Spiritual_Chaos said:

I think Kamala destroying Trump in a debate is obv certain. That will be embarassing for Trump. 

But people saying Walz would ”destroy” Vance I think will be disapointed. It will be the usual bubble-bias after the debate by both sides and youtube commentators and news outlets cutting out short clips saying their guy ”destroyed” the other one. 

teskeinc said:

mickeyrat said:

teskeinc said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

R's can't have it both ways. She was once painted as a ruthless AG that just locked everyone up and threw away the key. Now she's a "far left". 

Also, the "anti-semitic part of the party" is laughable. 

Minnesota was never in jeopardy. 

Then Walz was probably the worst choice on the list for VP. 

suggest a listen to the first half of Tuesday's Bulwark podcast. I trust Steele's insight here....

Shapiro would have been a huge win for the Democrats. Everyone here knows it. Democrats fall in line and will support Walz fully, that’s what they do. This is every bit as bad of pick for the Democrats as Vance was for the Republicans, maybe worse. 

The Juggler said:

Vance might go down as the worst running mate choice in history (with apologies to Sarah Palin) and my man just said Walz might be worse?!

hahahahahaha

https://www.newsweek.com/jd-vance-least-liked-vp-nominee-decades-polls-1929470

https://www.businessinsider.com/jd-vance-lowest-vice-president-approval-rating-republican-convention-2024-7

https://www.businessinsider.com/jd-vance-lowest-vice-president-approval-rating-republican-convention-2024-7

JD Vance breaks polling records in the worst way

Alice Tecotzky and John L. Dorman 

Jul 24, 2024, 12:22 PM EDT

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Sen. JD Vance has long polled behind other Republicans. Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images

• JD Vance has a net-negative approval rating following the Republican National Convention, CNN found.
• Since 2000, VP nominees typically have had a net-positive rating of 19 points after a convention.
• Vance has long polled behind other Republicans, and some are questioning whether he was a wise pick.

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Vice-presidential nominees typically receive a ratings bump after their party's convention, but Sen. JD Vance is bucking the tradition.

On the heels of last week's Republican National Convention, the Ohio senator is the least-liked vice-presidential candidate since 1980, CNN found in a polling analysis. It noted the data applied to nonincumbents.

Since 2000, vice-presidential nominees typically have had a net-positive rating immediately following the convention, at plus 19 points. Vance, however, is polling at minus 6 points just one week after accepting the vice-presidential nomination and officially embarking on the campaign trail, the network found.

The freshman lawmaker's lower-than-normal approval ratings are not an anomaly, as Vance has long polled behind other Republicans.

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Vance heavily underperformed in his 2022 Ohio Senate race, at least compared with how other Republicans performed in the state that year. Vance defeated his opponent, then-Democratic Rep. Tim Ryan, by only 6 percentage points. In comparison, Republican Gov. Mike DeWine crushed his Democratic opponent, former Dayton Mayor Nan Whaley, by 25 percentage points in that same cycle.

"The JD Vance pick makes no sense from a statistical polling perspective," Harry Enten, a CNN political-data reporter, said.

Vice President Kamala Harris' team sent out a press release gloating about the numbers.

"We'd like to be the first to congratulate JD Vance on making history as the least popular VP pick, well…ever," it said.

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The press release went on to list some of Vance's policies, with the first one being his previous support for a nationwide abortion ban.

The Atlantic's Tim Alberta tweeted Monday that ever since President Joe Biden ended his reelection campaign and endorsed Harris to become the Democratic presidential nominee, some members of Trumpworld have questioned whether Vance remains a wise running mate. President Donald Trump faltered with suburban voters in 2020, and Vance's selection was widely seen as an appeal to base voters instead of one geared toward attracting more swing voters.

Trump's campaign spent months perfecting its attacks against Biden and has now had to shift its messaging, as Harris poses a different electoral threat from her predecessor. While Biden was struggling to rally young voters and minority voters around his reelection campaign, Harris is more popular with those groups and presents a major upside for Democrats, as they need a high Gen Z and millennial turnout to remain competitive in the key battleground states.

There's also evidence that Republicans will closely monitor polling over the next two weeks beyond Vance's low likability ratings, as a Trump pollster said Harris could get a numbers bump following her expected ascent to the top of the Democratic ticket.

njhaley1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

"guy's jewish, you aren't allowed to insult him any way, lest you be anti-semitic". why is every bad trait considered anti-semitic, by the way? legit question. it seems that every insult imaginable is a "trope"

The sneaky, disloyal, backstabbing jew is one of the oldest tropes out there. I'm an atheist and I know this. Study history, my friend. 

njhaley1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

njhaley1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

"guy's jewish, you aren't allowed to insult him any way, lest you be anti-semitic". why is every bad trait considered anti-semitic, by the way? legit question. it seems that every insult imaginable is a "trope"

The sneaky, disloyal, backstabbing jew is one of the oldest tropes out there. I'm an atheist and I know this. Study history, my friend. 

I know history, thanks. but just because the guy's jewish, doesn't make it automatically a jewish trope, my friend. 

Then just say ya don't think he was a good fit. It's a very specific criticism given its history and S_C might want to reflect on that. 

Zero need to be divisive. I understand it has little impact on either of you as non-Americans, but it's important for us.