"Dark Matter" and its tracks on the charts

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  • kramerica4
    kramerica4 Posts: 284
    edited May 2024
    Dark Matter (album)

    #2 /#23 in Australia
    #2 in Austria
    #2 / #9 in Germany
    #2 / #24 in Netherlands
    #2 / #49 in Ireland
    #2 in Portugal
    #2 in Scotland
    #2 in UK (9,835 sales)
    #2 in Swiss
    #2 in Belgium
    #3 in Spain
    #3 / #29 in Italy
    #3 / #18 in New Zealand
    #5 in US (59' sales)
    #13 in France
    #13 Finland
    #17 Denmark
    #21 Sweden

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  • JimFletcherPearlJam
    JimFletcherPearlJam Posts: 381
    BF25394:  I've had a couple conversations with Ten Club employees about orders that I placed in the past. Sometimes such conversations can branch out and people will mention things when a diplomatic approach is taken. Who knows what they might say? At least we know the band is profiting from every album sold -- even the ones that might go unaccounted for based on how they are or aren't scanned. Perhaps that's one way the RIAA sales totals are useful, because I believe those totals represent the number of albums shipped to merchants. Anyway, I'm proud to be a fan of this band! 🥑 
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    JimFletcherPearlJam said:
    BF25394:  I've had a couple conversations with Ten Club employees about orders that I placed in the past. Sometimes such conversations can branch out and people will mention things when a diplomatic approach is taken. Who knows what they might say? At least we know the band is profiting from every album sold -- even the ones that might go unaccounted for based on how they are or aren't scanned. Perhaps that's one way the RIAA sales totals are useful, because I believe those totals represent the number of albums shipped to merchants. Anyway, I'm proud to be a fan of this band! 🥑 
    There are at least two major problems with the RIAA totals. First, they don't tell us anything about how many copies were bought by consumers. If a distributor ships a million records to retailers and only 250,000 of them are bought by consumers, that record is eligible for platinum certification. It's very misleading. Second, certification costs money and has to be requested. Some record companies and artists are more invested in this than others. Also, at this point, now that they factor streaming into the RIAA certifications, they're almost completely useless because they're mixing apples with oranges.

    According to the RIAA, Eagles' Their Greatest Hits 1971-75 has outsold Thriller. I assure you that it has not.
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  • JimFletcherPearlJam
    JimFletcherPearlJam Posts: 381
    Yes, I understand what you're saying. I'm not looking to argue. I guess what I'm trying to say is each measurement provides a somewhat different angle/insight into what's happening. This topic seems really important to you. If I'm able to learn anything more about whether Ten Club sales count in the Luminate totals, I'll be sure to mention it. 
  • kramerica4
    kramerica4 Posts: 284
    2nd week in Germany: #9
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    kramerica4 said:
    2nd week in Germany: #9
    Number Nein!
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  • kramerica4
    kramerica4 Posts: 284
    Dark Matter (album)

    #2 /#23 in Australia
    #2 in Austria
    #2 / #9 in Swiss
    #2 / #9 in Germany
    #2 / #24 in Netherlands
    #2 / #49 in Ireland
    #2 in Portugal
    #2 in Scotland
    #2 in UK (9,835 sales)
    #2 in Swiss
    #2 in Belgium
    #3 in Spain
    #3 / #29 in Italy
    #3 / #18 in New Zealand
    #5 in US (59' sales)
    #13 in France
    #13 Finland
    #17 Denmark
    #21 Sweden
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    Original post updated for charts for week ending May 11, 2024. "Wreckage" makes nice gains at radio.
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,630
    A friend is in Australia and they said they heard Setting Sun on the radio
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  • mickcasey
    mickcasey Posts: 101
    Dark Matter dropped to 171 after 2 weeks on the charts.  I realize people stream and download music now but for Christ sake. I wish folks who are going to these shows would buy the album/cd.  The American tour is pretty much sold out.  Buy new albums by your fav artists.  This is why a lot of bands don't make new music.  
  • kramerica4
    kramerica4 Posts: 284
    mickcasey said:
    Dark Matter dropped to 171 after 2 weeks on the charts.  I realize people stream and download music now but for Christ sake. I wish folks who are going to these shows would buy the album/cd.  The American tour is pretty much sold out.  Buy new albums by your fav artists.  This is why a lot of bands don't make new music.  
    ^This!
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    mickcasey said:
    Dark Matter dropped to 171 after 2 weeks on the charts.  I realize people stream and download music now but for Christ sake. I wish folks who are going to these shows would buy the album/cd.  The American tour is pretty much sold out.  Buy new albums by your fav artists.  This is why a lot of bands don't make new music.  
    It actually dropped that far because people *don't* stream Pearl Jam all that much. (And downloads are actually minimal to the point where they have very little impact on the chart.) The issue is that the vast majority of people who want to buy the album either pre-ordered it or bought it in the first week of release. Since there are very few streams of new rock music generally, and Pearl Jam specifically, it doesn't get the chart boost they would provide. Meanwhile, they have no way of measuring th second-week consumption of physical albums bought in the first week. The chart formula is really problematic. You can't really put much stock in it.

    In terms of actual sales, the album only dropped from No. 2 to No. 19. 
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  • JimFletcherPearlJam
    JimFletcherPearlJam Posts: 381
    I'd like to set up my personal desktop computer so that it's constantly streaming PJ all day, every day if I'm not actively using it for something else. Perhaps a lot of people doing that would make a difference. 
  • JimFletcherPearlJam
    JimFletcherPearlJam Posts: 381
    I know Present Tense being used as the main/closing song on the Chicago Bulls' documentary provided a massive increase in streams pertaining to No Code. However, I don't know how many album sales resulted from all those streams -- it had to be a ton. 
  • JimFletcherPearlJam
    JimFletcherPearlJam Posts: 381
    By the way, there's a really cool-looking vinyl version of the Dark Matter album (record store day exclusive?) available through the Walmart web site. It isn't cheap, but it looks really badass! 🥑
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,630
    JimFletcherPearlJam said:
    I'd like to set up my personal desktop computer so that it's constantly streaming PJ all day, every day if I'm not actively using it for something else. Perhaps a lot of people doing that would make a difference. 
    That what I do. I've been trying to get the 100k plus members on the fb groups to do the same. But to no avail 
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,630
    JimFletcherPearlJam said:
    I know Present Tense being used as the main/closing song on the Chicago Bulls' documentary provided a massive increase in streams pertaining to No Code. However, I don't know how many album sales resulted from all those streams -- it had to be a ton. 
    All or None did well after The Last of Us. It probably would have done even better if people knew the song or if they played more of it.
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    JimFletcherPearlJam said:
    I'd like to set up my personal desktop computer so that it's constantly streaming PJ all day, every day if I'm not actively using it for something else. Perhaps a lot of people doing that would make a difference. 
    One person streaming one four-minute song around the clock for a week would not even translate to one streaming-equivalent album. If you streamed "Running" non-stop around the clock for a week, you would generate about one unit.
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  • igotid88
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  • JimFletcherPearlJam
    JimFletcherPearlJam Posts: 381
    BF25394:  Well, it would be cheaper for me to provide one "sale" in that manner (constant streaming) rather than purchasing a new physical album each week. Igotid88 is correct -- if tens of thousands of fan club members did that for a while, then it'd make a really big difference. 

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