Ticket prices. This is not for you (the fans).

Weston1283

LiveAtLeeds said:

jimjam1982 said:

I'm going to guess Europeans just mostly make far less money then USA?

If you stop looking at the premium pricing - I feel this tour was really fair for modern day standards and incomes here in the USA. 

Noblesville is that way because it was a postponed show and has very limited seating left to start with. Most of the venue was already sold in 2023 and held on to.

$200 is normal for a US show? Wow. 

Just got a FB Memory post showing my ticket stub from Springsteen 

$150 for GA floor.... 8 years ago....before fees....

$200 USD for a ticket in 2024 is absolutely consistent with the current market

Jason727

LiveAtLeeds said:

jimjam1982 said:

I'm going to guess Europeans just mostly make far less money then USA?

If you stop looking at the premium pricing - I feel this tour was really fair for modern day standards and incomes here in the USA. 

Noblesville is that way because it was a postponed show and has very limited seating left to start with. Most of the venue was already sold in 2023 and held on to.

$200 is normal for a US show? Wow. 

Also depends a lot on the venue.. for MSG you will pay a hefty premium...tickets for another band at Fenway/Boston were $500 close field seats somewhat close to stage...almost the same distance for Hartford, CT amphitheater was $150 for the same band one night later.

Get_Right

I think many are missing the real reason that ticket prices have gone up. Yes, costs have increased significantly since COVID, but I do not believe that is the main driver of this current pricing model. It is Stubhub and other resellers, and technology/algorithms that has allowed TM to micro manage the sale price of every seat in a given venue. If someone is willing to pay $500 on Stubhub why shouldn't the band see some of that revenue? Stubhub and others make millions off the band and the band realizes zero revenue from those sales. Is that right or fair? Should a band lose millions in the interest of their fans? Truthfully, PJ could probably charge more for certain venues and people would pay. Welcome to the concert industry in 2024.

TM comes along and proposes that PJ should raise their prices for the 10C sale to realize some of that secondary market revenue and that they could make more money selling the best seats via "premium" or dynamic pricing. TM may even note that there are members of the 10C selling their tickets for profit. TM and PJ will split the revenue from those sales. It is hard for an artist to say no to that proposal.

Make no mistake, TM tries to maximize the price paid for EVERY individual seat, especially the best seats in the house. Suckers will bite at the $3500 MSG seat this month and TM and the band will get a piece of that revenue. This is the model.  If demand is not strong, as we are seeing in Europe, TM will adjust the pricing accordingly. That is why everyone should be patient and wait, the market will dictate the appropriate pricing for a given concert. Good luck to all in the verified sale.

Ledbetterman10

mookieblalock said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mookieblalock said:

LiveAtLeeds said:

jimjam1982 said:

I'm going to guess Europeans just mostly make far less money then USA?

If you stop looking at the premium pricing - I feel this tour was really fair for modern day standards and incomes here in the USA. 

Noblesville is that way because it was a postponed show and has very limited seating left to start with. Most of the venue was already sold in 2023 and held on to.

$200 is normal for a US show? Wow. 

Yes. Yes it is.

Depends on the band. I got a lawn ticket to Queens of the Stone Age last year for $50 including fees. 

Lawn can always be had significantly cheaper than a seat from my experience. Apples to oranges.

I'm trying to remember what PJ lawn tickets to Camden in 2022 cost. My email says I paid $157. But I can't remember if that was just for me or if I got the tickets for both me and my friend. 

3days

I'm grateful for current non premium prices.It could be a lot worse.  

mookieblalock

Get_Right said:

I think many are missing the real reason that ticket prices have gone up. Yes, costs have increased significantly since COVID, but I do not believe that is the main driver of this current pricing model. It is Stubhub and other resellers, and technology/algorithms that has allowed TM to micro manage the sale price of every seat in a given venue. If someone is willing to pay $500 on Stubhub why shouldn't the band see some of that revenue? Stubhub and others make millions off the band and the band realizes zero revenue from those sales. Is that right or fair? Should a band lose millions in the interest of their fans? Truthfully, PJ could probably charge more for certain venues and people would pay. Welcome to the concert industry in 2024.

TM comes along and proposes that PJ should raise their prices for the 10C sale to realize some of that secondary market revenue and that they could make more money selling the best seats via "premium" or dynamic pricing. TM may even note that there are members of the 10C selling their tickets for profit. TM and PJ will split the revenue from those sales. It is hard for an artist to say no to that proposal.

Make no mistake, TM tries to maximize the price paid for EVERY individual seat, especially the best seats in the house. Suckers will bite at the $3500 MSG seat this month and TM and the band will get a piece of that revenue. This is the model.  If demand is not strong, as we are seeing in Europe, TM will adjust the pricing accordingly. That is why everyone should be patient and wait, the market will dictate the appropriate pricing for a given concert. Good luck to all in the verified sale.

It’s more than one factor. For example, minimum wage in NY is $15 per hour. Those labor costs come from some place and are passed down to the consumer. Basic economics. Inflation is at a 40 year high. Post covid….yada, yada, yada.

patkelly12

These MSG Premium went from $575 to over $900 in a matter of seconds.

HailHailVitalogy

If they played more than 38 shows as a world tour, I think prices would have been $20-30 less. Prices include fees too

Get_Right

mookieblalock said:

Get_Right said:

I think many are missing the real reason that ticket prices have gone up. Yes, costs have increased significantly since COVID, but I do not believe that is the main driver of this current pricing model. It is Stubhub and other resellers, and technology/algorithms that has allowed TM to micro manage the sale price of every seat in a given venue. If someone is willing to pay $500 on Stubhub why shouldn't the band see some of that revenue? Stubhub and others make millions off the band and the band realizes zero revenue from those sales. Is that right or fair? Should a band lose millions in the interest of their fans? Truthfully, PJ could probably charge more for certain venues and people would pay. Welcome to the concert industry in 2024.

TM comes along and proposes that PJ should raise their prices for the 10C sale to realize some of that secondary market revenue and that they could make more money selling the best seats via "premium" or dynamic pricing. TM may even note that there are members of the 10C selling their tickets for profit. TM and PJ will split the revenue from those sales. It is hard for an artist to say no to that proposal.

Make no mistake, TM tries to maximize the price paid for EVERY individual seat, especially the best seats in the house. Suckers will bite at the $3500 MSG seat this month and TM and the band will get a piece of that revenue. This is the model.  If demand is not strong, as we are seeing in Europe, TM will adjust the pricing accordingly. That is why everyone should be patient and wait, the market will dictate the appropriate pricing for a given concert. Good luck to all in the verified sale.

It’s more than one factor. For example, minimum wage in NY is $15 per hour. Those labor costs come from some place and are passed down to the consumer. Basic economics. Inflation is at a 40 year high. Post covid….yada, yada, yada.

You are right. But increased costs are not the main reason ticket prices have risen 50% in certain markets. It is TM seeking more profits and making an offer the band cannot refuse.

mookieblalock

Get_Right said:

mookieblalock said:

Get_Right said:

I think many are missing the real reason that ticket prices have gone up. Yes, costs have increased significantly since COVID, but I do not believe that is the main driver of this current pricing model. It is Stubhub and other resellers, and technology/algorithms that has allowed TM to micro manage the sale price of every seat in a given venue. If someone is willing to pay $500 on Stubhub why shouldn't the band see some of that revenue? Stubhub and others make millions off the band and the band realizes zero revenue from those sales. Is that right or fair? Should a band lose millions in the interest of their fans? Truthfully, PJ could probably charge more for certain venues and people would pay. Welcome to the concert industry in 2024.

TM comes along and proposes that PJ should raise their prices for the 10C sale to realize some of that secondary market revenue and that they could make more money selling the best seats via "premium" or dynamic pricing. TM may even note that there are members of the 10C selling their tickets for profit. TM and PJ will split the revenue from those sales. It is hard for an artist to say no to that proposal.

Make no mistake, TM tries to maximize the price paid for EVERY individual seat, especially the best seats in the house. Suckers will bite at the $3500 MSG seat this month and TM and the band will get a piece of that revenue. This is the model.  If demand is not strong, as we are seeing in Europe, TM will adjust the pricing accordingly. That is why everyone should be patient and wait, the market will dictate the appropriate pricing for a given concert. Good luck to all in the verified sale.

It’s more than one factor. For example, minimum wage in NY is $15 per hour. Those labor costs come from some place and are passed down to the consumer. Basic economics. Inflation is at a 40 year high. Post covid….yada, yada, yada.

You are right. But increased costs are not the main reason ticket prices have risen 50% in certain markets. It is TM seeking more profits and making an offer the band cannot refuse.

I don’t disagree. It’s greed more than anything, but there are several factors. It’s out of control and until consumers refuse to pay, it won’t change. 

Get_Right

mookieblalock said:

Get_Right said:

mookieblalock said:

Get_Right said:

I think many are missing the real reason that ticket prices have gone up. Yes, costs have increased significantly since COVID, but I do not believe that is the main driver of this current pricing model. It is Stubhub and other resellers, and technology/algorithms that has allowed TM to micro manage the sale price of every seat in a given venue. If someone is willing to pay $500 on Stubhub why shouldn't the band see some of that revenue? Stubhub and others make millions off the band and the band realizes zero revenue from those sales. Is that right or fair? Should a band lose millions in the interest of their fans? Truthfully, PJ could probably charge more for certain venues and people would pay. Welcome to the concert industry in 2024.

TM comes along and proposes that PJ should raise their prices for the 10C sale to realize some of that secondary market revenue and that they could make more money selling the best seats via "premium" or dynamic pricing. TM may even note that there are members of the 10C selling their tickets for profit. TM and PJ will split the revenue from those sales. It is hard for an artist to say no to that proposal.

Make no mistake, TM tries to maximize the price paid for EVERY individual seat, especially the best seats in the house. Suckers will bite at the $3500 MSG seat this month and TM and the band will get a piece of that revenue. This is the model.  If demand is not strong, as we are seeing in Europe, TM will adjust the pricing accordingly. That is why everyone should be patient and wait, the market will dictate the appropriate pricing for a given concert. Good luck to all in the verified sale.

It’s more than one factor. For example, minimum wage in NY is $15 per hour. Those labor costs come from some place and are passed down to the consumer. Basic economics. Inflation is at a 40 year high. Post covid….yada, yada, yada.

You are right. But increased costs are not the main reason ticket prices have risen 50% in certain markets. It is TM seeking more profits and making an offer the band cannot refuse.

I don’t disagree. It’s greed more than anything, but there are several factors. It’s out of control and until consumers refuse to pay, it won’t change. 

It is interesting, the business man in me sees this as grabbing market share rather than a monopolistic fleecing of the consumer (although that is part of it). The fan in me says it sucks that people with wealth are driving prices out of true fans' price range because it is cool to see Pearl Jam. The concert business and ticketing has always been a source of bewilderment for me, going way back to the early 80s when TM starting withholding tickets from public sales.

ilockyer

mace1229 said:

False_Belief said:

mace1229 said:

guypjfreak said:

As a disabled person I've had to pay for 2 tickets as Ticketmaster doesn't seem to recognise the disabled button.. Incase you didn't know if I are disabled...walking.....you can email the ticket companies and they should automatically let me buy 2 tickets and one free for my career..as it is I'm up a bit but got tickets so hey ho . lolol
Tried to get Barcelona tickets but that was Fubar 

A free ticket for your career?

They obviously meant ‘carer’.   Stop being weird.  

I'm not being weird. I didn't know they meant carer. It took me  a couple seconds to figure out what you meant, because I've never heard it called carer before, only caregiver.
And that still doesn't make sense, why would they give a free ticket to a caregiver?
Caregivers don't get a free ticket when you book a flight. Why would they get a free ticket to a concert?

Disability access laws in the UK require venues to be accessible to disabled people beyond just proving a wheelchair ramp and space, as seems to be the norm in the US. That means if someone is blind, for example, and needs a personal assistant to guide them, they have to be able to visit an event at the same cost to anyone else. They should not be penalised by having to pay twice the amount, due to the necessity of a PA, so their tickets are provided complimentary. 

chrisdrake88

Ledbetterman10 said:

chrisdrake88 said:

I've been a 10C member off and on for ten years now (I am aware that this is not the longest membership, but this isn't a measuring contest) and I am absolutely appalled by the prices of tickets for this tour.  The one thing that always stood PJ apart from all other bands was its connection to the fans, the determination to make it as great an experience as could be and the refusal to let its fans be ripped off and exploited in the name of capitalism (See PJ vs Ticketmaster).

The best example of this has always been the Ten Club, where we get rewarded for our loyalty by being allowed to buy tickets at a reasonable price, right down the front where the proper fans are, without needing to pay an absolute fortune for the privilege. These tickets for the Dark Matters tour UK dates are £160. ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY POUNDS. The cheapest tickets in the house are £120.

Pearl Jam, you have completely lost your way.  You are not the band of the people that you once were, you will have lost the respect of thousands of fans with this blatant profiteering and the fact that you are doing this alongside Ticketmaster, of all companies, is frankly insulting.

I for one, will not be renewing my membership next time around and will be interested to see how many others will also leave.

I'm just disappointed.

Eddie in SPIN Magazine, January 1995....

If you have a $55 Rolling Stones ticket and there’s a $3 to $6 service charge, okay. But ours was an $18.50 ticket, and now all of a sudden it’s a $24.00 ticket. That’s not right. I just want people to be able to see our shows. It’s extremely important that it’s available to everyone, that if they’d like to attend they’re able to. Also, when you start having $50 tickets, all of a sudden you’re changing your audience. And that’s a frightening thought, playing only to people that can afford a $50 ticket.


With inflation, a $50 ticket in 1995 is now $102 in 2024. Tickets to this tour are double that. Not such a "freighting thought" anymore. 

I love this reply.  This is exactly the point that I was trying to make.
The most common answers that I'm getting from people who disagree with me are "Don't buy a ticket then" or "Go watch another band". But that's not the point really, is it? The point is that this is Pearl Jam and Pearl Jam have changed.

patkelly12

chrisdrake88 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

chrisdrake88 said:

I've been a 10C member off and on for ten years now (I am aware that this is not the longest membership, but this isn't a measuring contest) and I am absolutely appalled by the prices of tickets for this tour.  The one thing that always stood PJ apart from all other bands was its connection to the fans, the determination to make it as great an experience as could be and the refusal to let its fans be ripped off and exploited in the name of capitalism (See PJ vs Ticketmaster).

The best example of this has always been the Ten Club, where we get rewarded for our loyalty by being allowed to buy tickets at a reasonable price, right down the front where the proper fans are, without needing to pay an absolute fortune for the privilege. These tickets for the Dark Matters tour UK dates are £160. ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY POUNDS. The cheapest tickets in the house are £120.

Pearl Jam, you have completely lost your way.  You are not the band of the people that you once were, you will have lost the respect of thousands of fans with this blatant profiteering and the fact that you are doing this alongside Ticketmaster, of all companies, is frankly insulting.

I for one, will not be renewing my membership next time around and will be interested to see how many others will also leave.

I'm just disappointed.

Eddie in SPIN Magazine, January 1995....

If you have a $55 Rolling Stones ticket and there’s a $3 to $6 service charge, okay. But ours was an $18.50 ticket, and now all of a sudden it’s a $24.00 ticket. That’s not right. I just want people to be able to see our shows. It’s extremely important that it’s available to everyone, that if they’d like to attend they’re able to. Also, when you start having $50 tickets, all of a sudden you’re changing your audience. And that’s a frightening thought, playing only to people that can afford a $50 ticket.


With inflation, a $50 ticket in 1995 is now $102 in 2024. Tickets to this tour are double that. Not such a "freighting thought" anymore. 

I love this reply.  This is exactly the point that I was trying to make.
The most common answers that I'm getting from people who disagree with me are "Don't buy a ticket then" or "Go watch another band". But that's not the point really, is it? The point is that this is Pearl Jam and Pearl Jam have changed.

We like to use the term "evolved" around here. Changed has negative connotations.

SHZA

Get_Right said:

I think many are missing the real reason that ticket prices have gone up. Yes, costs have increased significantly since COVID, but I do not believe that is the main driver of this current pricing model. It is Stubhub and other resellers, and technology/algorithms that has allowed TM to micro manage the sale price of every seat in a given venue. If someone is willing to pay $500 on Stubhub why shouldn't the band see some of that revenue? Stubhub and others make millions off the band and the band realizes zero revenue from those sales. Is that right or fair? Should a band lose millions in the interest of their fans? Truthfully, PJ could probably charge more for certain venues and people would pay. Welcome to the concert industry in 2024.

TM comes along and proposes that PJ should raise their prices for the 10C sale to realize some of that secondary market revenue and that they could make more money selling the best seats via "premium" or dynamic pricing. TM may even note that there are members of the 10C selling their tickets for profit. TM and PJ will split the revenue from those sales. It is hard for an artist to say no to that proposal.

Make no mistake, TM tries to maximize the price paid for EVERY individual seat, especially the best seats in the house. Suckers will bite at the $3500 MSG seat this month and TM and the band will get a piece of that revenue. This is the model.  If demand is not strong, as we are seeing in Europe, TM will adjust the pricing accordingly. That is why everyone should be patient and wait, the market will dictate the appropriate pricing for a given concert. Good luck to all in the verified sale.

Wait, you're saying that prices are determined by market forces like supply and demand? 

chrisdrake88

patkelly12 said:

chrisdrake88 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

chrisdrake88 said:

I've been a 10C member off and on for ten years now (I am aware that this is not the longest membership, but this isn't a measuring contest) and I am absolutely appalled by the prices of tickets for this tour.  The one thing that always stood PJ apart from all other bands was its connection to the fans, the determination to make it as great an experience as could be and the refusal to let its fans be ripped off and exploited in the name of capitalism (See PJ vs Ticketmaster).

The best example of this has always been the Ten Club, where we get rewarded for our loyalty by being allowed to buy tickets at a reasonable price, right down the front where the proper fans are, without needing to pay an absolute fortune for the privilege. These tickets for the Dark Matters tour UK dates are £160. ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY POUNDS. The cheapest tickets in the house are £120.

Pearl Jam, you have completely lost your way.  You are not the band of the people that you once were, you will have lost the respect of thousands of fans with this blatant profiteering and the fact that you are doing this alongside Ticketmaster, of all companies, is frankly insulting.

I for one, will not be renewing my membership next time around and will be interested to see how many others will also leave.

I'm just disappointed.

Eddie in SPIN Magazine, January 1995....

If you have a $55 Rolling Stones ticket and there’s a $3 to $6 service charge, okay. But ours was an $18.50 ticket, and now all of a sudden it’s a $24.00 ticket. That’s not right. I just want people to be able to see our shows. It’s extremely important that it’s available to everyone, that if they’d like to attend they’re able to. Also, when you start having $50 tickets, all of a sudden you’re changing your audience. And that’s a frightening thought, playing only to people that can afford a $50 ticket.


With inflation, a $50 ticket in 1995 is now $102 in 2024. Tickets to this tour are double that. Not such a "freighting thought" anymore. 

I love this reply.  This is exactly the point that I was trying to make.
The most common answers that I'm getting from people who disagree with me are "Don't buy a ticket then" or "Go watch another band". But that's not the point really, is it? The point is that this is Pearl Jam and Pearl Jam have changed.

We like to use the term "evolved" around here. Changed has negative connotations.

Then changed was the correct word to use.

Get_Right

SHZA said:

Get_Right said:

I think many are missing the real reason that ticket prices have gone up. Yes, costs have increased significantly since COVID, but I do not believe that is the main driver of this current pricing model. It is Stubhub and other resellers, and technology/algorithms that has allowed TM to micro manage the sale price of every seat in a given venue. If someone is willing to pay $500 on Stubhub why shouldn't the band see some of that revenue? Stubhub and others make millions off the band and the band realizes zero revenue from those sales. Is that right or fair? Should a band lose millions in the interest of their fans? Truthfully, PJ could probably charge more for certain venues and people would pay. Welcome to the concert industry in 2024.

TM comes along and proposes that PJ should raise their prices for the 10C sale to realize some of that secondary market revenue and that they could make more money selling the best seats via "premium" or dynamic pricing. TM may even note that there are members of the 10C selling their tickets for profit. TM and PJ will split the revenue from those sales. It is hard for an artist to say no to that proposal.

Make no mistake, TM tries to maximize the price paid for EVERY individual seat, especially the best seats in the house. Suckers will bite at the $3500 MSG seat this month and TM and the band will get a piece of that revenue. This is the model.  If demand is not strong, as we are seeing in Europe, TM will adjust the pricing accordingly. That is why everyone should be patient and wait, the market will dictate the appropriate pricing for a given concert. Good luck to all in the verified sale.

Wait, you're saying that prices are determined by market forces like supply and demand? 

Hahaha. Yep.

tino_11

mcgruff10 said:

They definitely out punted their coverage this tour as evident by the amount of tickets left for the european shows.  Literally thousands of unsold tickets.  

Yes, big time. They've not taken into account that in Europe we are paid less and therefore there's less disposable income to spend on tickets. This isn't just for concerts, we pay less for sports tickets and even the cinema, compared to the US. 

We started to see the cracks last tour where Budapest didn't sell out because prices were almost on par with Western Europe. 

10c prices were absolutely pushing it but when you see the premium prices today and there's no wonder so many seats are available. I think we'll see a sharp drop in the coming months but this has left a bad taste in the mouth. I've always appreciated what PJ stood for as well as their music but we've moved into a new era. 

SHZA

Ledbetterman10 said:

mookieblalock said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mookieblalock said:

LiveAtLeeds said:

jimjam1982 said:

I'm going to guess Europeans just mostly make far less money then USA?

If you stop looking at the premium pricing - I feel this tour was really fair for modern day standards and incomes here in the USA. 

Noblesville is that way because it was a postponed show and has very limited seating left to start with. Most of the venue was already sold in 2023 and held on to.

$200 is normal for a US show? Wow. 

Yes. Yes it is.

Depends on the band. I got a lawn ticket to Queens of the Stone Age last year for $50 including fees. 

Lawn can always be had significantly cheaper than a seat from my experience. Apples to oranges.

I'm trying to remember what PJ lawn tickets to Camden in 2022 cost. My email says I paid $157. But I can't remember if that was just for me or if I got the tickets for both me and my friend. 

That was for a pair. Last year lawn for Indy were $80 apiece 

SHZA

HailHailVitalogy said:

If they played more than 38 shows as a world tour, I think prices would have been $20-30 less. Prices include fees too

Increase the supply and demand (hence price) goes down. Brilliant