Kamala Harris VEEP Pick

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I’m enjoying the weird show.

AMT has become the weird show.  It used to be a great place to talk about current events.  No more.  I'm done with this place. 

lol...see you tomorrow

No, seriously  Gern, I'm over it.  I'm even seriously consider not renewing my PJ membership next time it comes due.

 AMT and Other Music and sometimes The Porch are the main reasons I've maintained membership here.  Since I joined the Steve Hoffman forums , I get plenty of interaction about music there (and they have a fully functioning ignore option) and I can always lurk Other Music, AET, and The Porch here without a membership.  But unless these forums add an improved "Ignore" function that works properly, I don't have the time or patience to sift through the bullshit from the very few people whose only purpose for being here is to troll and/or "entertain themselves" (how weak is that!), and who dominate this site with their endless bating.  If I were able to block those people, I would be happy to stay here.  But these thread are saturated with ghosted images of the people I put on ignore and their comments show up anyway because y'all keep quoting them.

Sorry folks.  You know I love a bunch of you, but I'm over it.

cblock4life said:

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I’m enjoying the weird show.

AMT has become the weird show.  It used to be a great place to talk about current events.  No more.  I'm done with this place. 

lol...see you tomorrow

No, seriously  Gern, I'm over it.  I'm even seriously consider not renewing my PJ membership next time it comes due.

 AMT and Other Music and sometimes The Porch are the main reasons I've maintained membership here.  Since I joined the Steve Hoffman forums , I get plenty of interaction about music there (and they have a fully functioning ignore option) and I can always lurk Other Music, AET, and The Porch here without a membership.  But unless these forums add an improved "Ignore" function that works properly, I don't have the time or patience to sift through the bullshit from the very few people whose only purpose for being here is to troll and/or "entertain themselves" (how weak is that!), and who dominate this site with their endless bating.  If I were able to block those people, I would be happy to stay here.  But these thread are saturated with ghosted images of the people I put on ignore and their comments show up anyway because y'all keep quoting them.

Sorry folks.  You know I love a bunch of you, but I'm over it.

I apologize if I’ve contributed to your feelings, however, it’s important to get opinions/thoughts from some older folks 😉 folks from other countries, people of various age groups (all the black pj members quit posting), etc.  
Sometimes it just helps to let it all go silent for a bit.  I hope you don’t quit.  I neglected my participation in making the earth healthier when I was younger so who’s going to teach me about it if you quit…just don’t quit.  

Oh, no C, no way!  I appreciate the heck out of you!              

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

Tim Simmons said:

The Teskiniec post highlights everything that’s wrong with the political discourse in the US right now (probably the world too). Everybody has an opinion about feminine hygiene products in boys bathrooms, whether they care or if it affects them or not. Save the people it actually affects, it’s not a real issue. But economic policy IS a real issue that affects all of us at almost every level. But it’s complex to talk about and it’s not fun or visceral unlike getting pissed about free tampons. It’s easier to have an opinion about tampons and politicians and the cable media 2ants us to talk about that because it gets eyeballs and prevents us from talking bout not sexy issues like monetary policy. 

This leads to the culture shit and uninformed opinions and allows con artists like Trump or MAGA or Hannity or whoever to manipulate people s opinions. 

How many people does putting tampons in bathrooms actually help though? We're talking about females who identify/transitioned into males, who aren't taking any medication that would prevent their period, and who rely on school for period products. I have no idea, but that's got to be a really low number, like 0.1% of the population who fits all that?
So instead of telling that maybe 1 student who would actually use the tampons in the boys bathroom to go to the counseling office or nurse instead, the answer is to put tampons everywhere.
Just seems like a huge waste of money to install and maintain dispensers when no one probably even needs it anyway. Especially starting in the 4th grade. If they were around when I was in high school I'm sure the game would be how many tampons can you tie to your friends backpack without them noticing. And they'd probably run out faster in the boys room than the girls. Just seems like a waste of money and a wrong area of focus when there's so many other things in education that deserve attention and when alternate solutions are available. 

asking people to sacrifice their privacy isn't the answer either. If it helps even one kid feel "normal", then I'm all for it. 

To me it just seems more like the coddling of our kids and not expecting anything from them. Some schools don't offer premium or catered lunches now because it would hurt the feelings of those on free school lunch and the Pizza Hut line doesn't qualify for free lunch, so now no kid gets Pizza Hut because it might hurt someone's feelings to watch someone else eat pizza. The amount that we hold the hands of kids is a little sad these days. We make regulations for an entire district so that 1 kid doesn't have to go to the nurse to ask for a tampon. It's part of life, I don't see it as doing any favors for kids when we coddle them so much. I had huge 1/2" thick glasses ever since I was in first grade. Should we have made every kid wear glasses so I didn't feel isolated? No, you learn to live with it and move on. It's not like anyone is saying deny necessities to any of these kids. Its the idea that there might maybe be one kid in the 11th grade who uses a tampon and prefers the male bathroom, so lets stock every bathroom from 4th grade on up with them instead of explaining to that one kid here's the situation, here's how we accommodate you and here's how you can help yourself in this situation. 

You seem focused on the "1 kid" being the reason behind such a thing. It is really far beyond that.

When my kids were in elementary school and their lunch money ran out they got a PBJ sandwich. So anyone eating a PBJ got the scarlet letter of "poor" or whatever that day or days until their lunch money account got replenished. I exaggerate a bit but it was always a bit embarrassing for them when that happened.

But by taking the attitude that changes are made because it might hurt "someone's" feelings I think is a bit shallow. Changes are made because it benefits the group overall for whatever reason.

It reminds me of visiting my son in third or fourth grade at school and having lunch with him. We all get our lunch and sit at the table and literally 2-3 kids at our table weren't eating. I didn't think much about it at first but then about 5 minutes in this cart gets wheeled out and kids line up to buy bags of popcorn, potato chips, those sugar filled barrels of fake fruit drink, etc. It was the most pathetic thing I have ever seen for kids to push aside a decent nutritious lunch for garbage. And we came to find out that the PTA was the beneficiary of the funds from this bullshit. Luckily that only lasted a year or so. And the school was so full of kids that they only had about 15 minutes to grab lunch, sit, eat, clear out so the next group could come in. I think we ate lunch at like 1030 that day which was another surprise to me.

How many kids do you think benefit from having period products in boys bathrooms? We're talking about trans boys who aren't taking medicine to suppress their period (which is very common, even for non trans), who regularly use the boys bathroom, and who rely on the school system for those products. I wouldn't be surprised if not even 1 kid in my district fit that bill. So yeah, it's a big program for a problem that might not even exist. 

The Juggler said:

Tim Simmons said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

Tim Simmons said:

The Teskiniec post highlights everything that’s wrong with the political discourse in the US right now (probably the world too). Everybody has an opinion about feminine hygiene products in boys bathrooms, whether they care or if it affects them or not. Save the people it actually affects, it’s not a real issue. But economic policy IS a real issue that affects all of us at almost every level. But it’s complex to talk about and it’s not fun or visceral unlike getting pissed about free tampons. It’s easier to have an opinion about tampons and politicians and the cable media 2ants us to talk about that because it gets eyeballs and prevents us from talking bout not sexy issues like monetary policy. 

This leads to the culture shit and uninformed opinions and allows con artists like Trump or MAGA or Hannity or whoever to manipulate people s opinions. 

How many people does putting tampons in bathrooms actually help though? We're talking about females who identify/transitioned into males, who aren't taking any medication that would prevent their period, and who rely on school for period products. I have no idea, but that's got to be a really low number, like 0.1% of the population who fits all that?
So instead of telling that maybe 1 student who would actually use the tampons in the boys bathroom to go to the counseling office or nurse instead, the answer is to put tampons everywhere.
Just seems like a huge waste of money to install and maintain dispensers when no one probably even needs it anyway. Especially starting in the 4th grade. If they were around when I was in high school I'm sure the game would be how many tampons can you tie to your friends backpack without them noticing. And they'd probably run out faster in the boys room than the girls. Just seems like a waste of money and a wrong area of focus when there's so many other things in education that deserve attention and when alternate solutions are available. 

asking people to sacrifice their privacy isn't the answer either. If it helps even one kid feel "normal", then I'm all for it. 

To me it just seems more like the coddling of our kids and not expecting anything from them. Some schools don't offer premium or catered lunches now because it would hurt the feelings of those on free school lunch and the Pizza Hut line doesn't qualify for free lunch, so now no kid gets Pizza Hut because it might hurt someone's feelings to watch someone else eat pizza. The amount that we hold the hands of kids is a little sad these days. We make regulations for an entire district so that 1 kid doesn't have to go to the nurse to ask for a tampon. It's part of life, I don't see it as doing any favors for kids when we coddle them so much. I had huge 1/2" thick glasses ever since I was in first grade. Should we have made every kid wear glasses so I didn't feel isolated? No, you learn to live with it and move on. It's not like anyone is saying deny necessities to any of these kids. Its the idea that there might maybe be one kid in the 11th grade who uses a tampon and prefers the male bathroom, so lets stock every bathroom from 4th grade on up with them instead of explaining to that one kid here's the situation, here's how we accommodate you and here's how you can help yourself in this situation. 

You seem focused on the "1 kid" being the reason behind such a thing. It is really far beyond that.

When my kids were in elementary school and their lunch money ran out they got a PBJ sandwich. So anyone eating a PBJ got the scarlet letter of "poor" or whatever that day or days until their lunch money account got replenished. I exaggerate a bit but it was always a bit embarrassing for them when that happened.

But by taking the attitude that changes are made because it might hurt "someone's" feelings I think is a bit shallow. Changes are made because it benefits the group overall for whatever reason.

It reminds me of visiting my son in third or fourth grade at school and having lunch with him. We all get our lunch and sit at the table and literally 2-3 kids at our table weren't eating. I didn't think much about it at first but then about 5 minutes in this cart gets wheeled out and kids line up to buy bags of popcorn, potato chips, those sugar filled barrels of fake fruit drink, etc. It was the most pathetic thing I have ever seen for kids to push aside a decent nutritious lunch for garbage. And we came to find out that the PTA was the beneficiary of the funds from this bullshit. Luckily that only lasted a year or so. And the school was so full of kids that they only had about 15 minutes to grab lunch, sit, eat, clear out so the next group could come in. I think we ate lunch at like 1030 that day which was another surprise to me.

How many kids do you think benefit from having period products in boys bathrooms? We're talking about trans boys who aren't taking medicine to suppress their period (which is very common, even for non trans), who regularly use the boys bathroom, and who rely on the school system for those products. I wouldn't be surprised if not even 1 kid in my district fit that bill. So yeah, it's a big program for a problem that might not even exist. 

If people are asking for it, it exists. Sure, maybe its for .5% of all MN kids, but who is it hurting to have them accessible? 

A lot of magas' feelings, apparently...

Glorified KC said:

teskeinc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

Tim Simmons said:

The Teskiniec post highlights everything that’s wrong with the political discourse in the US right now (probably the world too). Everybody has an opinion about feminine hygiene products in boys bathrooms, whether they care or if it affects them or not. Save the people it actually affects, it’s not a real issue. But economic policy IS a real issue that affects all of us at almost every level. But it’s complex to talk about and it’s not fun or visceral unlike getting pissed about free tampons. It’s easier to have an opinion about tampons and politicians and the cable media 2ants us to talk about that because it gets eyeballs and prevents us from talking bout not sexy issues like monetary policy. 

This leads to the culture shit and uninformed opinions and allows con artists like Trump or MAGA or Hannity or whoever to manipulate people s opinions. 

How many people does putting tampons in bathrooms actually help though? We're talking about females who identify/transitioned into males, who aren't taking any medication that would prevent their period, and who rely on school for period products. I have no idea, but that's got to be a really low number, like 0.1% of the population who fits all that?
So instead of telling that maybe 1 student who would actually use the tampons in the boys bathroom to go to the counseling office or nurse instead, the answer is to put tampons everywhere.
Just seems like a huge waste of money to install and maintain dispensers when no one probably even needs it anyway. Especially starting in the 4th grade. If they were around when I was in high school I'm sure the game would be how many tampons can you tie to your friends backpack without them noticing. And they'd probably run out faster in the boys room than the girls. Just seems like a waste of money and a wrong area of focus when there's so many other things in education that deserve attention and when alternate solutions are available. 

asking people to sacrifice their privacy isn't the answer either. If it helps even one kid feel "normal", then I'm all for it. 

To me it just seems more like the coddling of our kids and not expecting anything from them. Some schools don't offer premium or catered lunches now because it would hurt the feelings of those on free school lunch and the Pizza Hut line doesn't qualify for free lunch, so now no kid gets Pizza Hut because it might hurt someone's feelings to watch someone else eat pizza. The amount that we hold the hands of kids is a little sad these days. We make regulations for an entire district so that 1 kid doesn't have to go to the nurse to ask for a tampon. It's part of life, I don't see it as doing any favors for kids when we coddle them so much. I had huge 1/2" thick glasses ever since I was in first grade. Should we have made every kid wear glasses so I didn't feel isolated? No, you learn to live with it and move on. It's not like anyone is saying deny necessities to any of these kids. Its the idea that there might maybe be one kid in the 11th grade who uses a tampon and prefers the male bathroom, so lets stock every bathroom from 4th grade on up with them instead of explaining to that one kid here's the situation, here's how we accommodate you and here's how you can help yourself in this situation. 

You seem focused on the "1 kid" being the reason behind such a thing. It is really far beyond that.

When my kids were in elementary school and their lunch money ran out they got a PBJ sandwich. So anyone eating a PBJ got the scarlet letter of "poor" or whatever that day or days until their lunch money account got replenished. I exaggerate a bit but it was always a bit embarrassing for them when that happened.

But by taking the attitude that changes are made because it might hurt "someone's" feelings I think is a bit shallow. Changes are made because it benefits the group overall for whatever reason.

It reminds me of visiting my son in third or fourth grade at school and having lunch with him. We all get our lunch and sit at the table and literally 2-3 kids at our table weren't eating. I didn't think much about it at first but then about 5 minutes in this cart gets wheeled out and kids line up to buy bags of popcorn, potato chips, those sugar filled barrels of fake fruit drink, etc. It was the most pathetic thing I have ever seen for kids to push aside a decent nutritious lunch for garbage. And we came to find out that the PTA was the beneficiary of the funds from this bullshit. Luckily that only lasted a year or so. And the school was so full of kids that they only had about 15 minutes to grab lunch, sit, eat, clear out so the next group could come in. I think we ate lunch at like 1030 that day which was another surprise to me.

Imagine kids eating kale? The horrors! In a nation where approximately 42-46% of the population is considered obese.

Kale goes in the trash 95% of the time. Kids aren’t eating that. 

I remember the Project 2025 doomsdayers posting Trump wants to eliminate free lunches in schools as a talking point…. Well free lunches ended today at my kids school. I guess they know Trump is going to win and just started that part early. 🤷🏻‍♂️

95% of the time?  Did Alex Jones provide you that number?

njhaley1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I get the idea of shifting the cost of meals and books, etc., to the students. But the end result is that if the parents do not pay then the students are the ones who suffer.

If those costs were spread out amongst everyone (via real estate tax) it would be a minimal cost per property owner and solve a lot of problems.

I always thought it was a stupid idea to give students supply lists as well. How fucking stupid is it for a school corporation that can buy decent school supplies IN BULK at much lower cost then sending thousands of kids out to Target, WalMart, etc., with lists to buy shitty supplies? We always ended up buying the cheapest pencils, pens, folders, etc. 

Increase my real estate tax $10/year and take care of all that shit internally for fucks sake.

We have that here as well. The problem is that about half the area are retired, half of the rest are young and conservative. We couldn't even pass a bill to increase first responder pay, that's how dyed in the wool some people are.