European Tour Sales = Desaster

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  • kilteragh
    kilteragh Ireland Posts: 15
    GlowGirl said:
    kilteragh said:
    Tom G said:
    If sales have been poor then dynamic pricing should adjust accordingly?

    Well that's what it's supposed to mean. The "market price" is supposedly based on demand (not really - it's just price gouging) so by rights if nobody is buying then the price should plummet.
    They likely will at some point.

    Hopefully
  • Soybeans
    Soybeans Posts: 258
    tino_11 said:
    ilockyer said:
    SHZA said:
    tino_11 said:
    ilockyer said:
    JPPJ84 said:
    SHZA said:
    An instant sell out is an indicator that prices were way too low 
    Weird thinking. I‘d say it’s an indicator of fair prices 
    Our ticket markets in Europe work very differently to North America. Let's hope they don't go the same way. 
    Generalising, I think people in the US are more comfortable with a pure capitalist model of to maximising commercial returns at every opportunity. In Europe, I think there’s more emphasis on a ‘win-win’ model, where in this instance the band can earn what it needs to whilst not taking every dollar possible out of the fans pockets. We see this  in football for example, where most clubs try to balance sporting success and finance, whilst maintaining access for their communities and fan bases (some do this better than others).

    I know we don’t know the true cost of touring, but the fact that similar acts such as Green Day and Foos are charging way below PJ indicates that PJ are trying to get as much back from these shows as possible. It just goes against the principles and behaviour of the band up to this point, I always felt they looked after us well. 
    The fact that they misjudged the market this badly is a real head scratcher. Presumably they didn't come up with these prices out of thin air. I would think pricing is set in consultation with experts in the ticketing markets in these areas. Hard to understand why they would be so out of line with Foos, Green Day et al. 
    The last tour was largely organised by Kelly Curtis before he retired, maybe his replacement hasn't had any experience dealing with the booking side of things with promoters for a European tour? Mark Smith was the bands tour manager before, according to the articles around the time Kelly Curtis retired, so would've just been concerned with herding cats and making sure they all ended up where they were meant to be, along with all the day to day stuff. Is it possible they just went with "it's what we're doing in the US"?

     time.  
    For all the arguments of right and wrong, the only thing clear is that PJ don’t need to maximise prices, it’s a choice they’ve made with their promoters.
    Spot on with calling out the timing of this. I have faith that the not-so-new, new manager, Mark "Smitty" Smith has our best interest in mind. I mean,  the guy has been with the band for years. He is practically part of this community. We've certainly been good consumers and spiritual brethren all the while he's been under the employ of PJ Corp (that's a "Boss Baby" reference. Sorry,  I have kids)..! Anyway,  I'm sure he is keeping the Faithful in mind when managing the tour, pricing,  venues etc.  Any good business person knows that sustainability is as important as year over year ( or tour over tour) growth. 
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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,214
    I believe these shows will eventually sell out - or very close to. 

    I sincerely hope so, otherwise where would be the appeal for Pj to return to these shores again and do another tour? 

    I look forward to this band touring - the interest in the tour rumours on this site pretty much showed I am not the only one with it garnering over 1,000,000 views. Its always a highlight of the year so I really hope the band get the audiences they expect regardless of the pricing levels. 

    I think the timing of the tour announcement was an issue (particularly with so many artists touring this summer), and the £ to $ rate certainly hurts things on the pricing side for the Uk generally (although that hasn't been too strong at all since the Brexit vote). But then if they announced sales just before Xmas there would likely have been a backlash there too. Its often a case of damned if you do damned if you don't. 


  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,481
    lastexitlondon said:
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,481
    edited February 2024
    kaw753 said:
    jimjam1982 said:
    Soybeans said:
    willwall said:
    I’m so happy that this has backfired on them. 

    Things that are ok in the US, doesn’t mean it’s ok to do here. 

    Manchester is 50% sold. London is easily less than 50% sold. You reap what you sow at the end of the day.

    Those saying it’s not the band and that they are entirely blameless are wrong. They’ll know what’s going on. At least Springsteen had the bottle to come out and own up to the Dynamic pricing and what he was doing. 

    Can see a lot of these shows being reduced or even on offer in a few weeks time.
    Is already happening. The prices for Barcelona are coming down. Barcelona uppers down $30, lowers have come down by $50.

    But it's too late for many. Scanning the sad comments on the socials, it's clear that our proud Spanish PJ brothers and sisters are done. Sadly,  I have to hope these arenas remain half empty at show time. 
    If its half empty the show gets cancelled. Be careful what you wish for if you have tix
    If they cancel a show due to poor ticket sales because the prices are too high, you don't think the fans who have booked travel and vacation time from work might be just a bit upset? 
    Pearl Jam have always survived upset fans. They know what the power balance is.
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 492
    pdalowsky said:

    I sincerely hope so, otherwise where would be the appeal for Pj to return to these shores again and do another tour? 
    I have the feeling that we'll have to wait a lot longer for another European tour after all this action than before.
  • STATEOFLOVE59
    STATEOFLOVE59 Posts: 20
    Gregeje76 said:
    now 1st significant price drop for Berlin at Eventim. Upper section outer right and left for 127€ instead 175€ before……
    Put PJ does not communicate ont Eventim sales. Only Ticketmastin on their tour section. Cannot understand that
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,481
    If they WANT TO play in Europe, I doubt they are unable to. And make a profit. Without sucking fans dry,.

    If the sole purpose is to take concert goers for all that they are worth, then sure - maybe there is no reason. And then I would be fine with them not selling out.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • STATEOFLOVE59
    STATEOFLOVE59 Posts: 20
    Eraserhead said:
    willwall said:
    I’m so happy that this has backfired on them. 

    Things that are ok in the US, doesn’t mean it’s ok to do here. 

    Manchester is 50% sold. London is easily less than 50% sold. You reap what you sow at the end of the day.

    Those saying it’s not the band and that they are entirely blameless are wrong. They’ll know what’s going on. At least Springsteen had the bottle to come out and own up to the Dynamic pricing and what he was doing. 

    Can see a lot of these shows being reduced or even on offer in a few weeks time.

    Where have you seen that the Manchester show is only 50% sold?
    Total Bullshit
    Seat tickets are more than 75% solde
    Standing sales should be good, while pricing is more 200€ now.

    Different in London. Many seats still available
  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,214
    On checking London has sold pretty strongly so far. Yes the upper tier across from the stage isnt great but almost all lower level is gone, and the sides are heavily taken on tier 2. Id say thats pretty solid for a stadium show, at the prices in question and with Green day already sold out at Wembley. 
  • prl
    prl Posts: 132
    Well done my fellow european fans! It was really hard, but I decided to sit this one out. I love travelling to see them but I can't justify paying absurdly high prices to see them in places I've been several times now. Travelling to new places and combining that with music that I love was an amazing reason to go see PJ, but that's over I guess. 

    I'll admit I'm shocked to see basically everyshow not only still on sale, but very far from selling out. Hopefully the message will get up there loud and clear. Just to see how things were I went to check the tickets available. How is it possible that section 106 in Manchester in considered Premium and is going for £192.30?!


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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,692
    pdalowsky said:
    On checking London has sold pretty strongly so far. Yes the upper tier across from the stage isnt great but almost all lower level is gone, and the sides are heavily taken on tier 2. Id say thats pretty solid for a stadium show, at the prices in question and with Green day already sold out at Wembley. 

    I would say that was quite the mistake to book on the same night at Green Day. There's a pretty big crossover of fans there I think, and I bet that is the main impact on the London sales, not the prices.
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  • drfox
    drfox Posts: 1,482
    edited February 2024
    I really think the key issue for the U.K. dates is the timing and the London venue. Manchester is basically sold out apart from the nosebleeds at the back.

    Tottenham is a terrible venue to get to. If they had done two shows at the O2 or Wembley arena these would have sold out. However the main issue by a mile is the Green Day concert and Glastonbury on the same day, which were both announced months before PJ. People aren’t going to give up their tickets. My plan was always to do the Dublin as well but it’s the same night as Foo Fighters London which I already had tickets for. This is the issue when you announce a tour in the very busy June / early July period and you announce last…. Every big band touring U.K. and Europe (Foos, Green Day, Killers, AC/DC, Killers, Liam Gallagher etc) announced before PJ (with the exception of Kings of Leon)

    The prices have a bit of an impact but I think everything would have quickly sold if it wasn’t for the above. 
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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,214
    prl said:
    Well done my fellow european fans! It was really hard, but I decided to sit this one out. I love travelling to see them but I can't justify paying absurdly high prices to see them in places I've been several times now. Travelling to new places and combining that with music that I love was an amazing reason to go see PJ, but that's over I guess. 

    I'll admit I'm shocked to see basically everyshow not only still on sale, but very far from selling out. Hopefully the message will get up there loud and clear. Just to see how things were I went to check the tickets available. How is it possible that section 106 in Manchester in considered Premium and is going for £192.30?!


    If you zoom in on those blue areas this image is fairly misleading. In some of those sections there are 2 seats left. Yes there are some rows right at the very back availalable in 309-312 but on the whole the arena is pretty close to a sell out
  • STATEOFLOVE59
    STATEOFLOVE59 Posts: 20
    drfox said:
    I still can’t understand why they think they will sell out these venues at £160 when Foo Fighters, Green Day, AC/DC and the Killers are all charging around £80-95 a ticket at exactly the same time…. Green Day is playing at Wembley the same night as PJ at Spurs for half the price. Why do they need to charge this amount when others don’t. Makes absolute no sense and the lack of sales at London, Berlin and Barcelona is to be expected. I’m going to 4 shows but I can see why lots of fans are boycotting it. 
    Do you really compare GreenDay to PJ?
  • STATEOFLOVE59
    STATEOFLOVE59 Posts: 20
    prl said:
    Well done my fellow european fans! It was really hard, but I decided to sit this one out. I love travelling to see them but I can't justify paying absurdly high prices to see them in places I've been several times now. Travelling to new places and combining that with music that I love was an amazing reason to go see PJ, but that's over I guess. 

    I'll admit I'm shocked to see basically everyshow not only still on sale, but very far from selling out. Hopefully the message will get up there loud and clear. Just to see how things were I went to check the tickets available. How is it possible that section 106 in Manchester in considered Premium and is going for £192.30?!


    Because it is the last seat in a 100 section.
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    STATEOFLOVE59 said:
    drfox said:
    I still can’t understand why they think they will sell out these venues at £160 when Foo Fighters, Green Day, AC/DC and the Killers are all charging around £80-95 a ticket at exactly the same time…. Green Day is playing at Wembley the same night as PJ at Spurs for half the price. Why do they need to charge this amount when others don’t. Makes absolute no sense and the lack of sales at London, Berlin and Barcelona is to be expected. I’m going to 4 shows but I can see why lots of fans are boycotting it. 
    Do you really compare GreenDay to PJ?
    Like them or not they have fans they love both bands and need to make a choice for the same night
  • drfox
    drfox Posts: 1,482
    STATEOFLOVE59 said:
    drfox said:
    I still can’t understand why they think they will sell out these venues at £160 when Foo Fighters, Green Day, AC/DC and the Killers are all charging around £80-95 a ticket at exactly the same time…. Green Day is playing at Wembley the same night as PJ at Spurs for half the price. Why do they need to charge this amount when others don’t. Makes absolute no sense and the lack of sales at London, Berlin and Barcelona is to be expected. I’m going to 4 shows but I can see why lots of fans are boycotting it. 
    Do you really compare GreenDay to PJ?
    Personally no, PJ are in a different league. However recently Green Day is a bigger band than PJ in Europe (probably driven by them touring more and delivering more records) and there is certainly an overlap in fans. I would 100% have bought a ticket to see them and only didn’t because of the tour rumour page in this forum 
  • nautical_disaster
    nautical_disaster Posts: 348
    I mean..Dookie has been certified diamond for 10 million + units sold, same as Ten. 

    As for ticket sales this tour - am I wrong to think that Europe is the only leg that's not selling great? It seems like most shows in the US and Australia / NZ have sold out. So are the tickets prices higher in Europe than the other legs?

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  • LiveAtLeeds
    LiveAtLeeds Posts: 156
    pdalowsky said:
    On checking London has sold pretty strongly so far. Yes the upper tier across from the stage isnt great but almost all lower level is gone, and the sides are heavily taken on tier 2. Id say thats pretty solid for a stadium show, at the prices in question and with Green day already sold out at Wembley. Whole chunks of the lower level have never gone on sale. Think it's Tm holding them back. 

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