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Just spent $2500 on 4 tickets in Philly. #### YOU Eddie
One pair 40% more than the other for similar location? Scalpers pricing is more ethical.
Who do you guys think you're ####### kidding? Don't #### a ####### man. There's not much more disrepectful...Post edited by joswald21 on0 -
chrisdrake88 said:
I love this reply. This is exactly the point that I was trying to make.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eddie in SPIN Magazine, January 1995....chrisdrake88 said:I've been a 10C member off and on for ten years now (I am aware that this is not the longest membership, but this isn't a measuring contest) and I am absolutely appalled by the prices of tickets for this tour. The one thing that always stood PJ apart from all other bands was its connection to the fans, the determination to make it as great an experience as could be and the refusal to let its fans be ripped off and exploited in the name of capitalism (See PJ vs Ticketmaster).
The best example of this has always been the Ten Club, where we get rewarded for our loyalty by being allowed to buy tickets at a reasonable price, right down the front where the proper fans are, without needing to pay an absolute fortune for the privilege. These tickets for the Dark Matters tour UK dates are £160. ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY POUNDS. The cheapest tickets in the house are £120.
Pearl Jam, you have completely lost your way. You are not the band of the people that you once were, you will have lost the respect of thousands of fans with this blatant profiteering and the fact that you are doing this alongside Ticketmaster, of all companies, is frankly insulting.
I for one, will not be renewing my membership next time around and will be interested to see how many others will also leave.
I'm just disappointed.
If you have a $55 Rolling Stones ticket and there’s a $3 to $6 service charge, okay. But ours was an $18.50 ticket, and now all of a sudden it’s a $24.00 ticket. That’s not right. I just want people to be able to see our shows. It’s extremely important that it’s available to everyone, that if they’d like to attend they’re able to. Also, when you start having $50 tickets, all of a sudden you’re changing your audience. And that’s a frightening thought, playing only to people that can afford a $50 ticket.
With inflation, a $50 ticket in 1995 is now $102 in 2024. Tickets to this tour are double that. Not such a "freighting thought" anymore.
The most common answers that I'm getting from people who disagree with me are "Don't buy a ticket then" or "Go watch another band". But that's not the point really, is it? The point is that this is Pearl Jam and Pearl Jam have changed.
Pearl Jam changed in 1998, more than 25 years ago. Since then they have changed/evolved as the music and concert business has undergone an evolution with the introduction of digital music, streaming, the emergence of technology/internet resellers, and the Live Nation Ticketmaster merger. Don't hate the players, hate the game.0 -
Okay I figured that may be the case. Well that's was reasonable then.SHZA said:
That was for a pair. Last year lawn for Indy were $80 apieceLedbetterman10 said:
I'm trying to remember what PJ lawn tickets to Camden in 2022 cost. My email says I paid $157. But I can't remember if that was just for me or if I got the tickets for both me and my friend.mookieblalock said:
Lawn can always be had significantly cheaper than a seat from my experience. Apples to oranges.Ledbetterman10 said:
Depends on the band. I got a lawn ticket to Queens of the Stone Age last year for $50 including fees.mookieblalock said:
Yes. Yes it is.LiveAtLeeds said:
$200 is normal for a US show? Wow.jimjam1982 said:I'm going to guess Europeans just mostly make far less money then USA?
If you stop looking at the premium pricing - I feel this tour was really fair for modern day standards and incomes here in the USA.
Noblesville is that way because it was a postponed show and has very limited seating left to start with. Most of the venue was already sold in 2023 and held on to.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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The best regulator will be empty seats and there will be more this time around. They won't win through that either and hopefully come back with a bigger world tour in 2025.------------------------------
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2006 - Verona, Torino, Pistoia
2007 - Munich
2013 - Calgary
2014 - Vienna
2016 - Quebec, Ottawa, Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Pemberton
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If the band used this pricing model there would be instant sellouts but tens of thousands of people who want to go would be shut out. Many of those people would be willing to offer 2x-3x, maybe 5x face value to get tickets. Many ticketholders would then decide that they'd rather take the cash than go to the concert. In that situation, the ticket resellers and resale platforms are capturing the majority of the profits even though they are contributing nothing of value to the performance. TM and the artists see that and decide to capture that revenue for themselves, which can only be done by raising priceschrisdrake88 said:
I love this reply. This is exactly the point that I was trying to make.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eddie in SPIN Magazine, January 1995....chrisdrake88 said:I've been a 10C member off and on for ten years now (I am aware that this is not the longest membership, but this isn't a measuring contest) and I am absolutely appalled by the prices of tickets for this tour. The one thing that always stood PJ apart from all other bands was its connection to the fans, the determination to make it as great an experience as could be and the refusal to let its fans be ripped off and exploited in the name of capitalism (See PJ vs Ticketmaster).
The best example of this has always been the Ten Club, where we get rewarded for our loyalty by being allowed to buy tickets at a reasonable price, right down the front where the proper fans are, without needing to pay an absolute fortune for the privilege. These tickets for the Dark Matters tour UK dates are £160. ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY POUNDS. The cheapest tickets in the house are £120.
Pearl Jam, you have completely lost your way. You are not the band of the people that you once were, you will have lost the respect of thousands of fans with this blatant profiteering and the fact that you are doing this alongside Ticketmaster, of all companies, is frankly insulting.
I for one, will not be renewing my membership next time around and will be interested to see how many others will also leave.
I'm just disappointed.
If you have a $55 Rolling Stones ticket and there’s a $3 to $6 service charge, okay. But ours was an $18.50 ticket, and now all of a sudden it’s a $24.00 ticket. That’s not right. I just want people to be able to see our shows. It’s extremely important that it’s available to everyone, that if they’d like to attend they’re able to. Also, when you start having $50 tickets, all of a sudden you’re changing your audience. And that’s a frightening thought, playing only to people that can afford a $50 ticket.
With inflation, a $50 ticket in 1995 is now $102 in 2024. Tickets to this tour are double that. Not such a "freighting thought" anymore.
The most common answers that I'm getting from people who disagree with me are "Don't buy a ticket then" or "Go watch another band". But that's not the point really, is it? The point is that this is Pearl Jam and Pearl Jam have changed.Post edited by SHZA on0 -
Fair enough. But ‘95 was a long time ago and the whole world has changed. I hope nobody tries to hold me to every word I said 30 years ago.chrisdrake88 said:
I love this reply. This is exactly the point that I was trying to make.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eddie in SPIN Magazine, January 1995....chrisdrake88 said:I've been a 10C member off and on for ten years now (I am aware that this is not the longest membership, but this isn't a measuring contest) and I am absolutely appalled by the prices of tickets for this tour. The one thing that always stood PJ apart from all other bands was its connection to the fans, the determination to make it as great an experience as could be and the refusal to let its fans be ripped off and exploited in the name of capitalism (See PJ vs Ticketmaster).
The best example of this has always been the Ten Club, where we get rewarded for our loyalty by being allowed to buy tickets at a reasonable price, right down the front where the proper fans are, without needing to pay an absolute fortune for the privilege. These tickets for the Dark Matters tour UK dates are £160. ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY POUNDS. The cheapest tickets in the house are £120.
Pearl Jam, you have completely lost your way. You are not the band of the people that you once were, you will have lost the respect of thousands of fans with this blatant profiteering and the fact that you are doing this alongside Ticketmaster, of all companies, is frankly insulting.
I for one, will not be renewing my membership next time around and will be interested to see how many others will also leave.
I'm just disappointed.
If you have a $55 Rolling Stones ticket and there’s a $3 to $6 service charge, okay. But ours was an $18.50 ticket, and now all of a sudden it’s a $24.00 ticket. That’s not right. I just want people to be able to see our shows. It’s extremely important that it’s available to everyone, that if they’d like to attend they’re able to. Also, when you start having $50 tickets, all of a sudden you’re changing your audience. And that’s a frightening thought, playing only to people that can afford a $50 ticket.
With inflation, a $50 ticket in 1995 is now $102 in 2024. Tickets to this tour are double that. Not such a "freighting thought" anymore.
The most common answers that I'm getting from people who disagree with me are "Don't buy a ticket then" or "Go watch another band". But that's not the point really, is it? The point is that this is Pearl Jam and Pearl Jam have changed.
important to remember that Stone in the clips from Congress explicitly mentions that they have mostly teenage fans who they were looking out for. Not really the case anymore.
people also seem to forget they lost that TM fight in ‘95. Pretty resoundingly. They’ve been TM again since ‘98. But a lot of fans would prefer they continue that losing fight forever. TM sucks, totally agreed. But if PJ couldn’t stop ‘em in ‘95, and the Swifties couldn’t in 2022, then they aren’t getting stopped. Life’s like that sometimes and you have to choose your priorities.0 -
SHZA said:
If the band used this pricing model there would be instant sellouts but tens of thousands of people who want to go would be shut out. Many of those people would be willing to offer 2x-3x, maybe 5x face value to get tickets. Many ticketholders would then decide that they'd rather take the cash than go to the concert. In that situation, the ticket resellers and resale platforms are capturing the majority of the profits even though they are contributing nothing of value to the performance. TM and the artists see that and decide to capture that revenue for the themselves, which can only be done by raising priceschrisdrake88 said:
I love this reply. This is exactly the point that I was trying to make.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eddie in SPIN Magazine, January 1995....chrisdrake88 said:I've been a 10C member off and on for ten years now (I am aware that this is not the longest membership, but this isn't a measuring contest) and I am absolutely appalled by the prices of tickets for this tour. The one thing that always stood PJ apart from all other bands was its connection to the fans, the determination to make it as great an experience as could be and the refusal to let its fans be ripped off and exploited in the name of capitalism (See PJ vs Ticketmaster).
The best example of this has always been the Ten Club, where we get rewarded for our loyalty by being allowed to buy tickets at a reasonable price, right down the front where the proper fans are, without needing to pay an absolute fortune for the privilege. These tickets for the Dark Matters tour UK dates are £160. ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY POUNDS. The cheapest tickets in the house are £120.
Pearl Jam, you have completely lost your way. You are not the band of the people that you once were, you will have lost the respect of thousands of fans with this blatant profiteering and the fact that you are doing this alongside Ticketmaster, of all companies, is frankly insulting.
I for one, will not be renewing my membership next time around and will be interested to see how many others will also leave.
I'm just disappointed.
If you have a $55 Rolling Stones ticket and there’s a $3 to $6 service charge, okay. But ours was an $18.50 ticket, and now all of a sudden it’s a $24.00 ticket. That’s not right. I just want people to be able to see our shows. It’s extremely important that it’s available to everyone, that if they’d like to attend they’re able to. Also, when you start having $50 tickets, all of a sudden you’re changing your audience. And that’s a frightening thought, playing only to people that can afford a $50 ticket.
With inflation, a $50 ticket in 1995 is now $102 in 2024. Tickets to this tour are double that. Not such a "freighting thought" anymore.
The most common answers that I'm getting from people who disagree with me are "Don't buy a ticket then" or "Go watch another band". But that's not the point really, is it? The point is that this is Pearl Jam and Pearl Jam have changed.
What a concept.
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I am beyond upset at the prices of the tickets I just bought. I was in DC years ago when you were fighting for the fans and the ridiculous prices that Ticketmaster was charging. I just bought tickets for CFG and it was $2000 for 4 tickets in nosebleed seats. I had an opportunity to buy closer, but they were over 800 a piece before the jacked-up fees. I hope you have the fight left in you to do something similar as Robert Smith when the Cure recently toured and refunded us to bring the price down. Friends were able to get Ten Club presale and paid less than half of what we did (which is till too much), and they are on the floor - just not right! Thanks for hearing me out
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finally some common sensecharlesyoung39 said:I really wish people would stop blaming the band for the cost of goods and services in 2024. I’d be willing to bet that they are not making much more profit per show than what they were 10 or more years ago. It takes significant infrastructure to put on a tour that travels the world, and these prices actually compares favorably to many other concert experiences.0 -
Complicity and conspiracy is unethical, period, despite the number of ways they can be rationalized. The truth is, scalper pricing is arguably, and almost obviously, more ethical from the buyer POV. The band and Ticketmaster's "we want the fans to be treated fairly prize-wise." is complete ##### ########, period.Pearl Jam changed in 1998, more than 25 years ago. Since then they have changed/evolved as the music and concert business has undergone an evolution with the introduction of digital music, streaming, the emergence of technology/internet resellers, and the Live Nation Ticketmaster merger. Don't hate the players, hate the game.0 -
The best way to protest outrageous prices is not to buy them rather than posting on a board that no one will read. I know it's easy to get caught up in moment and let fear of missing out take over, but TM's business model depends on desperation. They create an artificial sense of scarcity and jack the prices as high as possible when tickets go on sale months before the show because some will take the bait. If people don't bite and the show approaches, the unsold floor tickets that were initially $800 apiece will come down to $200.Hickeyiii said:I am beyond upset at the prices of the tickets I just bought. I was in DC years ago when you were fighting for the fans and the ridiculous prices that Ticketmaster was charging. I just bought tickets for CFG and it was $2000 for 4 tickets in nosebleed seats. I had an opportunity to buy closer, but they were over 800 a piece before the jacked-up fees. I hope you have the fight left in you to do something similar as Robert Smith when the Cure recently toured and refunded us to bring the price down. Friends were able to get Ten Club presale and paid less than half of what we did (which is till too much), and they are on the floor - just not right! Thanks for hearing me outPost edited by SHZA on0 -
I think that reply is insanity and shows there is not a clear understanding of how inflation works. Everything is up by that much, cost of equipment, travel costs, crew costs, insurance costs, ticketmaster costs.chrisdrake88 said:
I love this reply. This is exactly the point that I was trying to make.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eddie in SPIN Magazine, January 1995....chrisdrake88 said:I've been a 10C member off and on for ten years now (I am aware that this is not the longest membership, but this isn't a measuring contest) and I am absolutely appalled by the prices of tickets for this tour. The one thing that always stood PJ apart from all other bands was its connection to the fans, the determination to make it as great an experience as could be and the refusal to let its fans be ripped off and exploited in the name of capitalism (See PJ vs Ticketmaster).
The best example of this has always been the Ten Club, where we get rewarded for our loyalty by being allowed to buy tickets at a reasonable price, right down the front where the proper fans are, without needing to pay an absolute fortune for the privilege. These tickets for the Dark Matters tour UK dates are £160. ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY POUNDS. The cheapest tickets in the house are £120.
Pearl Jam, you have completely lost your way. You are not the band of the people that you once were, you will have lost the respect of thousands of fans with this blatant profiteering and the fact that you are doing this alongside Ticketmaster, of all companies, is frankly insulting.
I for one, will not be renewing my membership next time around and will be interested to see how many others will also leave.
I'm just disappointed.
If you have a $55 Rolling Stones ticket and there’s a $3 to $6 service charge, okay. But ours was an $18.50 ticket, and now all of a sudden it’s a $24.00 ticket. That’s not right. I just want people to be able to see our shows. It’s extremely important that it’s available to everyone, that if they’d like to attend they’re able to. Also, when you start having $50 tickets, all of a sudden you’re changing your audience. And that’s a frightening thought, playing only to people that can afford a $50 ticket.
With inflation, a $50 ticket in 1995 is now $102 in 2024. Tickets to this tour are double that. Not such a "freighting thought" anymore.
The most common answers that I'm getting from people who disagree with me are "Don't buy a ticket then" or "Go watch another band". But that's not the point really, is it? The point is that this is Pearl Jam and Pearl Jam have changed.
1995 pearl jam fans were poor early job stages or teens: minimum wage $4.25 an hour for comparison....
2024 pearl jam fans are in the the peak earning stages of your career between 38 and 55 for the majority of the demographic.
I think the band does their best to control pricing - Fees are like $30 this tour...so ticket price is actually like $145 or $155...then fees, then tax..
You can vote for less taxation and you can vote to control inflation. So you can be disappointed in the band or you can do something about it.
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joswald21 said:
Complicity and conspiracy is unethical, period, despite the number of ways they can be rationalized. The truth is, scalper pricing is arguably, and almost obviously, more ethical from the buyer POV. The band and Ticketmaster's "we want the fans to be treated fairly prize-wise." is complete ##### ########, period.Pearl Jam changed in 1998, more than 25 years ago. Since then they have changed/evolved as the music and concert business has undergone an evolution with the introduction of digital music, streaming, the emergence of technology/internet resellers, and the Live Nation Ticketmaster merger. Don't hate the players, hate the game.
They have not said that for many years.0 -
I've never been one to complain about 10C, Pearl Jam, etc - I've seen it on here a lot in recent years - moaning about the length of shows shortening, lack of touring, etc. But I think I've reached a point now when I do have to moan. I am very disappointed most of all with the ticket prices. £160 for front standing in London - I am almost ok with, and being able to get these without any hassle through 10C. But £160 for rear standing too, £160 for GA in Manchester?! And dynamic pricing driving up these prices even further! I paid £90 in total for 2 days at Hyde Park just 2 years ago! I'm disappointed they elected to play in a stadium, I'm disappointed in the dwindling 10C member benefits (after the Christmas single disappearing, then the magazine and now having to pay for the 10C T-shirt!!).
An accumulation of all this has finally worn me down. I don't know who to blame, but what I do know is that this band 30 years ago took Ticketmaster to court for charging extra fees on top of ticket prices, and these tickets have a £25 fee per ticket. I will be going to London and Manchester (sacrificing a Foos show in the process) because I love the band so much. But it leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth and I have never felt this way about Pearl Jam before.Cardiff 06/06/2000
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It's low tbh. At my local venues, Creed is charging $300 for the pit. RHCP, Green Day, Blink 182 are all charging around $500-600. And that's in a market much smaller than NYC, LA, Chicago, etc.LiveAtLeeds said:
$200 is normal for a US show? Wow.jimjam1982 said:I'm going to guess Europeans just mostly make far less money then USA?
If you stop looking at the premium pricing - I feel this tour was really fair for modern day standards and incomes here in the USA.
Noblesville is that way because it was a postponed show and has very limited seating left to start with. Most of the venue was already sold in 2023 and held on to.0 -
I just want to know when concerts became such a rich man's game. Pearl Jam fans always show up but it ruins the entire ####ing vibe at so many shows I've been to lately. People in the lower bowl seated for the whole show. Young adults on IG the entire time taking pictures in front of your line of view. And so on. It just sucks.0
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That's insane.SHZA said:
It's low tbh. At my local venues, Creed is charging $300 for the pit. RHCP, Green Day, Blink 182 are all charging around $500-600. And that's in a market much smaller than NYC, LA, Chicago, etc.LiveAtLeeds said:
$200 is normal for a US show? Wow.jimjam1982 said:I'm going to guess Europeans just mostly make far less money then USA?
If you stop looking at the premium pricing - I feel this tour was really fair for modern day standards and incomes here in the USA.
Noblesville is that way because it was a postponed show and has very limited seating left to start with. Most of the venue was already sold in 2023 and held on to.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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Rhetorical question I know but since the pandemic ended people have been willing to pay top dollar for live eventsAlaG said:I just want to know when concerts became such a rich man's game. Pearl Jam fans always show up but it ruins the entire ####ing vibe at so many shows I've been to lately. People in the lower bowl seated for the whole show. Young adults on IG the entire time taking pictures in front of your line of view. And so on. It just sucks.0 -
SHZA said:
Rhetorical question I know but since the pandemic ended people have been willing to pay top dollar for live eventsAlaG said:I just want to know when concerts became such a rich man's game. Pearl Jam fans always show up but it ruins the entire ####ing vibe at so many shows I've been to lately. People in the lower bowl seated for the whole show. Young adults on IG the entire time taking pictures in front of your line of view. And so on. It just sucks.
This is the current view of part of the rear section at Tottenham's stadium in London. Every block in the rear of the stadium is the same - there are thousands of unsold tickets. So no, I don't think people are willing to pay top dollar0 -
Will end up like The Who at Wembley when Eddie supported. Ticketmaster will also probably do 2-1 nearer the time as well4784495 - Thomas 90
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