Potential Ticketmaster Draw Issues
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on2legs said:NewfieintheUSA said:Lerxst1992 said:BF25394 said:Lerxst1992 said:on2legs said:BloodMeridian80 said:on2legs said:BloodMeridian80 said:on2legs said:darwinstheory said:mookieblalock said:LukinTimer said:darwinstheory said:
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2
If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example:
Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows
LA 1
LA 2
Vegas 1
Vegas 2
Wrigley 1
Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results:
LA 1 - GA
LA 2 - GA
Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved
Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved
Wrigley 1 - GA
Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.
But if there is a glitch like you're describing then this guy should not have pulled these seats.
You're drawing conclusions from an incomplete amount of data. It's all anecdotal. And you're dismissing the data that doesn't fit your conclusion...
Me: 1/5
Balt - denied
Philly 1 - denied
Philly 2 - denied
MSG 1- denied
MSG 2 - eligible for draw since I lost n1, won GA
Spouse, 4/4
Balt - P2
Philly 1 - P1
Philly 2 - P1
MSG 1- P1
Family, 2/3
Philly 1 - denied
Philly 2 - P1
MSG1 - P1
Family,2/2
Philly 1 - P1
Philly 2 - P1
…
the above is not anecdotal. I changed the names, it’s not me for sure, the first one is what we’d expect for such in demand cities, 1 for 4 (msg counts as one), but the one win is a huge one, msg GA. Notoriously difficult.
then the spouse goes four for four in the four toughest draws? which has to be a tiny fraction of one percent (assuming a 10-20% chance to win one NE Show)
then remaining two family members go four for five, which on its own is way under one percent. I left off their friend, who was one for two, not bad.
its very possible we are being toyed with, because to have all these under one percent hits in the same family… time to go to Vegas, baby.
(edit, there were many like this, but this was the big one)
I am changing my answer to @on2legs - that example of a family’s success is not anecdotal. It is verifiable, if they chose to share the evidence. I am not saying I want them to do that, just that it is provable .
Portland
Seattle n1
Seattle n2
MSG N2
Philly 1 GA
Philly 2 GA
Boston 1 GA
Boston 2 GA
I believe their only miss was Baltimore0 -
On FB a dude hit 10 shows....not sure of seating0
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Get_Right said:On FB a dude hit 10 shows....not sure of seating0
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Get_Right said:If you look hard enough you can find a pattern anywhere. Statistics are malleable. The data set of people posting here and on facebook is not representative of all members. Yes, the system could be improved to prevent some members getting 7 shows while others got shut out. A limit on the number of shows or requests might prevent those unfair results. And I agree that TM has has been less than reliable in the past. 10C ticketing has always had one issue or another, it is what it is. I have always had decent luck by picking what I think are tickets that have a lower demand, like P2 for MSG instead of GA.His eminence has yet to show.
http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=36520 -
PB11041 said:Get_Right said:If you look hard enough you can find a pattern anywhere. Statistics are malleable. The data set of people posting here and on facebook is not representative of all members. Yes, the system could be improved to prevent some members getting 7 shows while others got shut out. A limit on the number of shows or requests might prevent those unfair results. And I agree that TM has has been less than reliable in the past. 10C ticketing has always had one issue or another, it is what it is. I have always had decent luck by picking what I think are tickets that have a lower demand, like P2 for MSG instead of GA.0
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NewfieintheUSA said:PB11041 said:Get_Right said:If you look hard enough you can find a pattern anywhere. Statistics are malleable. The data set of people posting here and on facebook is not representative of all members. Yes, the system could be improved to prevent some members getting 7 shows while others got shut out. A limit on the number of shows or requests might prevent those unfair results. And I agree that TM has has been less than reliable in the past. 10C ticketing has always had one issue or another, it is what it is. I have always had decent luck by picking what I think are tickets that have a lower demand, like P2 for MSG instead of GA.His eminence has yet to show.
http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=36520 -
PB11041 said:NewfieintheUSA said:PB11041 said:Get_Right said:If you look hard enough you can find a pattern anywhere. Statistics are malleable. The data set of people posting here and on facebook is not representative of all members. Yes, the system could be improved to prevent some members getting 7 shows while others got shut out. A limit on the number of shows or requests might prevent those unfair results. And I agree that TM has has been less than reliable in the past. 10C ticketing has always had one issue or another, it is what it is. I have always had decent luck by picking what I think are tickets that have a lower demand, like P2 for MSG instead of GA.0
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I regret complaining so I have edited my post. Haha. Bigger issues in life, not sure why I lost my perspective.Post edited by scurtis on"Born on third, thinks he got a triple."0
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scurtis said:I applied for two nights in Vegas. As did my brother in law. We were going to go with the wives. It stung at first that he got both nights and I got nothing. But then it stung even more when I saw people getting like 6,9,10 shows; including both nights to Vegas.
I’m sure I can figure out how to get tickets another way. But 10C isn’t some small, grassroots fan club. It’s a big business that does (I am assuming) 100’s of millions of dollars in revenue every year. I don’t feel these outcomes are acceptable coming from a big business like this.0 -
PB11041 said:Get_Right said:If you look hard enough you can find a pattern anywhere. Statistics are malleable. The data set of people posting here and on facebook is not representative of all members. Yes, the system could be improved to prevent some members getting 7 shows while others got shut out. A limit on the number of shows or requests might prevent those unfair results. And I agree that TM has has been less than reliable in the past. 10C ticketing has always had one issue or another, it is what it is. I have always had decent luck by picking what I think are tickets that have a lower demand, like P2 for MSG instead of GA.0
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Been in the fan club almost 30 years and have never been completely shut out of a tour until now. Normally, this wouldn't bother me as I know and understand the high demand for a PJ tour and I've seen them plenty of times. However, when so many people got 4, 5, 6, shows and yet others got zero...the new system sucks. Ever since Ticketbastard has taken over this has been a mess. First the multiple redraws for last year's summer tour where most everyone who had tickets got moved further back in the arena with each draw, to the "PJ premium seats" that you have to take a second mortgage out on your home in order to buy, to now this. It makes me reconsider why I'm still paying membership dues.0
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NewfieintheUSA said:PB11041 said:NewfieintheUSA said:PB11041 said:Get_Right said:If you look hard enough you can find a pattern anywhere. Statistics are malleable. The data set of people posting here and on facebook is not representative of all members. Yes, the system could be improved to prevent some members getting 7 shows while others got shut out. A limit on the number of shows or requests might prevent those unfair results. And I agree that TM has has been less than reliable in the past. 10C ticketing has always had one issue or another, it is what it is. I have always had decent luck by picking what I think are tickets that have a lower demand, like P2 for MSG instead of GA.
1. Chicago 1 GA Standing
2. Boston 1 Res (there was no GA)
3. Boston 2 Res (there was no GA)
4. Chicago 2 Res
All I won was my 3rd Choice, and the demand was so high I went from A3 Turf 13 row to B3 Turf row 6
In 2016 the results were fairly similar although I put Philly above MSG because the latter was essentially a lark, maybe I'd win by some freak of luck.
1. Philly 4.29 GA
2. Philly 4.29 Res
3. MSG 5.2 GA
4. MSG 5.2 Res
I won choice 2, lost the others, maybe if I flipped 3 and 4 I stood a chance at MSG who knows. Either way the old system for big cities the draw basically a 25% shot, and that was going for the same 2 shows on all 4 picks. The old system was not some magic bullet people got shafted there too.
His eminence has yet to show.
http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=36520 -
For me personally, F2F makes not getting tickets in the lottery way more stressful. I don’t have the time or patience to sit in front of a computer and hope to get a F2F ticket. Bring back reselling. I know it’s not a popular opinion but with the secondary market I’m way more confident I can get into shows. I can pick and chose, be patient or just splurge if I have to. My time is more valuable honestly.0
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And F5 was a nightmare0
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PB11041 said:Get_Right said:If you look hard enough you can find a pattern anywhere. Statistics are malleable. The data set of people posting here and on facebook is not representative of all members. Yes, the system could be improved to prevent some members getting 7 shows while others got shut out. A limit on the number of shows or requests might prevent those unfair results. And I agree that TM has has been less than reliable in the past. 10C ticketing has always had one issue or another, it is what it is. I have always had decent luck by picking what I think are tickets that have a lower demand, like P2 for MSG instead of GA.
This happened time and again for Seattle, LA, Las Vegas, Chicago, Boston and Philly.
If you recieved GA for show 1 in any of those cities, you were nearly guaranteed to recieve GA for show 2 of that same city. If you recieved P1 for show 1 of any of those cities, you were nearly a lock to recieve P1 for show 2. In fact, I don't believe there were any reports of a person receiving GA for show 2 of a city after receiving P1 for the 1st show of that same city. 0. Something wasn't random about this drawing. I'm not saying it was on a huge scale like in 2023. I'm not asking for a redraw. I'm not suggesting that I must get, or deserve, GA for any show. But I'm not ignoring that something was clearly amiss with the seat assignments for ticket buyers in both shows of the same cities."A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory0 -
PB11041 said:NewfieintheUSA said:PB11041 said:NewfieintheUSA said:PB11041 said:Get_Right said:If you look hard enough you can find a pattern anywhere. Statistics are malleable. The data set of people posting here and on facebook is not representative of all members. Yes, the system could be improved to prevent some members getting 7 shows while others got shut out. A limit on the number of shows or requests might prevent those unfair results. And I agree that TM has has been less than reliable in the past. 10C ticketing has always had one issue or another, it is what it is. I have always had decent luck by picking what I think are tickets that have a lower demand, like P2 for MSG instead of GA.
1. Chicago 1 GA Standing
2. Boston 1 Res (there was no GA)
3. Boston 2 Res (there was no GA)
4. Chicago 2 Res
All I won was my 3rd Choice, and the demand was so high I went from A3 Turf 13 row to B3 Turf row 6
In 2016 the results were fairly similar although I put Philly above MSG because the latter was essentially a lark, maybe I'd win by some freak of luck.
1. Philly 4.29 GA
2. Philly 4.29 Res
3. MSG 5.2 GA
4. MSG 5.2 Res
I won choice 2, lost the others, maybe if I flipped 3 and 4 I stood a chance at MSG who knows. Either way the old system for big cities the draw basically a 25% shot, and that was going for the same 2 shows on all 4 picks. The old system was not some magic bullet people got shafted there too.
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darwinstheory said:If you recieved GA for show 1 in any of those cities, you were nearly guaranteed to recieve GA for show 2 of that same city. If you recieved P1 for show 1 of any of those cities, you were nearly a lock to recieve P1 for show 2. In fact, I don't believe there were any reports of a person receiving GA for show 2 of a city after receiving P1 for the 1st show of that same city. 0.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0
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darwinstheory said:PB11041 said:Get_Right said:If you look hard enough you can find a pattern anywhere. Statistics are malleable. The data set of people posting here and on facebook is not representative of all members. Yes, the system could be improved to prevent some members getting 7 shows while others got shut out. A limit on the number of shows or requests might prevent those unfair results. And I agree that TM has has been less than reliable in the past. 10C ticketing has always had one issue or another, it is what it is. I have always had decent luck by picking what I think are tickets that have a lower demand, like P2 for MSG instead of GA.
This happened time and again for Seattle, LA, Las Vegas, Chicago, Boston and Philly.
If you recieved GA for show 1 in any of those cities, you were nearly guaranteed to recieve GA for show 2 of that same city. If you recieved P1 for show 1 of any of those cities, you were nearly a lock to recieve P1 for show 2. In fact, I don't believe there were any reports of a person receiving GA for show 2 of a city after receiving P1 for the 1st show of that same city. 0. Something wasn't random about this drawing. I'm not saying it was on a huge scale like in 2023. I'm not asking for a redraw. I'm not suggesting that I must get, or deserve, GA for any show. But I'm not ignoring that something was clearly amiss with the seat assignments for ticket buyers in both shows of the same cities.
His eminence has yet to show.
http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=36520 -
scurtis said:I applied for two nights in Vegas. As did my brother in law. We were going to go with the wives. It stung at first that he got both nights and I got nothing. But then it stung even more when I saw people getting like 6,9,10 shows; including both nights to Vegas.
I’m sure I can figure out how to get tickets another way. But 10C isn’t some small, grassroots fan club. It’s a big business that does (I am assuming) 100’s of millions of dollars in revenue every year. I don’t feel these outcomes are acceptable coming from a big business like this.0 -
NewfieintheUSA said:on2legs said:NewfieintheUSA said:Lerxst1992 said:BF25394 said:Lerxst1992 said:on2legs said:BloodMeridian80 said:on2legs said:BloodMeridian80 said:on2legs said:darwinstheory said:mookieblalock said:LukinTimer said:darwinstheory said:
@mookieblalock - the pool already seems to be skewed due to people failing to read the information I was looking for. Or my inability to communicate it thoroughly. I was not iso feedback from those who entered a single show in Vegas and a show in Missoula. Strictly both shows of 1 city.
So, if selected for GA in LA 1, they also were nearly guaranteed GA night 2
If given P1 for Wrigley 1, they were also going to recieve P1 for Wrigley 2
Example:
Person A put in request for GA/P1 for 6 shows
LA 1
LA 2
Vegas 1
Vegas 2
Wrigley 1
Wrigley 2
What we are seeing as "random" results:
LA 1 - GA
LA 2 - GA
Vegas 1 - P1 Reserved
Vegas 2 - P1 Reserved
Wrigley 1 - GA
Wrigley 2 - GA
^^^^^^ This directly above. I have never seen this many doulbe GA, that are repeated. This seems off. Then, if looking around, you see a lot of people were also shut out of both shows for one city. Also, in very high numbers. It appears to be a new and weird pattern, specific to the recent draw.There’s a poll on the front page that doesn’t line up with any of your cherry picked anecdotal evidence. Something like 8% of people got double GA in the same city. 92% didn’t.
But if there is a glitch like you're describing then this guy should not have pulled these seats.
You're drawing conclusions from an incomplete amount of data. It's all anecdotal. And you're dismissing the data that doesn't fit your conclusion...
Me: 1/5
Balt - denied
Philly 1 - denied
Philly 2 - denied
MSG 1- denied
MSG 2 - eligible for draw since I lost n1, won GA
Spouse, 4/4
Balt - P2
Philly 1 - P1
Philly 2 - P1
MSG 1- P1
Family, 2/3
Philly 1 - denied
Philly 2 - P1
MSG1 - P1
Family,2/2
Philly 1 - P1
Philly 2 - P1
…
the above is not anecdotal. I changed the names, it’s not me for sure, the first one is what we’d expect for such in demand cities, 1 for 4 (msg counts as one), but the one win is a huge one, msg GA. Notoriously difficult.
then the spouse goes four for four in the four toughest draws? which has to be a tiny fraction of one percent (assuming a 10-20% chance to win one NE Show)
then remaining two family members go four for five, which on its own is way under one percent. I left off their friend, who was one for two, not bad.
its very possible we are being toyed with, because to have all these under one percent hits in the same family… time to go to Vegas, baby.
(edit, there were many like this, but this was the big one)
I am changing my answer to @on2legs - that example of a family’s success is not anecdotal. It is verifiable, if they chose to share the evidence. I am not saying I want them to do that, just that it is provable .
Portland
Seattle n1
Seattle n2
MSG N2
Philly 1 GA
Philly 2 GA
Boston 1 GA
Boston 2 GA
I believe their only miss was BaltimorePost edited by on2legs on1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park 2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2025: Raleigh0
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