism. I am stating without doubt the brand was perceived as toxic. Go ahead and memorize some of those Hal jokes on here mocking everyone who disagrees with them. Try those jokes in public who are not dems.
maybe trumps terrible job gives the dems a reprieve, but that’s on trump, not the reasonableness of the dems. Five years ago I stopped watching that hbo comic because I thought he was insane blaming the dems for wokeness. I was right where you are. This election changed that perception. America voted for the Jan six guy, and ignored the he is a convict argument. Because groceries were up ten bucks? Cmon, the brand was deemed as toxic.We probably won’t have definitive exit polling for 2024 until later this year, but right now, the decreased turnout and party shifts seem to be Economic concern driven.I posted the poll above for a second time, but that will not be good enough for you.
polls aren’t good enough. Two long time solid professional democratic commenters aren’t good enough (with both those videos posted on amt more than once). Overwhelming anecdotal evidence isn’t good enough. Overwhelming across the board electoral defeat to a convicted felon and insurrectionist aren’t good enough.
but yeah, let’s flood to record breaking red state rallies for AOC and Bernie because that’s what’s gonna get the senate and White House and the related Supreme Court back, lol.0 -
I guess we’ll see.0
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Pump the brakes. You’re not being attacked when someone wants to see a data source (which isn’t in the link). Your link is an opinion takeaway. This is significant though: ‘Overwhelmingly, change focused on two issues: inflation and immigration’Lerxst1992 said:Go Beavers said:
The poll you’re relying on wasn’t linked in the earlier article, which is a red flagLerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Sorry. Then I'm gonna need to see some polling that accounts for the shift because of the WOKE.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing.Lerxst1992 said:Go Beavers said:
You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them.Lerxst1992 said:Gern Blansten said:
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.Lerxst1992 said:
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.Tim Simmons said:Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.
..“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labourAfter the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.
I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.
But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028.It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.
I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media.The context is NY is a deep blue state. I did provide a national poll that had too woke at 53%, but that wasn’t good enough. Assuming the Rep, Dem, Ind split is 40/40/20%. That’s almost everyone who is not a D believing the party is too woke.
right before the election, I had a medical procedure where I needed a lot of rehab. I met many therapists helping my recovery. Many who benefit directly from increased health spending and ACA. This was around the time of Musk chanting on the MSG stage he was going to cut two trillion dollars in USA spending. I know, more anecdotes.
So a few of my therapists were undecided in those last few weeks. I pointed out their industry would be significantly hurt, because I’d they’re cutting two trillion dollars, a lot of that money is coming from their pockets.
i had about as much success arguing that the dems were a reasonable choice as I do on here pointing out their extremism. I am stating without doubt the brand was perceived as toxic. Go ahead and memorize some of those Hal jokes on here mocking everyone who disagrees with them. Try those jokes in public who are not dems.
maybe trumps terrible job gives the dems a reprieve, but that’s on trump, not the reasonableness of the dems. Five years ago I stopped watching that hbo comic because I thought he was insane blaming the dems for wokeness. I was right where you are. This election changed that perception. America voted for the Jan six guy, and ignored the he is a convict argument. Because groceries were up ten bucks? Cmon, the brand was deemed as toxic.Y’all are proving my point about bias and dem extremism. Wasn’t linked in earlier article. It’s a Guardian story. Are they also lying. That’s a lot of hoops to jump thru.
took two seconds to find the poll. All I did was use the search function for 53 with in the last week and the guardian article in this very topic, pg 30. Here is the polling agency article, PPI. Guess they’re lying too
but it’s much easier to clutch pearls and make disingenuous attacks than look in the mirror
And also one person thought the party was “going in a weird direction”.0 -
Tim Simmons said:I guess we’ll see.Dems should win the house, but that doesn’t help much with power to change. They dems need the senate and White House again to have a chance for a more balanced CourtThere’s also that famous cnn poll from march that had Dems at an all time low approval rating. The poll did not ask spefically about woke, but considering how extreme trump is, I find this excerpt from their article with the original poll results as telling…Dems went from57% mainstream to 48% out of the mainstream in one cycle.
..“Both the Democratic and the Republican parties are viewed by about half the public as having views and policies that are too extreme, rather than generally mainstream. That’s a change from 2022, when most Americans – 56% – called the Democratic Party’s positions mainstream. Views of the GOP have remained effectively unchanged over that time.
Political independents remain likelier to see the Republicans as out of the mainstream – 57% call the GOP too extreme, while 48% say the same of the Democrats. But 16% of Democrats call their own party too extreme, while just 9% of Republicans say the same of the GOP.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/16/politics/cnn-poll-democrats/index.html
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Its a shame that trying to be inclusive and kind are now problematic.
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I thought all polls were wrong 2016-present? Now they’re all correct?Interesting.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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Why wasn’t “woke” the number one issue for voters if that’s the problem? Why was it the economy? In fact, according to this Gallup poll conducted in October, “woke” isn’t anywhere on the list. Funny how close the 49-47 number is close to how it played out. But sure, keep acting like woke is the problem. You can read the top 22 for yourself.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Again. You keep presenting anecdotal evidence and painting it as widespread fact. If you have polling that says moderate democrats are turned off by wokeism gone too far, then fine.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Sorry. Then I'm gonna need to see some polling that accounts for the shift because of the WOKE.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing.Lerxst1992 said:Go Beavers said:
You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them.Lerxst1992 said:Gern Blansten said:
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.Lerxst1992 said:
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.Tim Simmons said:Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.
..“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labourAfter the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.
I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.
But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028.It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.
I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media.The context is NY is a deep blue state. I did provide a national poll that had too woke at 53%, but that wasn’t good enough. Assuming the Rep, Dem, Ind split is 40/40/20%. That’s almost everyone who is not a D believing the party is too woke.
right before the election, I had a medical procedure where I needed a lot of rehab. I met many therapists helping my recovery. Many who benefit directly from increased health spending and ACA. This was around the time of Musk chanting on the MSG stage he was going to cut two trillion dollars in USA spending. I know, more anecdotes.
So a few of my therapists were undecided in those last few weeks. I pointed out their industry would be significantly hurt, because I’d they’re cutting two trillion dollars, a lot of that money is coming from their pockets.
i had about as much success arguing that the dems were a reasonable choice as I do on here pointing out their extremism. I am stating without doubt the brand was perceived as toxic. Go ahead and memorize some of those Hal jokes on here mocking everyone who disagrees with them. Try those jokes in public who are not dems.
maybe trumps terrible job gives the dems a reprieve, but that’s on trump, not the reasonableness of the dems. Five years ago I stopped watching that hbo comic because I thought he was insane blaming the dems for wokeness. I was right where you are. This election changed that perception. America voted for the Jan six guy, and ignored the he is a convict argument. Because groceries were up ten bucks? Cmon, the brand was deemed as toxic.We probably won’t have definitive exit polling for 2024 until later this year, but right now, the decreased turnout and party shifts seem to be Economic concern driven.I posted the poll above for a second time, but that will not be good enough for you.
polls aren’t good enough. Two long time solid professional democratic commenters aren’t good enough (with both those videos posted on amt more than once). Overwhelming anecdotal evidence isn’t good enough. Overwhelming across the board electoral defeat to a convicted felon and insurrectionist aren’t good enough.
but yeah, let’s flood to record breaking red state rallies for AOC and Bernie because that’s what’s gonna get the senate and White House and the related Supreme Court back, lol.WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The economy ranks as the most important of 22 issues that U.S. registered voters say will influence their choice for president. It is the only issue on which a majority of voters, 52%, say the candidates’ positions on it are an “extremely important” influence on their vote. Another 38% of voters rate the economy as “very important,” which means the issue could be a significant factor to nine in 10 voters.
Voters view Donald Trump as better able than Kamala Harris to handle the economy, 54% versus 45%. Trump also has an edge on perceptions of his handling of immigration (+9 percentage points) and foreign affairs (+5), while Harris is seen as better on climate change (+26), abortion (+16) and healthcare (+10). The candidates are evenly matched on voters’ impressions of who would better address gun policy.
Just under half of voters overall agree with Trump (49%) or Harris (47%) on the issues that matter most to them.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/651719/economy-important-issue-2024-presidential-vote.aspx
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mrussel1 said:
Why wasn’t “woke” the number one issue for voters if that’s the problem? Why was it the economy? In fact, according to this Gallup poll conducted in October, “woke” isn’t anywhere on the list. Funny how close the 49-47 number is close to how it played out. But sure, keep acting like woke is the problem. You can read the top 22 for yourself.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Again. You keep presenting anecdotal evidence and painting it as widespread fact. If you have polling that says moderate democrats are turned off by wokeism gone too far, then fine.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Sorry. Then I'm gonna need to see some polling that accounts for the shift because of the WOKE.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing.Lerxst1992 said:Go Beavers said:
You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them.Lerxst1992 said:Gern Blansten said:
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.Lerxst1992 said:
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.Tim Simmons said:Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.
..“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labourAfter the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.
I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.
But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028.It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.
I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media.The context is NY is a deep blue state. I did provide a national poll that had too woke at 53%, but that wasn’t good enough. Assuming the Rep, Dem, Ind split is 40/40/20%. That’s almost everyone who is not a D believing the party is too woke.
right before the election, I had a medical procedure where I needed a lot of rehab. I met many therapists helping my recovery. Many who benefit directly from increased health spending and ACA. This was around the time of Musk chanting on the MSG stage he was going to cut two trillion dollars in USA spending. I know, more anecdotes.
So a few of my therapists were undecided in those last few weeks. I pointed out their industry would be significantly hurt, because I’d they’re cutting two trillion dollars, a lot of that money is coming from their pockets.
i had about as much success arguing that the dems were a reasonable choice as I do on here pointing out their extremism. I am stating without doubt the brand was perceived as toxic. Go ahead and memorize some of those Hal jokes on here mocking everyone who disagrees with them. Try those jokes in public who are not dems.
maybe trumps terrible job gives the dems a reprieve, but that’s on trump, not the reasonableness of the dems. Five years ago I stopped watching that hbo comic because I thought he was insane blaming the dems for wokeness. I was right where you are. This election changed that perception. America voted for the Jan six guy, and ignored the he is a convict argument. Because groceries were up ten bucks? Cmon, the brand was deemed as toxic.We probably won’t have definitive exit polling for 2024 until later this year, but right now, the decreased turnout and party shifts seem to be Economic concern driven.I posted the poll above for a second time, but that will not be good enough for you.
polls aren’t good enough. Two long time solid professional democratic commenters aren’t good enough (with both those videos posted on amt more than once). Overwhelming anecdotal evidence isn’t good enough. Overwhelming across the board electoral defeat to a convicted felon and insurrectionist aren’t good enough.
but yeah, let’s flood to record breaking red state rallies for AOC and Bernie because that’s what’s gonna get the senate and White House and the related Supreme Court back, lol.WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The economy ranks as the most important of 22 issues that U.S. registered voters say will influence their choice for president. It is the only issue on which a majority of voters, 52%, say the candidates’ positions on it are an “extremely important” influence on their vote. Another 38% of voters rate the economy as “very important,” which means the issue could be a significant factor to nine in 10 voters.
Voters view Donald Trump as better able than Kamala Harris to handle the economy, 54% versus 45%. Trump also has an edge on perceptions of his handling of immigration (+9 percentage points) and foreign affairs (+5), while Harris is seen as better on climate change (+26), abortion (+16) and healthcare (+10). The candidates are evenly matched on voters’ impressions of who would better address gun policy.
Just under half of voters overall agree with Trump (49%) or Harris (47%) on the issues that matter most to them.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/651719/economy-important-issue-2024-presidential-vote.aspx
Do you know if they specifically posed that question?
If you want to blame inflation , fine, the Democrats did a terrible job pinning inflation on Trump, who allowed the supply chain to break during covid.
If you want to blame immigration, fine. Then blame democrats for the failure to defend Biden's immigration record, including a reasonable explanation as to why New York City was overrun with migrants, and why they were handed luxury hotel rooms. And why the southern border was an absolute disgrace on the evening news for 2 years before biden did anything about it. Who's feelings were they afraid of hurting?
And then the million-dollar question, why were they so dishonest about Biden's condition. The absolute worst debate performance of all time , completely incompetent. A story they're doing their best to suppress, even now.
But hey, we got Bernie and AOC unfurling Palestinian Flags now, in front of tens of thousands of roaring fans in red states. Why does it smell like something funny is going on. Again.
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Because the last 10 years have damaged us all and we are all cynical and don't expect good things anymore so anyone in charge is already suspect.
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Good call. I could blame things like the economy and immigration which are both tangible and poll tested. Or I can believe your constant stream of complaining about woke and decide, by virtue of you being relentlessly annoying about it, that it must be true.Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
Why wasn’t “woke” the number one issue for voters if that’s the problem? Why was it the economy? In fact, according to this Gallup poll conducted in October, “woke” isn’t anywhere on the list. Funny how close the 49-47 number is close to how it played out. But sure, keep acting like woke is the problem. You can read the top 22 for yourself.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Again. You keep presenting anecdotal evidence and painting it as widespread fact. If you have polling that says moderate democrats are turned off by wokeism gone too far, then fine.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Sorry. Then I'm gonna need to see some polling that accounts for the shift because of the WOKE.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing.Lerxst1992 said:Go Beavers said:
You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them.Lerxst1992 said:Gern Blansten said:
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.Lerxst1992 said:
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.Tim Simmons said:Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.
..“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labourAfter the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.
I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.
But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028.It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.
I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media.The context is NY is a deep blue state. I did provide a national poll that had too woke at 53%, but that wasn’t good enough. Assuming the Rep, Dem, Ind split is 40/40/20%. That’s almost everyone who is not a D believing the party is too woke.
right before the election, I had a medical procedure where I needed a lot of rehab. I met many therapists helping my recovery. Many who benefit directly from increased health spending and ACA. This was around the time of Musk chanting on the MSG stage he was going to cut two trillion dollars in USA spending. I know, more anecdotes.
So a few of my therapists were undecided in those last few weeks. I pointed out their industry would be significantly hurt, because I’d they’re cutting two trillion dollars, a lot of that money is coming from their pockets.
i had about as much success arguing that the dems were a reasonable choice as I do on here pointing out their extremism. I am stating without doubt the brand was perceived as toxic. Go ahead and memorize some of those Hal jokes on here mocking everyone who disagrees with them. Try those jokes in public who are not dems.
maybe trumps terrible job gives the dems a reprieve, but that’s on trump, not the reasonableness of the dems. Five years ago I stopped watching that hbo comic because I thought he was insane blaming the dems for wokeness. I was right where you are. This election changed that perception. America voted for the Jan six guy, and ignored the he is a convict argument. Because groceries were up ten bucks? Cmon, the brand was deemed as toxic.We probably won’t have definitive exit polling for 2024 until later this year, but right now, the decreased turnout and party shifts seem to be Economic concern driven.I posted the poll above for a second time, but that will not be good enough for you.
polls aren’t good enough. Two long time solid professional democratic commenters aren’t good enough (with both those videos posted on amt more than once). Overwhelming anecdotal evidence isn’t good enough. Overwhelming across the board electoral defeat to a convicted felon and insurrectionist aren’t good enough.
but yeah, let’s flood to record breaking red state rallies for AOC and Bernie because that’s what’s gonna get the senate and White House and the related Supreme Court back, lol.WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The economy ranks as the most important of 22 issues that U.S. registered voters say will influence their choice for president. It is the only issue on which a majority of voters, 52%, say the candidates’ positions on it are an “extremely important” influence on their vote. Another 38% of voters rate the economy as “very important,” which means the issue could be a significant factor to nine in 10 voters.
Voters view Donald Trump as better able than Kamala Harris to handle the economy, 54% versus 45%. Trump also has an edge on perceptions of his handling of immigration (+9 percentage points) and foreign affairs (+5), while Harris is seen as better on climate change (+26), abortion (+16) and healthcare (+10). The candidates are evenly matched on voters’ impressions of who would better address gun policy.
Just under half of voters overall agree with Trump (49%) or Harris (47%) on the issues that matter most to them.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/651719/economy-important-issue-2024-presidential-vote.aspx
Do you know if they specifically posed that question?
If you want to blame inflation , fine, the Democrats did a terrible job pinning inflation on Trump, who allowed the supply chain to break during covid.
If you want to blame immigration, fine. Then blame democrats for the failure to defend Biden's immigration record, including a reasonable explanation as to why New York City was overrun with migrants, and why they were handed luxury hotel rooms. And why the southern border was an absolute disgrace on the evening news for 2 years before biden did anything about it. Who's feelings were they afraid of hurting?
And then the million-dollar question, why were they so dishonest about Biden's condition. The absolute worst debate performance of all time , completely incompetent. A story they're doing their best to suppress, even now.
But hey, we got Bernie and AOC unfurling Palestinian Flags now, in front of tens of thousands of roaring fans in red states. Why does it smell like something funny is going on. Again.0 -
Polls that ask about transgender rights have the answer placing the least important. You seem to think this was one of the top issues.Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
Why wasn’t “woke” the number one issue for voters if that’s the problem? Why was it the economy? In fact, according to this Gallup poll conducted in October, “woke” isn’t anywhere on the list. Funny how close the 49-47 number is close to how it played out. But sure, keep acting like woke is the problem. You can read the top 22 for yourself.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Again. You keep presenting anecdotal evidence and painting it as widespread fact. If you have polling that says moderate democrats are turned off by wokeism gone too far, then fine.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Sorry. Then I'm gonna need to see some polling that accounts for the shift because of the WOKE.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing.Lerxst1992 said:Go Beavers said:
You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them.Lerxst1992 said:Gern Blansten said:
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.Lerxst1992 said:
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.Tim Simmons said:Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.
..“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labourAfter the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.
I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.
But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028.It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.
I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media.The context is NY is a deep blue state. I did provide a national poll that had too woke at 53%, but that wasn’t good enough. Assuming the Rep, Dem, Ind split is 40/40/20%. That’s almost everyone who is not a D believing the party is too woke.
right before the election, I had a medical procedure where I needed a lot of rehab. I met many therapists helping my recovery. Many who benefit directly from increased health spending and ACA. This was around the time of Musk chanting on the MSG stage he was going to cut two trillion dollars in USA spending. I know, more anecdotes.
So a few of my therapists were undecided in those last few weeks. I pointed out their industry would be significantly hurt, because I’d they’re cutting two trillion dollars, a lot of that money is coming from their pockets.
i had about as much success arguing that the dems were a reasonable choice as I do on here pointing out their extremism. I am stating without doubt the brand was perceived as toxic. Go ahead and memorize some of those Hal jokes on here mocking everyone who disagrees with them. Try those jokes in public who are not dems.
maybe trumps terrible job gives the dems a reprieve, but that’s on trump, not the reasonableness of the dems. Five years ago I stopped watching that hbo comic because I thought he was insane blaming the dems for wokeness. I was right where you are. This election changed that perception. America voted for the Jan six guy, and ignored the he is a convict argument. Because groceries were up ten bucks? Cmon, the brand was deemed as toxic.We probably won’t have definitive exit polling for 2024 until later this year, but right now, the decreased turnout and party shifts seem to be Economic concern driven.I posted the poll above for a second time, but that will not be good enough for you.
polls aren’t good enough. Two long time solid professional democratic commenters aren’t good enough (with both those videos posted on amt more than once). Overwhelming anecdotal evidence isn’t good enough. Overwhelming across the board electoral defeat to a convicted felon and insurrectionist aren’t good enough.
but yeah, let’s flood to record breaking red state rallies for AOC and Bernie because that’s what’s gonna get the senate and White House and the related Supreme Court back, lol.WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The economy ranks as the most important of 22 issues that U.S. registered voters say will influence their choice for president. It is the only issue on which a majority of voters, 52%, say the candidates’ positions on it are an “extremely important” influence on their vote. Another 38% of voters rate the economy as “very important,” which means the issue could be a significant factor to nine in 10 voters.
Voters view Donald Trump as better able than Kamala Harris to handle the economy, 54% versus 45%. Trump also has an edge on perceptions of his handling of immigration (+9 percentage points) and foreign affairs (+5), while Harris is seen as better on climate change (+26), abortion (+16) and healthcare (+10). The candidates are evenly matched on voters’ impressions of who would better address gun policy.
Just under half of voters overall agree with Trump (49%) or Harris (47%) on the issues that matter most to them.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/651719/economy-important-issue-2024-presidential-vote.aspx
Do you know if they specifically posed that question?
If you want to blame inflation , fine, the Democrats did a terrible job pinning inflation on Trump, who allowed the supply chain to break during covid.
If you want to blame immigration, fine. Then blame democrats for the failure to defend Biden's immigration record, including a reasonable explanation as to why New York City was overrun with migrants, and why they were handed luxury hotel rooms. And why the southern border was an absolute disgrace on the evening news for 2 years before biden did anything about it. Who's feelings were they afraid of hurting?
And then the million-dollar question, why were they so dishonest about Biden's condition. The absolute worst debate performance of all time , completely incompetent. A story they're doing their best to suppress, even now.
But hey, we got Bernie and AOC unfurling Palestinian Flags now, in front of tens of thousands of roaring fans in red states. Why does it smell like something funny is going on. Again.0 -
Go Beavers said:
Polls that ask about transgender rights have the answer placing the least important. You seem to think this was one of the top issues.Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
Why wasn’t “woke” the number one issue for voters if that’s the problem? Why was it the economy? In fact, according to this Gallup poll conducted in October, “woke” isn’t anywhere on the list. Funny how close the 49-47 number is close to how it played out. But sure, keep acting like woke is the problem. You can read the top 22 for yourself.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Again. You keep presenting anecdotal evidence and painting it as widespread fact. If you have polling that says moderate democrats are turned off by wokeism gone too far, then fine.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Sorry. Then I'm gonna need to see some polling that accounts for the shift because of the WOKE.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing.Lerxst1992 said:Go Beavers said:
You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them.Lerxst1992 said:Gern Blansten said:
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.Lerxst1992 said:
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.Tim Simmons said:Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.
..“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labourAfter the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.
I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.
But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028.It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.
I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media.The context is NY is a deep blue state. I did provide a national poll that had too woke at 53%, but that wasn’t good enough. Assuming the Rep, Dem, Ind split is 40/40/20%. That’s almost everyone who is not a D believing the party is too woke.
right before the election, I had a medical procedure where I needed a lot of rehab. I met many therapists helping my recovery. Many who benefit directly from increased health spending and ACA. This was around the time of Musk chanting on the MSG stage he was going to cut two trillion dollars in USA spending. I know, more anecdotes.
So a few of my therapists were undecided in those last few weeks. I pointed out their industry would be significantly hurt, because I’d they’re cutting two trillion dollars, a lot of that money is coming from their pockets.
i had about as much success arguing that the dems were a reasonable choice as I do on here pointing out their extremism. I am stating without doubt the brand was perceived as toxic. Go ahead and memorize some of those Hal jokes on here mocking everyone who disagrees with them. Try those jokes in public who are not dems.
maybe trumps terrible job gives the dems a reprieve, but that’s on trump, not the reasonableness of the dems. Five years ago I stopped watching that hbo comic because I thought he was insane blaming the dems for wokeness. I was right where you are. This election changed that perception. America voted for the Jan six guy, and ignored the he is a convict argument. Because groceries were up ten bucks? Cmon, the brand was deemed as toxic.We probably won’t have definitive exit polling for 2024 until later this year, but right now, the decreased turnout and party shifts seem to be Economic concern driven.I posted the poll above for a second time, but that will not be good enough for you.
polls aren’t good enough. Two long time solid professional democratic commenters aren’t good enough (with both those videos posted on amt more than once). Overwhelming anecdotal evidence isn’t good enough. Overwhelming across the board electoral defeat to a convicted felon and insurrectionist aren’t good enough.
but yeah, let’s flood to record breaking red state rallies for AOC and Bernie because that’s what’s gonna get the senate and White House and the related Supreme Court back, lol.WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The economy ranks as the most important of 22 issues that U.S. registered voters say will influence their choice for president. It is the only issue on which a majority of voters, 52%, say the candidates’ positions on it are an “extremely important” influence on their vote. Another 38% of voters rate the economy as “very important,” which means the issue could be a significant factor to nine in 10 voters.
Voters view Donald Trump as better able than Kamala Harris to handle the economy, 54% versus 45%. Trump also has an edge on perceptions of his handling of immigration (+9 percentage points) and foreign affairs (+5), while Harris is seen as better on climate change (+26), abortion (+16) and healthcare (+10). The candidates are evenly matched on voters’ impressions of who would better address gun policy.
Just under half of voters overall agree with Trump (49%) or Harris (47%) on the issues that matter most to them.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/651719/economy-important-issue-2024-presidential-vote.aspx
Do you know if they specifically posed that question?
If you want to blame inflation , fine, the Democrats did a terrible job pinning inflation on Trump, who allowed the supply chain to break during covid.
If you want to blame immigration, fine. Then blame democrats for the failure to defend Biden's immigration record, including a reasonable explanation as to why New York City was overrun with migrants, and why they were handed luxury hotel rooms. And why the southern border was an absolute disgrace on the evening news for 2 years before biden did anything about it. Who's feelings were they afraid of hurting?
And then the million-dollar question, why were they so dishonest about Biden's condition. The absolute worst debate performance of all time , completely incompetent. A story they're doing their best to suppress, even now.
But hey, we got Bernie and AOC unfurling Palestinian Flags now, in front of tens of thousands of roaring fans in red states. Why does it smell like something funny is going on. Again.Polls like that are not proof the brand had gotten tarnished.0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:“My barber said he hates woke, and trump won, so he’s right”.“If trump loses it will be his loss, not a dem win”. 😂
everything the republican party has become you try to label the democrats as. It’s just so silly. If you think bill maher is ahead of his time, you’re as out of touch as he is. Mainstream dems are not woke. Unless you’ve been brainwashed into thinking anything centre/left is woke.People mainly vote one or both of 2 things: their wallets and their fears.Trump somehow convinced 74 million dopes he’d bring the price of groceries down, and end all conflict and get rid of all the scary brown men.The indies and moderate republicans will realize how they were duped in 26 and 28.The pendulum will continue to swing, while “experts” try to convince everyone how smart they are.Again comments proving lack of complex thought, lack of context, pretending the first step here was my anecdotal story
Context meaning, we’d been thru polls, expert commentators, election results, so the next step was anecdotal. Keep pretending that was the first and only step. And you insist on not quoting. Guess yer looking for plausible deniability. Ha!
And those comments keep demonstrating complete lack of critical thought. My anecdotal story was regarding my rehab and developing specific expectations of the folks I was talking with. I did say therapists, occupational and physio, related to a significant recovery, who depend specifically on the American care system and benefit greatly from it. I did mention discussing musk and the two trillion promised cuts right before the election? There’s an expectation developed there, it’s not just a simple anecdote. Those cuts most definitely would need to include our care system that they depend their livelihood on.
Further, if your comments had the ability to apply one percent critical thought, you’d realize the majority of these type of therapists are female. At least here in the blue state NY region (which again, enhances expectations), if you know anything about that from Socialandia. So I am talking about mostly females in the wake of the Dobbs decision, if you could show any idea what that means. And rely on the USA care system, expectation they’d at least identify a tiny bit with what the Dems are trying to sell the public. That’s the point, you completely missed but had to go out of your ways to bend the rules here by taking personal shots and also embarsss yerself.
And your mocking anecdote, a barber? Really? Do your comments demonstrate the ability to develop an expectation? Any critical thinking? A barber is probably self employed, cash business who in most cases the expectation would be someone who hates democrats because of? It’s a three letter word. That one you gotta know up there in the great north social land.
Keep demonstrating a lack of critical thinking while insisting on mocking, when clearly the critical thinking is significantly lacking. Cuz u gotta get those zings in!
But, please, continue on from your Socialandia, where you are challenged to think in order to make ends meet, while taking great risk if you are wrong. Ha!
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mrussel1 said:
Good call. I could blame things like the economy and immigration which are both tangible and poll tested. Or I can believe your constant stream of complaining about woke and decide, by virtue of you being relentlessly annoying about it, that it must be true.Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
Why wasn’t “woke” the number one issue for voters if that’s the problem? Why was it the economy? In fact, according to this Gallup poll conducted in October, “woke” isn’t anywhere on the list. Funny how close the 49-47 number is close to how it played out. But sure, keep acting like woke is the problem. You can read the top 22 for yourself.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Again. You keep presenting anecdotal evidence and painting it as widespread fact. If you have polling that says moderate democrats are turned off by wokeism gone too far, then fine.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Sorry. Then I'm gonna need to see some polling that accounts for the shift because of the WOKE.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing.Lerxst1992 said:Go Beavers said:
You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them.Lerxst1992 said:Gern Blansten said:
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.Lerxst1992 said:
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.Tim Simmons said:Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.
..“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labourAfter the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.
I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.
But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028.It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.
I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media.The context is NY is a deep blue state. I did provide a national poll that had too woke at 53%, but that wasn’t good enough. Assuming the Rep, Dem, Ind split is 40/40/20%. That’s almost everyone who is not a D believing the party is too woke.
right before the election, I had a medical procedure where I needed a lot of rehab. I met many therapists helping my recovery. Many who benefit directly from increased health spending and ACA. This was around the time of Musk chanting on the MSG stage he was going to cut two trillion dollars in USA spending. I know, more anecdotes.
So a few of my therapists were undecided in those last few weeks. I pointed out their industry would be significantly hurt, because I’d they’re cutting two trillion dollars, a lot of that money is coming from their pockets.
i had about as much success arguing that the dems were a reasonable choice as I do on here pointing out their extremism. I am stating without doubt the brand was perceived as toxic. Go ahead and memorize some of those Hal jokes on here mocking everyone who disagrees with them. Try those jokes in public who are not dems.
maybe trumps terrible job gives the dems a reprieve, but that’s on trump, not the reasonableness of the dems. Five years ago I stopped watching that hbo comic because I thought he was insane blaming the dems for wokeness. I was right where you are. This election changed that perception. America voted for the Jan six guy, and ignored the he is a convict argument. Because groceries were up ten bucks? Cmon, the brand was deemed as toxic.We probably won’t have definitive exit polling for 2024 until later this year, but right now, the decreased turnout and party shifts seem to be Economic concern driven.I posted the poll above for a second time, but that will not be good enough for you.
polls aren’t good enough. Two long time solid professional democratic commenters aren’t good enough (with both those videos posted on amt more than once). Overwhelming anecdotal evidence isn’t good enough. Overwhelming across the board electoral defeat to a convicted felon and insurrectionist aren’t good enough.
but yeah, let’s flood to record breaking red state rallies for AOC and Bernie because that’s what’s gonna get the senate and White House and the related Supreme Court back, lol.WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The economy ranks as the most important of 22 issues that U.S. registered voters say will influence their choice for president. It is the only issue on which a majority of voters, 52%, say the candidates’ positions on it are an “extremely important” influence on their vote. Another 38% of voters rate the economy as “very important,” which means the issue could be a significant factor to nine in 10 voters.
Voters view Donald Trump as better able than Kamala Harris to handle the economy, 54% versus 45%. Trump also has an edge on perceptions of his handling of immigration (+9 percentage points) and foreign affairs (+5), while Harris is seen as better on climate change (+26), abortion (+16) and healthcare (+10). The candidates are evenly matched on voters’ impressions of who would better address gun policy.
Just under half of voters overall agree with Trump (49%) or Harris (47%) on the issues that matter most to them.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/651719/economy-important-issue-2024-presidential-vote.aspx
Do you know if they specifically posed that question?
If you want to blame inflation , fine, the Democrats did a terrible job pinning inflation on Trump, who allowed the supply chain to break during covid.
If you want to blame immigration, fine. Then blame democrats for the failure to defend Biden's immigration record, including a reasonable explanation as to why New York City was overrun with migrants, and why they were handed luxury hotel rooms. And why the southern border was an absolute disgrace on the evening news for 2 years before biden did anything about it. Who's feelings were they afraid of hurting?
And then the million-dollar question, why were they so dishonest about Biden's condition. The absolute worst debate performance of all time , completely incompetent. A story they're doing their best to suppress, even now.
But hey, we got Bernie and AOC unfurling Palestinian Flags now, in front of tens of thousands of roaring fans in red states. Why does it smell like something funny is going on. Again.The point is dems should be trying to win the center. Showing trump is bad from the center has much more power with voters that matter than running to the socialist healthcare and Hamas crowd. we used to agree on this point. Until you went to loving the extreme of the party. Why don’t you forget what I have to say and run out to another record breaking red state AOC Bernie rally! Cuz that’s gonna win the senate next year!0 -
You seem to be taking the curves tail and mistaking it for the mean. You don’t have to look any further than party leadership to see where the party truly stands. And it’s not universal HC. And it’s not Palestinian flags.0
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And those comments keep demonstrating complete lack of critical thought. My anecdotal story was regarding my rehab and developing specific expectations of the folks I was talking with. I did say therapists, occupational and physio, related to a significant recovery, who depend specifically on the American care system and benefit greatly from it. I did mention discussing musk and the two trillion promised cuts right before the election? There’s an expectation developed there, it’s not just a simple anecdote. Those cuts most definitely would need to include our care system that they depend their livelihood on.
Further, if your comments had the ability to apply one percent critical thought, you’d realize the majority of these type of therapists are female. At least here in the blue state NY region (which again, enhances expectations), if you know anything about that from Socialandia. So I am talking about mostly females in the wake of the Dobbs decision, if you could show any idea what that means. And rely on the USA care system, expectation they’d at least identify a tiny bit with what the Dems are trying to sell the public. That’s the point, you completely missed but had to go out of your ways to bend the rules here by taking personal shots and also embarsss yerself.
This is bringing up the conversation from a couple of weeks back. IDK how you can have these interactions with people and then conclude, it’s the Woke that got to them, and not the gigantic misinformation machine looking to create confusion, anger and distortion of facts.0 -
Wait what? I went to the extreme? Please go find a comment where I opined positively on woke or Hamas. You won’t find it. You’re full of crap, continuously, thinking you speak for the motives and thoughts of others.Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
Good call. I could blame things like the economy and immigration which are both tangible and poll tested. Or I can believe your constant stream of complaining about woke and decide, by virtue of you being relentlessly annoying about it, that it must be true.Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
Why wasn’t “woke” the number one issue for voters if that’s the problem? Why was it the economy? In fact, according to this Gallup poll conducted in October, “woke” isn’t anywhere on the list. Funny how close the 49-47 number is close to how it played out. But sure, keep acting like woke is the problem. You can read the top 22 for yourself.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Again. You keep presenting anecdotal evidence and painting it as widespread fact. If you have polling that says moderate democrats are turned off by wokeism gone too far, then fine.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Sorry. Then I'm gonna need to see some polling that accounts for the shift because of the WOKE.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
Dude. This is all anecdotal. You’re also painting all dems with such a broad brush. The “doubling down” is the exact opposite of what leadership is doing.Lerxst1992 said:Go Beavers said:
You taken narratives about the left generated by the right that flourished on social media and you’re assuming they’re an accurate representation of the left. At some point you’ll see that the dems can’t keep chasing these bs themes from the right because it’s whack a mole goal post moving all the time with them.Lerxst1992 said:Gern Blansten said:
The whole "general woke mentality" seems like a right wing talking point to me. Harris was tolerant, she wasn't beating a drum about men playing in women's sports. You seem to believe the Fox talking points heavily.Lerxst1992 said:
I’m just trying to point out how the other side and independents see democrats. How a few big policies and a general woke mentality is viewed by the majority in swing states who rejected Harris.Tim Simmons said:Its also possible to have both. Reach Middle America and have progressive policies.But of course round here self reflection won’t happen, only jokes about the price of eggs to explain Harris loss.And blaming Fox News goes right along with the eggs excuse. It prevents rational analysis. 53% is far beyond the reach of fox. And the quotes from this article could come right outta AMT.
..“Among working-class voters, 53% agreed the Dems had gone “too far in pushing a woke ideology”. They’ve “gone in a weird direction”, said one, “lost touch with our priorities”, said another. Worse still was the sense that any voter who disagreed with them was “a bad person”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/07/wokeness-patriotism-change-kamala-harris-defeat-labourAfter the pandemic, back in 2022 when remote work here in NY was winding down, we got the old work lunch gang back together. Mostly non political guys, who lean left if anything. They were not happy about NYs overreaction to Covid, as well as very very unhappy about the men competing women’s sports, that I didn’t pay attention to much back then. All of them. I could smell something was bad, and that sense never went away.
I was blindsided, couldn’t believe it. I made all the obvious points, that this impacts about ten women on the planet. And how about Jan 6. Nothing worked and they were saying maybe trump aint that bad. it built up thru the election, at least with some social circles I access.
But that’s not the worst, after a terrible loss to trump, dems are doubling down on woke. Doubling down on AOC and Bernie. Doubling down on dei. Doubling down on Hamas. These are all great ways to lose big in 2028.It’s clear, to me at least, the woke bubble, for lack of a better title, is just as powerful on the left as fox on the right. It’s even happening in blue states. Anyone on here, compare the nys vote 2024 to 2020 and report back.
I understand what anecdotal is. But I lived it. And the results bear that out. NY swung ten points to R. Thats insanely underreported by the media.The context is NY is a deep blue state. I did provide a national poll that had too woke at 53%, but that wasn’t good enough. Assuming the Rep, Dem, Ind split is 40/40/20%. That’s almost everyone who is not a D believing the party is too woke.
right before the election, I had a medical procedure where I needed a lot of rehab. I met many therapists helping my recovery. Many who benefit directly from increased health spending and ACA. This was around the time of Musk chanting on the MSG stage he was going to cut two trillion dollars in USA spending. I know, more anecdotes.
So a few of my therapists were undecided in those last few weeks. I pointed out their industry would be significantly hurt, because I’d they’re cutting two trillion dollars, a lot of that money is coming from their pockets.
i had about as much success arguing that the dems were a reasonable choice as I do on here pointing out their extremism. I am stating without doubt the brand was perceived as toxic. Go ahead and memorize some of those Hal jokes on here mocking everyone who disagrees with them. Try those jokes in public who are not dems.
maybe trumps terrible job gives the dems a reprieve, but that’s on trump, not the reasonableness of the dems. Five years ago I stopped watching that hbo comic because I thought he was insane blaming the dems for wokeness. I was right where you are. This election changed that perception. America voted for the Jan six guy, and ignored the he is a convict argument. Because groceries were up ten bucks? Cmon, the brand was deemed as toxic.We probably won’t have definitive exit polling for 2024 until later this year, but right now, the decreased turnout and party shifts seem to be Economic concern driven.I posted the poll above for a second time, but that will not be good enough for you.
polls aren’t good enough. Two long time solid professional democratic commenters aren’t good enough (with both those videos posted on amt more than once). Overwhelming anecdotal evidence isn’t good enough. Overwhelming across the board electoral defeat to a convicted felon and insurrectionist aren’t good enough.
but yeah, let’s flood to record breaking red state rallies for AOC and Bernie because that’s what’s gonna get the senate and White House and the related Supreme Court back, lol.WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The economy ranks as the most important of 22 issues that U.S. registered voters say will influence their choice for president. It is the only issue on which a majority of voters, 52%, say the candidates’ positions on it are an “extremely important” influence on their vote. Another 38% of voters rate the economy as “very important,” which means the issue could be a significant factor to nine in 10 voters.
Voters view Donald Trump as better able than Kamala Harris to handle the economy, 54% versus 45%. Trump also has an edge on perceptions of his handling of immigration (+9 percentage points) and foreign affairs (+5), while Harris is seen as better on climate change (+26), abortion (+16) and healthcare (+10). The candidates are evenly matched on voters’ impressions of who would better address gun policy.
Just under half of voters overall agree with Trump (49%) or Harris (47%) on the issues that matter most to them.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/651719/economy-important-issue-2024-presidential-vote.aspx
Do you know if they specifically posed that question?
If you want to blame inflation , fine, the Democrats did a terrible job pinning inflation on Trump, who allowed the supply chain to break during covid.
If you want to blame immigration, fine. Then blame democrats for the failure to defend Biden's immigration record, including a reasonable explanation as to why New York City was overrun with migrants, and why they were handed luxury hotel rooms. And why the southern border was an absolute disgrace on the evening news for 2 years before biden did anything about it. Who's feelings were they afraid of hurting?
And then the million-dollar question, why were they so dishonest about Biden's condition. The absolute worst debate performance of all time , completely incompetent. A story they're doing their best to suppress, even now.
But hey, we got Bernie and AOC unfurling Palestinian Flags now, in front of tens of thousands of roaring fans in red states. Why does it smell like something funny is going on. Again.The point is dems should be trying to win the center. Showing trump is bad from the center has much more power with voters that matter than running to the socialist healthcare and Hamas crowd. we used to agree on this point. Until you went to loving the extreme of the party. Why don’t you forget what I have to say and run out to another record breaking red state AOC Bernie rally! Cuz that’s gonna win the senate next year!The energy of any party is on the extreme wing. It’s true for both parties. So seeing Bernie and AOC hold rallies doesn’t freak me out. It’s what I expect. When it comes time to vote the center left has won out since 1972. Until that changes you’ll excuse me for not freaking out and living my life like a normal person.0
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