Kamala Harris VEEP Pick

cblock4life

mace1229 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

why would the teacher buy that?

My brother is a teacher. He isn’t scrolling through amazon buying pens and rulers…

Because if I don't have Kleenex, where do you think all the snot and boogers go? Kids just don't not get runny noses if there's no Kleenex.
I also buy a box of golf pencils for about $8 and that lasts a year for kids who don't bring one. It's just easier to spend $8 than to deal with kids all year not working because they forgot a pencil. Because when they're not working, it's a headache for me. 
That and a bundle of Clorox wipes on rebate at Costco are about all I buy. If $10 on Clorox wipes keeps me from getting sick once or twice a year, it's money well spent for me. It's all about making my life easier. If it doesn't, I won't spend my money on it. 

I’ll say it again, the fact that you have to even think about purchasing these items is bs.  Teachers have to worry about too much as it is.  Screw those vouchers and charter schools.  If public Ed isn’t your choice then pay for it yourself and transport your kid yourself.  We had to transport kids all over the place, miles and miles away because a private school parent ran for the school board and won.  Politicians are ALWAYS out for themselves-blue or red.  

mace1229

curmudgeoness said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

teskeinc said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

could it be that we are spending more money on securing schools than actually educating the children? it is expensive to educate one child, as someone pointed out earlier, but security is not cheap. i would assume that is coming out of the school's money for actually educating the kids??

why would we not consider doing something about the guns? seems to be an easier option. keep the money in the classroom where it is supposed to be?

It’s your big government at work. If you give them more money they will find a way to waste it. I buy a $75 box every summer from a company that ships it to my kids class and is there at his desk on the first day. Occasionally a teacher will message that the class needs copy paper or something else. 

Schools get X amount of dollars per student. Last I read it was about $5000 per kid per school year.

Hmmmm, sure. When was that? 1972?

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2024/public-school-spending-per-pupil.html
https://educationdata.org/public-education-spending-statistics

Approximately twenty years ago, when I was trying to put my kids, including my special-needs child, in our local public school in California, the state was giving schools something like $7000 - $8000/ student. Since appropriate accommodations for one of my children would have cost up to $60,000/year, I was told to take both of my children, go home, and never darken the school's door again. Was this illegal? Oh, yes, absolutely. Was it a purely financial decision? Yep. Was it an isolated incident? Not really; I sat in meetings where school principals and superintendents boasted of how they had found "accommodations" for students with extra needs that saved thousands of dollars, pushed much of the burden back onto the parents, and did at best the bare minimum for the child. It was enraging.

They definitely should have handled it differently.
The problem is schools have so many requirements, but are not given the funding to provide them. I don't know about your particular case, but often time a school doesn't have the facilities and/or staff to meet the requirements and accommodations. And they will be held liable for not provided accommodations that the state says they have to, but at the same time are not given proper funding for. 
That's why it's always a joke when I hear people campaigning on making class sizes smaller or other similar school agendas. You can mandate anything you want, but unless you provide the funding for it, it's not going to happen. And then schools can be legally liable for not providing the requirements that they were never given the funding for. 
I see it every day. Students require a personal para to assist them throughout the day. How do you meet that when they get paid $18/hr, it's a tough job and no one applies for it? And there's not room in the budge too pay more. Or to offer ELL services for large language populations, but again, the a district just had to cut 5% of their staff for budget cuts, where are they going find an extra teacher to double up in a classroom when they just had to let 5 of them go? Its frustrating all the way around, and I can only imagine how infuriating it is for a parent as well.

cblock4life

mace1229 said:

curmudgeoness said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

teskeinc said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

could it be that we are spending more money on securing schools than actually educating the children? it is expensive to educate one child, as someone pointed out earlier, but security is not cheap. i would assume that is coming out of the school's money for actually educating the kids??

why would we not consider doing something about the guns? seems to be an easier option. keep the money in the classroom where it is supposed to be?

It’s your big government at work. If you give them more money they will find a way to waste it. I buy a $75 box every summer from a company that ships it to my kids class and is there at his desk on the first day. Occasionally a teacher will message that the class needs copy paper or something else. 

Schools get X amount of dollars per student. Last I read it was about $5000 per kid per school year.

Hmmmm, sure. When was that? 1972?

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2024/public-school-spending-per-pupil.html
https://educationdata.org/public-education-spending-statistics

Approximately twenty years ago, when I was trying to put my kids, including my special-needs child, in our local public school in California, the state was giving schools something like $7000 - $8000/ student. Since appropriate accommodations for one of my children would have cost up to $60,000/year, I was told to take both of my children, go home, and never darken the school's door again. Was this illegal? Oh, yes, absolutely. Was it a purely financial decision? Yep. Was it an isolated incident? Not really; I sat in meetings where school principals and superintendents boasted of how they had found "accommodations" for students with extra needs that saved thousands of dollars, pushed much of the burden back onto the parents, and did at best the bare minimum for the child. It was enraging.

They definitely should have handled it differently.
The problem is schools have so many requirements, but are not given the funding to provide them. I don't know about your particular case, but often time a school doesn't have the facilities and/or staff to meet the requirements and accommodations. And they will be held liable for not provided accommodations that the state says they have to, but at the same time are not given proper funding for. 
That's why it's always a joke when I hear people campaigning on making class sizes smaller or other similar school agendas. You can mandate anything you want, but unless you provide the funding for it, it's not going to happen. And then schools can be legally liable for not providing the requirements that they were never given the funding for. 
I see it every day. Students require a personal para to assist them throughout the day. How do you meet that when they get paid $18/hr, it's a tough job and no one applies for it? And there's not room in the budge too pay more. Or to offer ELL services for large language populations, but again, the a district just had to cut 5% of their staff for budget cuts, where are they going find an extra teacher to double up in a classroom when they just had to let 5 of them go? It’s frustrating all the way around, and I can only imagine how infuriating it is for a parent as well.

You’re absolutely correct…everything you’ve posted is exactly the crap that goes on. Thank you for what you do.  It’s extremely important.  

curmudgeoness

Josh Shapiro

mace1229 said:

curmudgeoness said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

teskeinc said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

could it be that we are spending more money on securing schools than actually educating the children? it is expensive to educate one child, as someone pointed out earlier, but security is not cheap. i would assume that is coming out of the school's money for actually educating the kids??

why would we not consider doing something about the guns? seems to be an easier option. keep the money in the classroom where it is supposed to be?

It’s your big government at work. If you give them more money they will find a way to waste it. I buy a $75 box every summer from a company that ships it to my kids class and is there at his desk on the first day. Occasionally a teacher will message that the class needs copy paper or something else. 

Schools get X amount of dollars per student. Last I read it was about $5000 per kid per school year.

Hmmmm, sure. When was that? 1972?

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2024/public-school-spending-per-pupil.html
https://educationdata.org/public-education-spending-statistics

Approximately twenty years ago, when I was trying to put my kids, including my special-needs child, in our local public school in California, the state was giving schools something like $7000 - $8000/ student. Since appropriate accommodations for one of my children would have cost up to $60,000/year, I was told to take both of my children, go home, and never darken the school's door again. Was this illegal? Oh, yes, absolutely. Was it a purely financial decision? Yep. Was it an isolated incident? Not really; I sat in meetings where school principals and superintendents boasted of how they had found "accommodations" for students with extra needs that saved thousands of dollars, pushed much of the burden back onto the parents, and did at best the bare minimum for the child. It was enraging.

They definitely should have handled it differently.
The problem is schools have so many requirements, but are not given the funding to provide them. I don't know about your particular case, but often time a school doesn't have the facilities and/or staff to meet the requirements and accommodations. And they will be held liable for not provided accommodations that the state says they have to, but at the same time are not given proper funding for. 
That's why it's always a joke when I hear people campaigning on making class sizes smaller or other similar school agendas. You can mandate anything you want, but unless you provide the funding for it, it's not going to happen. And then schools can be legally liable for not providing the requirements that they were never given the funding for. 
I see it every day. Students require a personal para to assist them throughout the day. How do you meet that when they get paid $18/hr, it's a tough job and no one applies for it? And there's not room in the budge too pay more. Or to offer ELL services for large language populations, but again, the a district just had to cut 5% of their staff for budget cuts, where are they going find an extra teacher to double up in a classroom when they just had to let 5 of them go? Its frustrating all the way around, and I can only imagine how infuriating it is for a parent as well.

So, to be fair, I don't think they were equipped to provide appropriate accommodations for my child; his case is particularly complex and challenging.

But they could have simply admitted that. Instead, they threatened me: If you try to enroll your child, we will put him in the "emotionally disturbed" classroom and leave him there.

Other cases I saw were less complicated, but the primary concern was the budget, not the child's needs.

And I'm sympathetic to the budget constraints; I'd say we experienced the direct effects of those budget constraints, in the form of thirteen years of lost income for me. In other words, there are broader consequences here that people don't consider when they gripe that they don't have kids in the schools, so why should they pay taxes? Our smaller household income meant we spent less in the community. My lack of work means that the community had one less person contributing to the economy.

Gern Blansten

Josh Shapiro

curmudgeoness said:

mace1229 said:

curmudgeoness said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

teskeinc said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

could it be that we are spending more money on securing schools than actually educating the children? it is expensive to educate one child, as someone pointed out earlier, but security is not cheap. i would assume that is coming out of the school's money for actually educating the kids??

why would we not consider doing something about the guns? seems to be an easier option. keep the money in the classroom where it is supposed to be?

It’s your big government at work. If you give them more money they will find a way to waste it. I buy a $75 box every summer from a company that ships it to my kids class and is there at his desk on the first day. Occasionally a teacher will message that the class needs copy paper or something else. 

Schools get X amount of dollars per student. Last I read it was about $5000 per kid per school year.

Hmmmm, sure. When was that? 1972?

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2024/public-school-spending-per-pupil.html
https://educationdata.org/public-education-spending-statistics

Approximately twenty years ago, when I was trying to put my kids, including my special-needs child, in our local public school in California, the state was giving schools something like $7000 - $8000/ student. Since appropriate accommodations for one of my children would have cost up to $60,000/year, I was told to take both of my children, go home, and never darken the school's door again. Was this illegal? Oh, yes, absolutely. Was it a purely financial decision? Yep. Was it an isolated incident? Not really; I sat in meetings where school principals and superintendents boasted of how they had found "accommodations" for students with extra needs that saved thousands of dollars, pushed much of the burden back onto the parents, and did at best the bare minimum for the child. It was enraging.

They definitely should have handled it differently.
The problem is schools have so many requirements, but are not given the funding to provide them. I don't know about your particular case, but often time a school doesn't have the facilities and/or staff to meet the requirements and accommodations. And they will be held liable for not provided accommodations that the state says they have to, but at the same time are not given proper funding for. 
That's why it's always a joke when I hear people campaigning on making class sizes smaller or other similar school agendas. You can mandate anything you want, but unless you provide the funding for it, it's not going to happen. And then schools can be legally liable for not providing the requirements that they were never given the funding for. 
I see it every day. Students require a personal para to assist them throughout the day. How do you meet that when they get paid $18/hr, it's a tough job and no one applies for it? And there's not room in the budge too pay more. Or to offer ELL services for large language populations, but again, the a district just had to cut 5% of their staff for budget cuts, where are they going find an extra teacher to double up in a classroom when they just had to let 5 of them go? Its frustrating all the way around, and I can only imagine how infuriating it is for a parent as well.

So, to be fair, I don't think they were equipped to provide appropriate accommodations for my child; his case is particularly complex and challenging.

But they could have simply admitted that. Instead, they threatened me: If you try to enroll your child, we will put him in the "emotionally disturbed" classroom and leave him there.

Other cases I saw were less complicated, but the primary concern was the budget, not the child's needs.

And I'm sympathetic to the budget constraints; I'd say we experienced the direct effects of those budget constraints, in the form of thirteen years of lost income for me. In other words, there are broader consequences here that people don't consider when they gripe that they don't have kids in the schools, so why should they pay taxes? Our smaller household income meant we spent less in the community. My lack of work means that the community had one less person contributing to the economy.

sorry you had to deal with that...that's awful

njhaley1

Inspired from an article my wife forwarded to me https://www.buzzfeed.com/morgansloss1/tim-walz-jd-vance-comparisons-reddit

Feel free to add more!

Gern Blansten

Josh Shapiro

lol...I grew up on Goofus and Gallant

Gern Blansten

Josh Shapiro

Weird!

mickeyrat

Gern Blansten said:

lol...I grew up on Goofus and Gallant

yup. my immediate connection to the above.

mickeyrat

US Democratic VP nominee Walz accepts CBS News' offer to debate Vance on Oct. 1 - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-democratic-vp-nominee-walz-accepts-cbs-news-offer-debate-vance-oct-1-2024-08-14/

Lerxst1992

curmudgeoness said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

teskeinc said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

could it be that we are spending more money on securing schools than actually educating the children? it is expensive to educate one child, as someone pointed out earlier, but security is not cheap. i would assume that is coming out of the school's money for actually educating the kids??

why would we not consider doing something about the guns? seems to be an easier option. keep the money in the classroom where it is supposed to be?

It’s your big government at work. If you give them more money they will find a way to waste it. I buy a $75 box every summer from a company that ships it to my kids class and is there at his desk on the first day. Occasionally a teacher will message that the class needs copy paper or something else. 

Schools get X amount of dollars per student. Last I read it was about $5000 per kid per school year.

Hmmmm, sure. When was that? 1972?

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2024/public-school-spending-per-pupil.html
https://educationdata.org/public-education-spending-statistics

Approximately twenty years ago, when I was trying to put my kids, including my special-needs child, in our local public school in California, the state was giving schools something like $7000 - $8000/ student. Since appropriate accommodations for one of my children would have cost up to $60,000/year, I was told to take both of my children, go home, and never darken the school's door again. Was this illegal? Oh, yes, absolutely. Was it a purely financial decision? Yep. Was it an isolated incident? Not really; I sat in meetings where school principals and superintendents boasted of how they had found "accommodations" for students with extra needs that saved thousands of dollars, pushed much of the burden back onto the parents, and did at best the bare minimum for the child. It was enraging.

This is stunning. Expecting this from Alabama,  not California. Personally I can't thank my school district and NYS enough for our experiences with special ed needs.

Given what a private education costs, I would have considered  suing the school district, the administration, the board and state for negligence and purposefully violating the law, for legal fees and damages. I know its David vs Goliath and dealing with lawyers, but they are bragging about violating the law in that example. 

curmudgeoness

Josh Shapiro

Gern Blansten said:

Weird!

Oh, he thinks he gets to decide what "the whole purpose of the postmenopausal female" is? Eff that guy.

Johnny Abruzzo

Mark Kelly

https://theonion.com/tim-walz-i-have-killed-and-i-will-kill-again/

Tim Simmons

Josh Shapiro

huh

Halifax2TheMax

Can anyone spot the tampon?

teskeinc

Halifax2TheMax said:

Can anyone spot the tampon?

Let’s get married in China, then go on our honeymoon to China! 30 trips to China… weird

Tim Simmons

Josh Shapiro

You know what? Go for it. Let’s see how it goes. 

gimmesometruth27

Halifax2TheMax said:

Can anyone spot the tampon?

it's on his right ear.

Gern Blansten

Josh Shapiro

teskeinc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Can anyone spot the tampon?

Let’s get married in China, then go on our honeymoon to China! 30 trips to China… weird

LOL now fox told you to attack the China visits and like a good lamb you do. Hilarious 

MayDay10

Josh Shapiro

First 30 days of VP.  Mandatory to have gender alteration surgeons in all public high school bathrooms.  Elementary school students are provided taxpayer-funded 5 year supply of narcan and participation trophies. The Pledge of Allegience is banned.  Each room that has the American flag is required to offer a trauma counselor and a have a Quran on-hand.