Potential Ticketmaster Draw Issues
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I made the mistake of registering on Ticketmaster thinking it was the ten club lottery. Am devastated. Anyone else on here make the same mistake? Is there any way ten club could help?rustedsigns0
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I do not think we have seen more double GAs than not. More people got shut out than people who got double GAs. I just think people need to accept the fact that if you select GA/P1 you might get shut out for northeast shows since those tickets are in the highest demand and are in the most popular markets. They should have applied the MSG rule to any city with two shows, especially in the northeast, and hopefully they will next time around. It is tough for TM and the band to agree to this as it slows down ticket sales.0
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RyGuy said:
What's the incentive for TM and 10C to wade into this debate? It's not like they've had trouble finding people willing to submit entries into any of the lotteries.CM189191 said:mookieblalock said:
The only thing I’m a staunch believer in is data, which you still have none of. You thinking I voted in that poll to skew the numbers somehow is just another tin foil conspiracy. Maybe there was a glitch, but nobody in this thread has presented any actual meaningful data to substantiate this.darwinstheory said:
Well, 4 people did actually vote for the "what is a Pearl Jam" option. Including the most staunch not believer of anything amiss hereon2legs said:SHZA said:
The intent of the poll was obviously to see if a disproportionate number of people scored double GAs in the same city. The lucky ones who benefited from the glitch (if one exists) may have been reluctant to answer because a full tally might show that something was clearly offon2legs said:SHZA said:
Not counting people who chose not to answer the poll so as not to undermine the system that helped themNewfieintheUSA said:
Thats literally 1/8 peopleNewfieintheUSA said:
It's 12%, and that percentage is extremely high for double GAmookieblalock said:LukinTimer said:darwinstheory said:
It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2
If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example:
Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows
LA 1
LA 2
Vegas 1
Vegas 2
Wrigley 1
Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results:
LA 1 - GA
LA 2 - GA
Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved
Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved
Wrigley 1 - GA
Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.
What?!?
You've made a lot of rational and intelligent points in this thread. But theorizing that the reason the results of the poll don't meet your assumptions is because people are purposely skewing the poll is wandering off into conspiracy theory territory.
Clearly that skews the pool.
Then there is another person who is really arguing the point that anything was wrong with the drawing. That person didn't vote in the pool. That person got 2 GA for both shows in 2 cities and P1 for both shows in another city. Coincidence, I know.CM189191 said:*taps mic*
is this thing on?
10C & Ticketmaster could easily shed some light on this. A little transparency would go a long way.
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Has anyone else had the issue of not hearing Yea or nay for their Tickets? Something seems out of sorts, I usually hear either way (mostly nay). But I haven’t received anything after my show selection confirmation email.
Not looking promising for my LA, NY and Boston picks.Post edited by sbifone on0 -
There has been more 2 GA's over P1/GA splits in the growing poll thread. 2 GA's in a 2 show city should be pretty rare, probably around 1% to 4% if each show was completely random and a single show lottery yields a 10%-20% GA result (that may be a high estimate).Get_Right said:I do not think we have seen more double GAs than not. More people got shut out than people who got double GAs. I just think people need to accept the fact that if you select GA/P1 you might get shut out for northeast shows since those tickets are in the highest demand and are in the most popular markets. They should have applied the MSG rule to any city with two shows, especially in the northeast, and hopefully they will next time around. It is tough for TM and the band to agree to this as it slows down ticket sales.0 -
No incentive for TM. But I assume 10c likes collecting our dues every year. If tickets become too difficult to get or seats become too crappy, I imagine fewer will renew if thats the case.RyGuy said:
What's the incentive for TM and 10C to wade into this debate? It's not like they've had trouble finding people willing to submit entries into any of the lotteries.CM189191 said:mookieblalock said:
The only thing I’m a staunch believer in is data, which you still have none of. You thinking I voted in that poll to skew the numbers somehow is just another tin foil conspiracy. Maybe there was a glitch, but nobody in this thread has presented any actual meaningful data to substantiate this.darwinstheory said:
Well, 4 people did actually vote for the "what is a Pearl Jam" option. Including the most staunch not believer of anything amiss hereon2legs said:SHZA said:
The intent of the poll was obviously to see if a disproportionate number of people scored double GAs in the same city. The lucky ones who benefited from the glitch (if one exists) may have been reluctant to answer because a full tally might show that something was clearly offon2legs said:SHZA said:
Not counting people who chose not to answer the poll so as not to undermine the system that helped themNewfieintheUSA said:
Thats literally 1/8 peopleNewfieintheUSA said:
It's 12%, and that percentage is extremely high for double GAmookieblalock said:LukinTimer said:darwinstheory said:
It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2
If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example:
Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows
LA 1
LA 2
Vegas 1
Vegas 2
Wrigley 1
Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results:
LA 1 - GA
LA 2 - GA
Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved
Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved
Wrigley 1 - GA
Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.
What?!?
You've made a lot of rational and intelligent points in this thread. But theorizing that the reason the results of the poll don't meet your assumptions is because people are purposely skewing the poll is wandering off into conspiracy theory territory.
Clearly that skews the pool.
Then there is another person who is really arguing the point that anything was wrong with the drawing. That person didn't vote in the pool. That person got 2 GA for both shows in 2 cities and P1 for both shows in another city. Coincidence, I know.CM189191 said:*taps mic*
is this thing on?
10C & Ticketmaster could easily shed some light on this. A little transparency would go a long way.0 -
There are examples of it. I think the more plausible scenario might be that if you got GA for night 1 you may have had increased odds of getting GA for night 2. I also have a theory on what could cause something like this. Because they were not allowing you to be eligible for both nights of MSG, they had to put something in place to prevent it. Sometimes when you change the coding it has unintended consequences. So while it may prevent 2 nights at MSG what if it somehow added extra eligibility to the N2 of other two city shows? Kind of like adding an extra ping pong ball in the lottery for everyone who got GA on N1. Again just a theory.JimmyV said:Have we still been unable to find someone in the U.S. draw who got GA for night 2 after getting P1 for night 1?0 -
Seeing folks posting in another thread that the confirmation/rejection emails have started to roll out for Vancouver.sbifone said:Has anyone else had the issue of not hearing Yea or nay for their Tickets? Something seems out of sorts, I usually hear either way (mostly nay). But I haven’t received anything after my show selection confirmation email.Post edited by jbaker67 on2000: Camden 9/1 2003: Camden 7/5, Hershey 2004: Reading 2006: Camden 5/28 2008: Camden 6/19, 6/20 2009: Philadelphia 10/27, 10/28, 10/31 2012: Philadelphia 2016: Philadelphia 4/28, New York City 5/2 2018: Seattle 8/8, 8/10 2019: Innings Fest 2021: Sea.Hear.Now, Ohana 2022: Baltimore, Camden, Louisville, St. Louis 2023: Saint Paul 8/31, 9/2 2024: Philadelphia 9/7, 9/9, Baltimore
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I did the same thing thinking it was for the 10C tickets and left it like that. Luckily 10C sent a reminder email the following day about how to register with the club for those tickets and I registered for that as well. Luckily received Reserved P1 for both nights at Wrigley.southernmanfan said:I made the mistake of registering on Ticketmaster thinking it was the ten club lottery. Am devastated. Anyone else on here make the same mistake? Is there any way ten club could help?0 -
Haha that would be funny. “Sorry hon, SC didn’t get tickets so him and I are going”.RK50065 said:scurtis said:
haha. I regret complaining. There are bigger issues in life, I lost my perspective.RK50065 said:
I have a very easy solution for you...lol...scurtis said:I applied for two nights in Vegas. As did my brother in law. We were going to go with the wives. It stung at first that he got both nights and I got nothing. But then it stung even more when I saw people getting like 6,9,10 shows; including both nights to Vegas.
I’m sure I can figure out how to get tickets another way. But 10C isn’t some small, grassroots fan club. It’s a big business that does (I am assuming) 100’s of millions of dollars in revenue every year. I don’t feel these outcomes are acceptable coming from a big business like this.
all good. I didn't consider it complaining (or anything more than what everyone else says). also, I wasn't suggesting for you to quit the club...but leave the wives at home and enjoy the shows with your bro-in-law!"Born on third, thinks he got a triple."0 -
It's the obvious solution LOLscurtis said:
Haha that would be funny. “Sorry hon, SC didn’t get tickets so him and I are going”.RK50065 said:scurtis said:
haha. I regret complaining. There are bigger issues in life, I lost my perspective.RK50065 said:
I have a very easy solution for you...lol...scurtis said:I applied for two nights in Vegas. As did my brother in law. We were going to go with the wives. It stung at first that he got both nights and I got nothing. But then it stung even more when I saw people getting like 6,9,10 shows; including both nights to Vegas.
I’m sure I can figure out how to get tickets another way. But 10C isn’t some small, grassroots fan club. It’s a big business that does (I am assuming) 100’s of millions of dollars in revenue every year. I don’t feel these outcomes are acceptable coming from a big business like this.
all good. I didn't consider it complaining (or anything more than what everyone else says). also, I wasn't suggesting for you to quit the club...but leave the wives at home and enjoy the shows with your bro-in-law!Randall's Island 9/29/96, Continental Arena 9/8/98, MSG 9/10/98, Jones Beach 8/23/00, 8/24/00, 8/25/00, Nassau Coliseum 4/30/03, MSG 7/8/03, 7/9/03, Continental Arena 6/1/06, 6/3/06, MSG 6/24/08, 6/25/08, Spectrum 10/30/09, 10/31/09, MSG 5/20/10, 5/21/10, PJ20 9/3/11, 9/4/11, Charlottesville 10/29/13, Charlotte 10/30/13, Global Citizen 9/26/15, Raleigh 4/20/16 Baltimore 3/28/20 Austin 9/18/23, 9/19/23, Forum 5/21/24, Baltimore 9/12/24, Fenway 9/17/24, Nashville 5/6/25, 5/8/250 -
mookieblalock said:
In statistics, you need at least a sample size of 30 to have any validity, so 4 doesn’t cut it…but I’m sure you already knew that.Lerxst1992 said:
If all those success rates are for the four shows in the high demand NE region, they are all WAY above statistical expectations, based on prior tours.BF25394 said:
The original post also had someone who was 1-for-2 as you note. I see five people whose success rates were 100, 100, 67, 50 and 20. It's not a perfect distribution, but it's a pretty broad distribution especially for such a small sample size. It's exactly the kind of broad distribution a random draw should generate.Lerxst1992 said:on2legs said:BloodMeridian80 said:
I threw out one theory on why there are so many double GA's, and yes, this goes against that. It doesn't change that there are way too many GA/GA's being reported vs P1/GA (or GA/P1) on 2 show US cities. It shouldn't be anywhere close to 50/50 if it truly was a totally separate draw for each show.on2legs said:BloodMeridian80 said:
This is the one example I saw where someone got a N2 GA after a N1 P1. I'm sure there are others, but there should be a lot more 'splits' than 'sames' especially with GA in cities with 2 shows. Something is funky with the double GA's in 2 show US cities (and maybe doubles in general).on2legs said:darwinstheory said:
Speaking of cherry picking, yet another reminder that the root complaint is not strictly regarding GA. It is about the percentage of people receiving the exact same choice for show 2 in city x as they did for show 1. Regardless of what Jimmy got drawn (or denied) for LA, he was (almost) automatically going to get the same selection for night 2 in LA.mookieblalock said:LukinTimer said:darwinstheory said:
It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2
If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example:
Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows
LA 1
LA 2
Vegas 1
Vegas 2
Wrigley 1
Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results:
LA 1 - GA
LA 2 - GA
Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved
Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved
Wrigley 1 - GA
Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.
But if there is a glitch like you're describing then this guy should not have pulled these seats.
You're drawing conclusions from an incomplete amount of data. It's all anecdotal. And you're dismissing the data that doesn't fit your conclusion...
Me: 1/5
Balt - denied
Philly 1 - denied
Philly 2 - denied
MSG 1- denied
MSG 2 - eligible for draw since I lost n1, won GA
Spouse, 4/4
Balt - P2
Philly 1 - P1
Philly 2 - P1
MSG 1- P1
Family, 2/3
Philly 1 - denied
Philly 2 - P1
MSG1 - P1
Family,2/2
Philly 1 - P1
Philly 2 - P1
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the above is not anecdotal. I changed the names, it’s not me for sure, the first one is what we’d expect for such in demand cities, 1 for 4 (msg counts as one), but the one win is a huge one, msg GA. Notoriously difficult.
then the spouse goes four for four in the four toughest draws? which has to be a tiny fraction of one percent (assuming a 10-20% chance to win one NE Show)
then remaining two family members go four for five, which on its own is way under one percent. I left off their friend, who was one for two, not bad.
its very possible we are being toyed with, because to have all these under one percent hits in the same family… time to go to Vegas, baby.
(edit, there were many like this, but this was the big one)
I am changing my answer to @on2legs - that example of a family’s success is not anecdotal. It is verifiable, if they chose to share the evidence. I am not saying I want them to do that, just that it is provable .You don’t believe in the state lottery?If the lotto were this easy we’d all be millionaires.
lets assume historical show odds apply here for the NE (8 to 30%) and fans are being honest about their results.
go ahead and calculate the likelihood of hitting these four shows with these estimated odds, which are based on when they used to release:
NY 8%
Ph 20%
Ph 20%
Balt 30%
it’s not a sample size, its a probability calculation, based on specific mathematics. And not only have there been many instances of fans hitting this trifecta, one family had it done twice. They should play the lotto.I have no problem paying quadruple face for msg (as that’s the cost of traveling out of town to catch a show), this is how they decided to allocate shows and drive demand, the NE never gets enough, even when we get seven shows. But when a band takes over ticketing it’d be nice to have some visibility in the process.0 -
No, I hit GA for two nights in two cities and P1 for two nights in two other cities.BloodMeridian80 said:
Just answer it in the best way you can. You hit GA for 2 nights in 2 different cities, no? Clearly, answer the double GA.BF25394 said:
You're giving people way too much credit for being Machiavellian. I didn't answer the poll because multiple answers applied to me and I could only choose one option in the poll.SHZA said:
Not counting people who chose not to answer the poll so as not to undermine the system that helped themNewfieintheUSA said:
Thats literally 1/8 peopleNewfieintheUSA said:
It's 12%, and that percentage is extremely high for double GAmookieblalock said:LukinTimer said:darwinstheory said:
It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2
If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example:
Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows
LA 1
LA 2
Vegas 1
Vegas 2
Wrigley 1
Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results:
LA 1 - GA
LA 2 - GA
Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved
Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved
Wrigley 1 - GA
Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
NewfieintheUSA said:
Except they don't, in previous tours if wouldn't have been possible to win GA both nights in Philly on 1 account. It wouldn't have been possible to win MSG+ both Philly nights and both Seattle nights om one account.on2legs said:
Your complaints mirror the complaints from every prior tour. I get the sting of being shut out. I've been there on prior tours and Ed solo tours. And I've never won GA for any show ever. Win some. Lose some.NewfieintheUSA said:
Not 10 shows where 7 are high demand. Not GA to 4 high demand shows.on2legs said:
This has happened in the prior tour lotteries. Even with priority people have hit on 10 shows. Check those threads.NewfieintheUSA said:
There is someone who hit all this on 1 accountLerxst1992 said:
If all those success rates are for the four shows in the high demand NE region, they are all WAY above statistical expectations, based on prior tours.BF25394 said:
The original post also had someone who was 1-for-2 as you note. I see five people whose success rates were 100, 100, 67, 50 and 20. It's not a perfect distribution, but it's a pretty broad distribution especially for such a small sample size. It's exactly the kind of broad distribution a random draw should generate.Lerxst1992 said:on2legs said:BloodMeridian80 said:
I threw out one theory on why there are so many double GA's, and yes, this goes against that. It doesn't change that there are way too many GA/GA's being reported vs P1/GA (or GA/P1) on 2 show US cities. It shouldn't be anywhere close to 50/50 if it truly was a totally separate draw for each show.on2legs said:BloodMeridian80 said:
This is the one example I saw where someone got a N2 GA after a N1 P1. I'm sure there are others, but there should be a lot more 'splits' than 'sames' especially with GA in cities with 2 shows. Something is funky with the double GA's in 2 show US cities (and maybe doubles in general).on2legs said:darwinstheory said:
Speaking of cherry picking, yet another reminder that the root complaint is not strictly regarding GA. It is about the percentage of people receiving the exact same choice for show 2 in city x as they did for show 1. Regardless of what Jimmy got drawn (or denied) for LA, he was (almost) automatically going to get the same selection for night 2 in LA.mookieblalock said:LukinTimer said:darwinstheory said:
It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2
If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example:
Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows
LA 1
LA 2
Vegas 1
Vegas 2
Wrigley 1
Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results:
LA 1 - GA
LA 2 - GA
Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved
Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved
Wrigley 1 - GA
Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.
But if there is a glitch like you're describing then this guy should not have pulled these seats.
You're drawing conclusions from an incomplete amount of data. It's all anecdotal. And you're dismissing the data that doesn't fit your conclusion...
Me: 1/5
Balt - denied
Philly 1 - denied
Philly 2 - denied
MSG 1- denied
MSG 2 - eligible for draw since I lost n1, won GA
Spouse, 4/4
Balt - P2
Philly 1 - P1
Philly 2 - P1
MSG 1- P1
Family, 2/3
Philly 1 - denied
Philly 2 - P1
MSG1 - P1
Family,2/2
Philly 1 - P1
Philly 2 - P1
…
the above is not anecdotal. I changed the names, it’s not me for sure, the first one is what we’d expect for such in demand cities, 1 for 4 (msg counts as one), but the one win is a huge one, msg GA. Notoriously difficult.
then the spouse goes four for four in the four toughest draws? which has to be a tiny fraction of one percent (assuming a 10-20% chance to win one NE Show)
then remaining two family members go four for five, which on its own is way under one percent. I left off their friend, who was one for two, not bad.
its very possible we are being toyed with, because to have all these under one percent hits in the same family… time to go to Vegas, baby.
(edit, there were many like this, but this was the big one)
I am changing my answer to @on2legs - that example of a family’s success is not anecdotal. It is verifiable, if they chose to share the evidence. I am not saying I want them to do that, just that it is provable .
Portland
Seattle n1
Seattle n2
MSG N2
Philly 1 GA
Philly 2 GA
Boston 1 GA
Boston 2 GA
I believe their only miss was Baltimore
If you played your entry correctly you could hit it big, sure; but usually this meant hitting a bunch of less in demand shows. Not 5 shows in the northeast+ 2 in Seattle in one drawingSome people refuse to consider alternatives to their way of thinking. They’ve seen winners post going five for five in Vegas or LA or London or wherever. They are not willing to pause for a second and realize how much more difficult it is to win tickets in these specific NE cities. It’s just easy for them to say, I’ve seen this before
They’d rather just chalk it up to complaining because it’s easier for them to process than to think specifics about the history of these specific shows/cities
id hope that fans who chose to reply to me pay attention to detail. They should note, not once am I including Fenway in this discussion because that’s a huge venue with two shows. Hitting that twice .probably has better odds
but msg (once) and Philly three for three? Add in tiny venue Baltimore? cmone, that’s gotta be a probability of somewhere around 0.01% and the band should at least be posting odds or giving some visibility since they control how we get tickets0 -
My friend got four GAs in the 2020 lottery.BloodMeridian80 said:
No one got 4 GA's through the previous system with priority. Something happened with the double GA's in 2 show cities. You should not see this many double GA's over splits, the sample size is big enough to note this.on2legs said:
This has happened in the prior tour lotteries. Even with priority people have hit on 10 shows. Check those threads.NewfieintheUSA said:
There is someone who hit all this on 1 accountLerxst1992 said:
If all those success rates are for the four shows in the high demand NE region, they are all WAY above statistical expectations, based on prior tours.BF25394 said:
The original post also had someone who was 1-for-2 as you note. I see five people whose success rates were 100, 100, 67, 50 and 20. It's not a perfect distribution, but it's a pretty broad distribution especially for such a small sample size. It's exactly the kind of broad distribution a random draw should generate.Lerxst1992 said:on2legs said:BloodMeridian80 said:
I threw out one theory on why there are so many double GA's, and yes, this goes against that. It doesn't change that there are way too many GA/GA's being reported vs P1/GA (or GA/P1) on 2 show US cities. It shouldn't be anywhere close to 50/50 if it truly was a totally separate draw for each show.on2legs said:BloodMeridian80 said:
This is the one example I saw where someone got a N2 GA after a N1 P1. I'm sure there are others, but there should be a lot more 'splits' than 'sames' especially with GA in cities with 2 shows. Something is funky with the double GA's in 2 show US cities (and maybe doubles in general).on2legs said:darwinstheory said:
Speaking of cherry picking, yet another reminder that the root complaint is not strictly regarding GA. It is about the percentage of people receiving the exact same choice for show 2 in city x as they did for show 1. Regardless of what Jimmy got drawn (or denied) for LA, he was (almost) automatically going to get the same selection for night 2 in LA.mookieblalock said:LukinTimer said:darwinstheory said:
It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2
If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example:
Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows
LA 1
LA 2
Vegas 1
Vegas 2
Wrigley 1
Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results:
LA 1 - GA
LA 2 - GA
Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved
Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved
Wrigley 1 - GA
Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.
But if there is a glitch like you're describing then this guy should not have pulled these seats.
You're drawing conclusions from an incomplete amount of data. It's all anecdotal. And you're dismissing the data that doesn't fit your conclusion...
Me: 1/5
Balt - denied
Philly 1 - denied
Philly 2 - denied
MSG 1- denied
MSG 2 - eligible for draw since I lost n1, won GA
Spouse, 4/4
Balt - P2
Philly 1 - P1
Philly 2 - P1
MSG 1- P1
Family, 2/3
Philly 1 - denied
Philly 2 - P1
MSG1 - P1
Family,2/2
Philly 1 - P1
Philly 2 - P1
…
the above is not anecdotal. I changed the names, it’s not me for sure, the first one is what we’d expect for such in demand cities, 1 for 4 (msg counts as one), but the one win is a huge one, msg GA. Notoriously difficult.
then the spouse goes four for four in the four toughest draws? which has to be a tiny fraction of one percent (assuming a 10-20% chance to win one NE Show)
then remaining two family members go four for five, which on its own is way under one percent. I left off their friend, who was one for two, not bad.
its very possible we are being toyed with, because to have all these under one percent hits in the same family… time to go to Vegas, baby.
(edit, there were many like this, but this was the big one)
I am changing my answer to @on2legs - that example of a family’s success is not anecdotal. It is verifiable, if they chose to share the evidence. I am not saying I want them to do that, just that it is provable .
Portland
Seattle n1
Seattle n2
MSG N2
Philly 1 GA
Philly 2 GA
Boston 1 GA
Boston 2 GA
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I went 1/7.
Checked all the boxes but only pulled Vegas N1 P1.
Got nada for Vegas N2, MSG's, Philly 2x, or Boston 2x.
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So 8 shows - 4 GA and 4 P1 ? Congrats!!BF25394 said:
No, I hit GA for two nights in two cities and P1 for two nights in two other cities.BloodMeridian80 said:
Just answer it in the best way you can. You hit GA for 2 nights in 2 different cities, no? Clearly, answer the double GA.BF25394 said:
You're giving people way too much credit for being Machiavellian. I didn't answer the poll because multiple answers applied to me and I could only choose one option in the poll.SHZA said:
Not counting people who chose not to answer the poll so as not to undermine the system that helped themNewfieintheUSA said:
Thats literally 1/8 peopleNewfieintheUSA said:
It's 12%, and that percentage is extremely high for double GAmookieblalock said:LukinTimer said:darwinstheory said:
It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2
If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example:
Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows
LA 1
LA 2
Vegas 1
Vegas 2
Wrigley 1
Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results:
LA 1 - GA
LA 2 - GA
Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved
Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved
Wrigley 1 - GA
Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.
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Actually, ten shows. 5 GA and 5 P1. For once, everything came up Milhouse.GlowGirl said:
So 8 shows - 4 GA and 4 P1 ? Congrats!!BF25394 said:
No, I hit GA for two nights in two cities and P1 for two nights in two other cities.BloodMeridian80 said:
Just answer it in the best way you can. You hit GA for 2 nights in 2 different cities, no? Clearly, answer the double GA.BF25394 said:
You're giving people way too much credit for being Machiavellian. I didn't answer the poll because multiple answers applied to me and I could only choose one option in the poll.SHZA said:
Not counting people who chose not to answer the poll so as not to undermine the system that helped themNewfieintheUSA said:
Thats literally 1/8 peopleNewfieintheUSA said:
It's 12%, and that percentage is extremely high for double GAmookieblalock said:LukinTimer said:darwinstheory said:
It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2
If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example:
Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows
LA 1
LA 2
Vegas 1
Vegas 2
Wrigley 1
Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results:
LA 1 - GA
LA 2 - GA
Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved
Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved
Wrigley 1 - GA
Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.
(Flinches in anticipation of blows raining down...)I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
No wonder you are so adamantly trying to defend this systemBF25394 said:
Actually, ten shows. 5 GA and 5 P1. For once, everything came up Milhouse.GlowGirl said:
So 8 shows - 4 GA and 4 P1 ? Congrats!!BF25394 said:
No, I hit GA for two nights in two cities and P1 for two nights in two other cities.BloodMeridian80 said:
Just answer it in the best way you can. You hit GA for 2 nights in 2 different cities, no? Clearly, answer the double GA.BF25394 said:
You're giving people way too much credit for being Machiavellian. I didn't answer the poll because multiple answers applied to me and I could only choose one option in the poll.SHZA said:
Not counting people who chose not to answer the poll so as not to undermine the system that helped themNewfieintheUSA said:
Thats literally 1/8 peopleNewfieintheUSA said:
It's 12%, and that percentage is extremely high for double GAmookieblalock said:LukinTimer said:darwinstheory said:
It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2
If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example:
Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows
LA 1
LA 2
Vegas 1
Vegas 2
Wrigley 1
Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results:
LA 1 - GA
LA 2 - GA
Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved
Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved
Wrigley 1 - GA
Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.
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Through Machiavellian machinations like not answering the damn pollNewfieintheUSA said:
No wonder you are so adamantly trying to defend this systemBF25394 said:
Actually, ten shows. 5 GA and 5 P1. For once, everything came up Milhouse.GlowGirl said:
So 8 shows - 4 GA and 4 P1 ? Congrats!!BF25394 said:
No, I hit GA for two nights in two cities and P1 for two nights in two other cities.BloodMeridian80 said:
Just answer it in the best way you can. You hit GA for 2 nights in 2 different cities, no? Clearly, answer the double GA.BF25394 said:
You're giving people way too much credit for being Machiavellian. I didn't answer the poll because multiple answers applied to me and I could only choose one option in the poll.SHZA said:
Not counting people who chose not to answer the poll so as not to undermine the system that helped themNewfieintheUSA said:
Thats literally 1/8 peopleNewfieintheUSA said:
It's 12%, and that percentage is extremely high for double GAmookieblalock said:LukinTimer said:darwinstheory said:
It's not just GA. If someone put it for GA/P1 seats to both shows for a US city EXCLUDING NYC (i.e. Vegas, LA, Chicago, Philly and Boston or Seattle) they were ALMOST positively given the same results for each show in the same city. It is city specific. This did not occur for those entering 1 Wrigley show and 1 Philly show, etc... This did not appear to occur in Vancouver, Likely due to TM Canada handling it rather than US TM.
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2
If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example:
Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows
LA 1
LA 2
Vegas 1
Vegas 2
Wrigley 1
Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results:
LA 1 - GA
LA 2 - GA
Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved
Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved
Wrigley 1 - GA
Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.
(Flinches in anticipation of blows raining down...)
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