Potential Ticketmaster Draw Issues

nicknyr15 said:

For me personally, F2F makes not getting tickets in the lottery way more stressful. I don’t have the time or patience to sit in front of a computer and hope to get a F2F ticket. Bring back reselling. I know it’s not a popular opinion but with the secondary market I’m way more confident I can get into shows. I can pick and chose, be patient or just splurge if I have to. My time is more valuable honestly. 

NewfieintheUSA said:

on2legs said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

on2legs said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BF25394 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

on2legs said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

on2legs said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

on2legs said:

darwinstheory said:

mookieblalock said:

LukinTimer said:

darwinstheory said:

It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.

@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city. 

So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2
If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2

Example:
Person A  put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows
LA 1
LA 2
Vegas 1
Vegas 2
Wrigley 1
Wrigley 2

What we are seeing as "random" results:
LA 1 - GA
LA 2 - GA
Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved
Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved 
Wrigley 1 - GA
Wrigley 2 - GA

^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw. 

There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.

Speaking of cherry picking, yet another reminder that the root complaint is not strictly regarding GA. It is about the percentage of people receiving the exact same choice for show 2 in city x as they did for show 1. Regardless of what Jimmy got drawn (or denied) for LA, he was (almost) automatically going to get the same selection for night 2 in LA.

This is the one example I saw where someone got a N2 GA after a N1 P1. I'm sure there are others, but there should be a lot more 'splits' than 'sames' especially with GA in cities with 2 shows. Something is funky with the double GA's in 2 show US cities (and maybe doubles in general).

But if there is a glitch like you're describing then this guy should not have pulled these seats. 

I threw out one theory on why there are so many double GA's, and yes, this goes against that. It doesn't change that there are way too many GA/GA's being reported vs P1/GA (or GA/P1) on 2 show US cities. It shouldn't be anywhere close to 50/50 if it truly was a totally separate draw for each show.

You're drawing conclusions from an incomplete amount of data.  It's all anecdotal.  And you're dismissing the data that doesn't fit your conclusion. 

..
Me: 1/5
Balt - denied
Philly 1 - denied
Philly 2 - denied
MSG 1- denied
MSG 2 - eligible for draw since I lost n1, won GA

Spouse, 4/4
Balt - P2
Philly 1 - P1
Philly 2 - P1
MSG 1- P1

Family, 2/3
Philly 1 - denied
Philly 2 - P1
MSG1 - P1

Family,2/2
Philly 1 - P1
Philly 2 - P1




…

the above is not anecdotal. I changed the names, it’s not me for sure, the first one is what we’d expect for such in demand cities, 1 for 4 (msg counts as one), but the one win is a huge one, msg GA. Notoriously difficult.

then the spouse goes four for four in the four toughest draws? which has to be a tiny fraction of one percent (assuming a 10-20% chance to win one NE Show)

then remaining two family members go four for five, which on its own is way under one percent. I left off their friend, who was one for two, not bad.

its very possible we are being toyed with, because to have all these under one percent hits in the same family… time to go to Vegas, baby.

(edit, there were many like this, but this was the big one)

 

The original post also had someone who was 1-for-2 as you note. I see five people whose success rates were 100, 100, 67, 50 and 20. It's not a perfect distribution, but it's a pretty broad distribution especially for such a small sample size. It's exactly the kind of broad distribution a random draw should generate.

If all those success rates are for the four shows in the high demand NE region, they are all WAY above statistical expectations, based on prior tours.

I am changing my answer to @on2legs - that example of a family’s success is not anecdotal. It is verifiable, if they chose to share the evidence. I am not saying I want them to do that, just that it is provable . 

There is someone who hit all this on 1 account 
Portland
Seattle n1
Seattle n2
MSG N2
Philly 1 GA
Philly 2 GA
Boston 1 GA
Boston 2 GA

I believe their only miss was Baltimore

This has happened in the prior tour lotteries.  Even with priority people have hit on 10 shows.  Check those threads.  

Not 10 shows where 7 are high demand. Not GA to 4 high demand shows. 

Your complaints mirror the complaints from every prior tour.  I get the sting of being shut out.  I've been there on prior tours and Ed solo tours.  And I've never won GA for any show ever. Win some. Lose some. 

Except they don't, in previous tours if wouldn't have been possible to win GA both nights in Philly on 1 account. It wouldn't have been possible to win MSG+ both Philly nights and both Seattle nights om one account.

If you played your entry correctly you could hit it big, sure; but usually this meant hitting a bunch of less in demand shows. Not 5 shows in the northeast+ 2 in Seattle in one drawing 

darwinstheory said:

PB11041 said:

Get_Right said:

If you look hard enough you can find a pattern anywhere. Statistics are malleable. The data set of people posting here and on facebook is not representative of all members. Yes, the system could be improved to prevent some members getting 7 shows while others got shut out. A limit on the number of shows or requests might prevent those unfair results. And I agree that TM has has been less than reliable in the past. 10C ticketing has always had one issue or another, it is what it is. I have always had decent luck by picking what I think are tickets that have a lower demand, like P2 for MSG instead of GA.

stop making sense, everyone here wants to find a loophole in the space time continuum that will grant them GA to every show they want to go to.

Ridiculous comment - I recieved Reserved for Portland, Vancouver 1 and Vancouver 2. I've made not one complaint about those results. In fact, I have applauded TM Canada for their actual random drawing. My complaint has never even been about any of the single show cities nor has it been GA exclusive. My concern is the frequency with which someone selected (or shut out) for show 1 of a city (regardless of their seat assignment - GA, P1 or P2) was also guaranteed to recieve the same seat assignment (or also be shut out) of show #2 in the same city. 
This happened time and again for Seattle, LA, Las Vegas, Chicago, Boston and Philly. 

If you recieved GA for show 1 in any of those cities, you were nearly guaranteed to recieve GA for show 2 of that same city. If you recieved P1 for show 1 of any of those cities, you were nearly a lock to recieve P1 for show 2. In fact, I don't believe there were any reports of a person receiving GA for show 2 of a city after receiving P1 for the 1st show of that same city. 0. Something wasn't random about this drawing. I'm not saying it was on a huge scale like in 2023. I'm not asking for a redraw. I'm not suggesting that I must get, or deserve, GA for any show. But I'm not ignoring that something was clearly amiss with the seat assignments for ticket buyers in both shows of the same cities.

RK50065 said:

scurtis said:

I applied for two nights in Vegas. As did my brother in law. We were going to go with the wives. It stung at first that he got both nights and I got nothing. But then it stung even more when I saw people getting like 6,9,10 shows; including both nights to Vegas.

I’m sure I can figure out how to get tickets another way. But 10C isn’t some small, grassroots fan club. It’s a big business that does (I am assuming) 100’s of millions of dollars in revenue every year. I don’t feel these outcomes are acceptable coming from a big business like this. 

I have a very easy solution for you...lol...

mace1229 said:

DM302403 said:

wiscojam said:

mpedone said:

LukinTimer said:

wiscojam said:

LukinTimer said:

 There are also an inordinate amount of people who got shut out for both nights in one city. So, if they put in for “GA or Reserved” but didn’t get GA… I don’t think they were added back into the draw for reserved seats for either night. People who selected “Reserved” in addition to “GA and Reserved” (whether P1 or P2) were probably okay. But those who thought they would be okay with just selecting “GA and Reserved” were not included in the general seated draw, therefore not getting either night. 

Thoughts? 

If said person only selected "GA or Reserved", that's on them. It was pretty clear all should be selected for best chance

It literally says this is the instructions, I pulled it directly: "Select GA Pit / Reserved for your best chance of getting tickets."

That would lead one to believe that if they selected "GA or Reserved" they wouildn't then need to also select just "Reserved."  

It "literally" says Select all options below. For Vegas, there were 3 options to select. not sure about other venues

Wrigley Field had two options.

GA/Reserved P1
Reserved P1

I selected both options just because it did say selecting multiple seat locations it would increase your chances of getting tickets.

I only looked at wrigley and have been so confused about the P1 and P2 thing. So P2 wasn't a thing here? Makes sense why I didn't know what they were talking about. 

JimmyV said:

Have we still been unable to find someone in the U.S. draw who got GA for night 2 after getting P1 for night 1? 

JR86440 said:

I'm curious if those who got shut out didnt choose JUST the reserved seating option. Originally I chose just the GA or Reserved but then checked both boxes. Buddy of mine who only chose the GA or Reserved option got shut out of both Vegas shows. I got both..

BF25394 said:

SHZA said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

mookieblalock said:

LukinTimer said:

darwinstheory said:

It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.

@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city. 

So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2
If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2

Example:
Person A  put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows
LA 1
LA 2
Vegas 1
Vegas 2
Wrigley 1
Wrigley 2

What we are seeing as "random" results:
LA 1 - GA
LA 2 - GA
Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved
Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved 
Wrigley 1 - GA
Wrigley 2 - GA

^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw. 

There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.

It's 12%, and that percentage is extremely high for double GA

Thats literally 1/8 people

Not counting people who chose not to answer the poll so as not to undermine the system that helped them 

You're giving people way too much credit for being Machiavellian. I didn't answer the poll because multiple answers applied to me and I could only choose one option in the poll.

darwinstheory said:

PB11041 said:

Get_Right said:

If you look hard enough you can find a pattern anywhere. Statistics are malleable. The data set of people posting here and on facebook is not representative of all members. Yes, the system could be improved to prevent some members getting 7 shows while others got shut out. A limit on the number of shows or requests might prevent those unfair results. And I agree that TM has has been less than reliable in the past. 10C ticketing has always had one issue or another, it is what it is. I have always had decent luck by picking what I think are tickets that have a lower demand, like P2 for MSG instead of GA.

stop making sense, everyone here wants to find a loophole in the space time continuum that will grant them GA to every show they want to go to.

Ridiculous comment - I recieved Reserved for Portland, Vancouver 1 and Vancouver 2. I've made not one complaint about those results. In fact, I have applauded TM Canada for their actual random drawing. My complaint has never even been about any of the single show cities nor has it been GA exclusive. My concern is the frequency with which someone selected (or shut out) for show 1 of a city (regardless of their seat assignment - GA, P1 or P2) was also guaranteed to recieve the same seat assignment (or also be shut out) of show #2 in the same city. 
This happened time and again for Seattle, LA, Las Vegas, Chicago, Boston and Philly. 

If you recieved GA for show 1 in any of those cities, you were nearly guaranteed to recieve GA for show 2 of that same city. If you recieved P1 for show 1 of any of those cities, you were nearly a lock to recieve P1 for show 2. In fact, I don't believe there were any reports of a person receiving GA for show 2 of a city after receiving P1 for the 1st show of that same city. 0. Something wasn't random about this drawing. I'm not saying it was on a huge scale like in 2023. I'm not asking for a redraw. I'm not suggesting that I must get, or deserve, GA for any show. But I'm not ignoring that something was clearly amiss with the seat assignments for ticket buyers in both shows of the same cities.