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edited January 2023 in A Moving Train
Figure we should have a companion to the GOP thread.

  



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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    mickeyrat said:
    Figure we should have a companion to the GOP thread.

      



    lol isnt every other thread just most of us complaining about democrats being weak on most issues?
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    or about how two democrats are shooting biden in the foot all the time?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,356
    edited December 2022
    well now we have one spot to do so....
    we also needed another thread to vent about fuckstick in ....

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,356
     
    Young voters' enthusiasm for Democrats waned during midterms
    By WILL WEISSERT and HANNAH FINGERHUT
    Today

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Young voters who have been critical to Democratic successes in recent elections showed signs in November's midterms that their enthusiasm may be waning, a potential warning sign for a party that will need their strong backing heading into the 2024 presidential race.

    Voters under 30 went 53% for Democratic House candidates compared with only 41% for Republican candidates nationwide, according to AP VoteCast, a sweeping national survey of the electorate. But that level of support for Democrats was down compared with 2020, when such voters supported President Joe Biden over his predecessor, Donald Trump, 61% to 36%. And in 2018, when Democrats used a midterm surge to retake control of the House, voters 18 to 29 went 64% for the party compared with 34% for the GOP.

    Biden's party nonetheless exceeded midterm expectations, holding the Senate and surrendering only a small Republican House majority. The president himself hailed young voter turnout as “historic.” Still, the trend line for younger voters may be an early indicator of the Democrats' challenge to maintain the coalition of Black people, women, college-educated voters, city dwellers and suburbanites that has buoyed the party in the years since Trump won the White House.

    Weakness in any part of that voting bloc could have implications during the next presidential race. Biden, who will be a few weeks shy of his 82nd birthday on Election Day 2024, says he intends to run again. Trump, 76, has already announced his candidacy.

    “There might have been retrenchment in youth voters,” said Michael McDonald, a political science professor at the University of Florida and an expert on voting and data.

    McDonald cautioned against reading too much into what could be an anomaly. But he said the shift may have been fueled by issues like high inflation, which has hit young people especially hard since their wages are less likely to increase fast enough to keep pace with rising prices.

    “Youngest people also have the weakest partisan attachments, so they can be more susceptible to partisan swings nationally,” McDonald said. "There’s no reason why Republicans can’t rebound among younger people.”

    Indeed, VoteCast shows only about a quarter of Democrats under 30 say being a Democrat is “extremely” or “very” important to them, compared with roughly a third of older Democrats.

    The data showed that voters under 30 did not support Democrats decisively enough to sway key races nationally, but the news wasn't all bad for the party. Midterm voters under 45 — an age bracket that includes Generation Z and millennials — backed Biden's party at rates that exceeded his 2020 support in races for governor of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Kansas, as well as the race for Senate in Pennsylvania.

    Democratic Lt. Gov. John Fetterman beat Republican celebrity heart surgeon Dr. Mehmet Oz in Pennsylvania’s Senate contest while getting 62% of the vote of those 18 to 44. That was slightly better than Biden’s 56% with such voters in 2020. In the Pennsylvania governor’s race, Democrat Josh Shapiro also won while outpacing Biden’s support in 2020, earning 64% of that age group.

    Kansas Gov. Laura Kelly won a second term by modestly outperforming 2020 margins with voters under 45 in the red state, 52% to Biden’s 45%. Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer also commandingly secured reelection while garnering a somewhat larger percentage of the state’s voters under 45 in 2022, 61%, than Biden did in 2020, 54%.

    Michigan allows people to register to vote on Election Day, which prompted such long lines on college campuses that the last ballot cast at the University of Michigan came at 2:05 a.m.

    But states allowing last-minute registration didn't lift Democrats everywhere. The party's candidates underperformed Biden’s margins among voters under 45 in some key races, including in governors' races in New Hampshire and Nevada, which both allow registration through Election Day.

    In Nevada's race for governor, Democratic incumbent Steve Sisolak was defeated with support for his party among voters under 45 at 54%, somewhat lagging Biden's 61% support in 2020. The same pattern occurred in New Hampshire: 43% for Democrat Tom Sherman vs. 59% for Biden. There, Republican Gov. Chris Sununu was easily reelected.

    Cristina Tzintzún Ramirez, president of NextGen America, a progressive organization that works to mobilize young voters, said the group contacted 90% of eligible voters between the ages of 18 and 35 in Pennsylvania, calling, texting or seeing them in person on college campuses. VoteCast showed that 34% of Pennsylvania voters ages 18 to 29 said they were exclusively contacted on behalf of the statewide Democratic candidates, more than older voters.

    Tzintzún Ramirez said young voters reported being most concerned about the economy and racial justice, at least until after the Supreme Court overturned the landmark Roe v. Wade decision in June. After that, she said, “Abortion surged to the front.”

    VoteCast found that about half of young voters in some of the most competitive states said the Roe reversal had a major impact on their decision to turn out. In Michigan, where an amendment to constitutionally protect abortion rights in the state passed on Election Day, about half of voters under 45 said they were “angry” about Roe being overturned.

    VoteCast found that 36% of all voters under 45 identify as progressive Democrats, compared with 20% of older voters. It also showed that younger voters — particularly those under 30 — were especially likely to say that immigrants help more than hurt the U.S. and that racism in the country is a very serious problem.

    “For us, it’s not just about a politician or a party,” Tzintzún Ramirez said. “It’s about delivering on a vision for our country that is more just and that will reflect the realities of a generation that is facing a climate crisis, growing racial injustice, runaway inequality and a democracy in decline.”

    Not being fully enamored with one party or the other also showed up in VoteCast results. Even in places where Democratic support among young voters was strong, voters 18 to 44 tended to be less enthusiastic about candidates they supported than older voters.

    That was true in the swing states of Arizona, where Democrats won the Senate and governor’s race, and in Wisconsin, where the party won the governorship but Republican Sen. Ron Johnson was reelected. And in Georgia, where Republican Gov. Brian Kemp was reelected but Democratic Sen. Raphael Warnock secured a second term in a runoff.

    Santiago Mayer, a political science major at California State University, Long Beach who founded the student-led advocacy group Voters of Tomorrow, said those findings didn't surprise him given that young voters tend to be independent. But he also said many are also deeply progressive, which means that currently, “Republicans have declared war against Generation Z.”

    “Young voters are voting against Republicans, and Democrats are obviously the better option,” said Mayer, 20, whose group used volunteers nationwide to call and text Georgia voters ages 18 to 29 some 2.5 million times. "But eventually, when we’ll have two years when Republicans hopefully will transition back to sanity, the emphasis will be in getting elected officials that actually represent what Gen Z wants.”

    Among Fetterman voters in Pennsylvania, 57% of those ages 45 and older said they supported the Democrat enthusiastically, but only 43% of younger voters did. Of those under 45, the same number, 43%, backed Fetterman with reservations and 12% did so as they opposed the other candidates.

    Despite a seeming youth voter enthusiasm gap, David Jackson, a Bowling Green State University professor whose research focuses on links between entertainment and political preferences, said that it was “way too early to say we've moved on from celebrity politics." He noted that “Hillbilly Elegy” author JD Vance was elected to the Senate from Ohio last month.

    According to VoteCast, the youngest Ohio voters — those ages 18 to 29 — split about evenly for Vance and Democrat Tim Ryan, whereas voters ages 30 to 44 were more likely to back Ryan, at 58%.

    Still, Jackson added that, as politics has gotten increasingly confrontational, voters are showing they are less inclined to fall deeply in love with candidates and instead are casting ballots more “from a self-defense standpoint.”

    “There’s always been the assumption that younger people are more likely to be moved by celebrities,” Jackson said. "But that’s not necessarily the case since the rise of Trump, since he’s been the ultimate celebrity candidate.”

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    Follow the AP’s coverage of the 2022 midterm elections at https://apnews.com/hub/2022-midterm-elections. Find more details about AP VoteCast’s methodology at https://www.ap.org/votecast.


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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    bump
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    They forgot to do opposition research on that fraud congressman elect in NY
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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    I feel like people aren’t big fans of Fetterman. I’m not into Pennsylvania primary politics much, nor do I get into nylon basketball shorts or Carhardt, but I sure was glad he beat the TV doctor. I do have a little bit of a soft spot for the big lug though.😊

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  • VitalogensiaVitalogensia Posts: 2,032
    I bought the Fetterman "Wegner's" sticker, which is hilarious.  Only time I've ever given money to a campaign.  I moved to Pittsburgh in 2006, when he became mayor of Braddock, so I've known of him for awhile (not that I follow him closely.)  Fetterman is an unfamiliar sight though, in comparison to just about every other politician.  He seems to be genuine, hope he is.  I think people will warm up to him the more they get to know him and he starts gaining some wins. 
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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    Vitalogensia said:
    I bought the Fetterman "Wegner's" sticker, which is hilarious.  Only time I've ever given money to a campaign.  I moved to Pittsburgh in 2006, when he became mayor of Braddock, so I've known of him for awhile (not that I follow him closely.)  Fetterman is an unfamiliar sight though, in comparison to just about every other politician.  He seems to be genuine, hope he is.  I think people will warm up to him the more they get to know him and he starts gaining some wins. 
    Looking forward to it. Dude looks like Lincoln.

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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    Big Hakeem Jeffries fan here. Just puttin’ it out there. Thanks.

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  • HobbesHobbes Pacific Northwest Posts: 6,428
    This is leadership:


  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    jeffries' speech last night was terrible in my opinion. he had a dimestore obama style of delivery. nobody wanted to hear that last night at 1 am. the gop was yelling at him to pass the gavel. and so was i.

    in my opinion it was not his place to grandstand like that. introduce the speaker, pass the gavel, and get to work. that is what i wanted to see. not a 15 min recap of the last congress. the dems are going to need the non maga reps to come across the aisle on some legislation, and i think all he did last night was piss them off.

    i like the guy, but to me, that was embarrassing. should have let the gop have their moment and then fight them starting next week.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,374
    edited January 2023
    Hobbes said:
    This is leadership:


    The repubs will drop CRT and pursue this new way of teaching the ABCs, banning it from all public schools. In fact, I think Kevin has asked Maggie Three Names to take the lead on drafting the legislation.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,677
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    jeffries' speech last night was terrible in my opinion. he had a dimestore obama style of delivery. nobody wanted to hear that last night at 1 am. the gop was yelling at him to pass the gavel. and so was i.

    in my opinion it was not his place to grandstand like that. introduce the speaker, pass the gavel, and get to work. that is what i wanted to see. not a 15 min recap of the last congress. the dems are going to need the non maga reps to come across the aisle on some legislation, and i think all he did last night was piss them off.

    i like the guy, but to me, that was embarrassing. should have let the gop have their moment and then fight them starting next week.
    I loved it. He was basically telling them that the Dems aren't going to bow down to their bullshit. It is going to be two years of absolute bullshit.

    McCarthy even said that Monday their first priority is to pass a bill to halt the hiring of 87000 IRS agents. As if Biden is going to sign it?
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Gern Blansten said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    jeffries' speech last night was terrible in my opinion. he had a dimestore obama style of delivery. nobody wanted to hear that last night at 1 am. the gop was yelling at him to pass the gavel. and so was i.

    in my opinion it was not his place to grandstand like that. introduce the speaker, pass the gavel, and get to work. that is what i wanted to see. not a 15 min recap of the last congress. the dems are going to need the non maga reps to come across the aisle on some legislation, and i think all he did last night was piss them off.

    i like the guy, but to me, that was embarrassing. should have let the gop have their moment and then fight them starting next week.
    I loved it. He was basically telling them that the Dems aren't going to bow down to their bullshit. It is going to be two years of absolute bullshit.

    McCarthy even said that Monday their first priority is to pass a bill to halt the hiring of 87000 IRS agents. As if Biden is going to sign it?
    did he need 15 minutes for that? did he need to channel obama with his abcs freestyle like that? come on. he just lost the speakership. have some class and pass the gavel and get on with the work of the people.

    to me it was just a bad look i guess.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    imagine if jeffries won and a republican did that shit before passing the gavel.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    everything has to be a production. everything has to have some zazzz to it. just do the fucking thing you are supposed to do and get off of the dais.
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  • HobbesHobbes Pacific Northwest Posts: 6,428
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Hobbes said:
    This is leadership:


    The repubs will drop CRT and pursue this new way of teaching the ABCs, banning it from all public schools. In fact, I think Kevin has asked Maggie Three Names to take the lead on drafting the legislation.
    Uh oh, the grooming has already begun.


  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,677
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    imagine if jeffries won and a republican did that shit before passing the gavel.
     Don't they always? This didn't seem like anything unusual to me....other than it taking 15 votes for the GOP to get a speaker. That in itself seems to have justified a response from the Dems.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    edited January 2023
    Gern Blansten said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    imagine if jeffries won and a republican did that shit before passing the gavel.
     Don't they always? This didn't seem like anything unusual to me....other than it taking 15 votes for the GOP to get a speaker. That in itself seems to have justified a response from the Dems.
    i disagree. i just felt that that speech at that time in that moment added to the sense of global embarrassment i have for our congress. i actually cringed and said to my gf "is he really gonna do this right now?"

    on top of the shit show of it taking  4 days and 15 votes we are going to have the guy that is supposed to introduce the speaker and pass the gavel talk a bunch of trash and do his best fresh prince bars before doing so? come on. i was embarrassed.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,374
    I look forward to Hakeem skewering the repubs when he gives the dem floor speech responses to their vindictive, mean, visionless and soon to be failed or vetoed legislation.

    Kevin, and his party, do not deserve nor warrant the decorum and the decency of the past “peaceful” transitions of power. Kevin has emboldened and empowered the worst fringes of his party and they’re not going away. The House of Representatives just became a road block to holding POOTWH accountable. Fuck him and them. Appeasement and legitimizing evil never results in good outcomes.
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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    edited January 2023
    I liked his speech. Looking forward to more of them. 

    Edit:Hakeem’s not the other guy. Lol, sorry
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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    edited January 2023
    My congressional district will be represented by a (D) for the first time in, I think, forever. Hillary Scholten. So that’s nice. Big fan of hers.
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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    edited January 2023
    Hi! said:
    My congressional district will be represented by a (D) for the first time in, I think, forever. Hillary Scholten. So that’s nice. Big fan of hers.
    Was just reading she’s actually the first woman to represent the 3rd. Nice! They did redraw the maps for this election, so whether or not she was the first Dem, I’m not sure.

    Edit: First Dem in 50 yrs.
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  • lindamarie73lindamarie73 Posts: 453
    Hi! said:
    My congressional district will be represented by a (D) for the first time in, I think, forever. Hillary Scholten. So that’s nice. Big fan of hers.
    Well you know what that always means….Time to MOVE!!! Lol 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,356
    lindamarie73 said:
    Hi! said:
    My congressional district will be represented by a (D) for the first time in, I think, forever. Hillary Scholten. So that’s nice. Big fan of hers.
    Well you know what that always means….Time to MOVE!!! Lol 
    you dont believe a citizen should be represented by someone who appears to share their values?

    What are R's so fucking afraid of if their ideas are so goddamn shit hot. hmm? only to a select few which is why they game the system.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,374
    lindamarie73 said:
    Hi! said:
    My congressional district will be represented by a (D) for the first time in, I think, forever. Hillary Scholten. So that’s nice. Big fan of hers.
    Well you know what that always means….Time to MOVE!!! Lol 
    Says the guy/gal giving us the Hawaiian greetings from one dem run state to another. LOL!
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,489
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    everything has to be a production. everything has to have some zazzz to it. just do the fucking thing you are supposed to do and get off of the dais.
    It is so tiresome isn’t it? Blowhards…yuck.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,489
    After watching some of the biggest dumbasses in the GOP grandstand for what seemed like months…how long was this speaker vote anyhow????…

    I’m losing interest in paying attention. It’s just like WWE without the athleticism and good writing ;)
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