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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,472
    ComeToTX said:
    I paid $263 for a Neil Young ticket yesterday. PJ is not out of line with what their peers are charging. 
    Yikes. What type of ticket?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • HailHailVitalogy
    HailHailVitalogy Posts: 6,013
    Guys, they’re only playing 35 shows as a “world tour” that’s why prices are high. Green Day and Foo are charging less but they’re also playing A LOT more shows. If we got a 2006 type tour pretty sure prices would be lower.
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  • JackD.
    JackD. Posts: 523
    UseUrIllusions said:
    JackD. said:
    UseUrIllusions said:
    JackD. said:
    Gravey1975 said:
    CornishMan said:
    I've read everything over and over and I'm still a bit confused about when seniority kicks in if you selected a ticket option that could be standing OR seated such as London & Manchester.

    Obviously it is a lottery just to get into the building.  But.... assuming you win that lottery does it mean that members with the lowest 10C numbers will be automatically allocated standing, while the higher 10C numbers will be seated?

    OR, is it totally random whether you get allocated seated or standing? (With your 10C number then determining how good your seats are if you're given seats).
    That my friend is definitely not clear. And I don't think anybody really knows. My guess would be that it'll only kick in for seat allocation. But that's just a guess.
    I had the same confusion but tried to explain it to myself with sense:

    Senority doesn‘t play a role in the lottery. You win or lose depending on availability not senority.

    If you won and chose „GA or Seating“ they would start giving away GA. Why? Cause it would be implausible to give away Seating if others chose only that and GA is still available. If GA is gone, people who chose „GA or Seating“ or „Only Seating“ are in the same ballot and get seats by senority once they won.

    So: Draw for „GA or Seating“ > give all the winners GA > Put losers in the ballot with „Only Seating“ > draw again > give winners seats by senority
    I doubt they would do two draws. If you’re selected they will give u what’s available based on your selection. Pretty simple. After that they send it over to the ten club that determine where your seats will be.
    Well they have to. If you have 1000 tickets and 2000 ticket applications, you can‘t draw 1000 because you don‘t know if under those 1000 are „enough“ to meet your supply for GA. Those 1000 could hypothetically all want seats. A demand you couldn‘t supply as part of your tickets are GA.

    You have to give away GA first, therefore draw twice.
    sorry I beg to differ. Makes no sense to draw twice. 2000 applications, 1000 GA/Seats and 1000 seats applied, 200 GA available and 1800 seats. Entry 1 picked GA, system checks to see if GA is available, if not it picks the seat option. It’s a one draw system. It goes down the list picking entries and assigning what available. The system knows what u want and what is available and will assign accordingly.

    Two draws implies your name can be pulled twice, which is actually unfair. If I’m pulled and there are seats available I will get one and don’t need to be entered into another draw.
    Yeah sure, technically it works that way. Pulled twice is not what I described. The important part is, that you assign GA first.
  • Tjm007
    Tjm007 Posts: 189
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    ComeToTX said:
    I paid $263 for a Neil Young ticket yesterday. PJ is not out of line with what their peers are charging. 
    Yikes. What type of ticket?
    I'd be wanting to take his niece out after the show for that money.
  • romannosaint
    romannosaint KY10 2BG Posts: 5
    edited February 2024
    Merkin Baller said:
    romannosaint said:
    Tom Petty set an example 




    He's also been dead for 7 years and things have changed since he made this statement. 
    You are absolutely correct! Artists have become greedier 
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    Cobain never got to grow up or grow old. Nor did he have to watch the world change around him. Take his opinions on these things with many grains of salt. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,472
    edited February 2024
    Is the reason for not having "only GA" this time around, them (tenclub) having so few GA tickets in the house available that they just want to make it easy and instead of have a bunch of people go for GA and nothing else, they force them into seat-tickets?

    Or what is the reason for it?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • il vecchio
    il vecchio Posts: 143
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Is the reason for not having "only GA" this time around, them having so few GA tickets in the house available that they just want to make it easy and instead of have a bunch of people go for GA and nothing else, they force them into seat-tickets?

    Or what is the reason for it?
    whatever is the reason, i think it's really bad and even worse is the lack of early entry safety for 10c members
  • hadrielia
    hadrielia Posts: 126
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Is the reason for not having "only GA" this time around, them (tenclub) having so few GA tickets in the house available that they just want to make it easy and instead of have a bunch of people go for GA and nothing else, they force them into seat-tickets?

    Or what is the reason for it?

    I would say to sell really bad seats for a really good price that no one would pay in general sale
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  • Tjm007
    Tjm007 Posts: 189
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Is the reason for not having "only GA" this time around, them (tenclub) having so few GA tickets in the house available that they just want to make it easy and instead of have a bunch of people go for GA and nothing else, they force them into seat-tickets?

    Or what is the reason for it?
    TM want to sell as many GC tickets as possible on secondary sites (that they own).


  • UseUrIllusions
    UseUrIllusions Posts: 547
    edited February 2024
    How does 10C match your ticketmaster to your 10C number? I have two ticketmaster accounts and outside of my name nothing matches my 10 Club account. I can only assume that the link provided to ticketmaster via our 10 club profile is the key?
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  • JBob87
    JBob87 Posts: 485
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Is the reason for not having "only GA" this time around, them having so few GA tickets in the house available that they just want to make it easy and instead of have a bunch of people go for GA and nothing else, they force them into seat-tickets?

    Or what is the reason for it?
    Almost certainly yes.

    TM WANTS to sell the worst seats to the most rabid fans. With the hope that they will then desperately upgrade to a PJ Premium ticket (aka more money for TM) and dump their original ticket. In markets with open resale, 10c nosebleeds were often selling for below face…as I sA with the Chicago shows (MSG is a lone and obvious exception). The rabid fan then becomes the “bag holder”, taking the loss, but it’s spread out over a few transactions and a few CC bills so it is less painful and noticeable. Alternative would be for TM to sell the nosebleeds at “market value” aka what the secondary market will bear, but under this system they sell it for full freight and the rabid fan takes the loss. 

    TM wanting to unload the worst seats early to the biggest fans at full price is the reason why there is no GA only option. It’s the only thing that makes any kind of sense. 

    Entire situation is a farce. Elimination of priority probably the final straw for me. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,472
    edited February 2024



    It says that "GA (pista) is extremly limited" in Barcelona, but the whole floor will be GA!

    What happened to the person who usually deals with this for Tenclub? Remember in 2007 when the whole floor at Wembley were only fanclub?

    Any info on this @Rubysdad ?
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,472
    edited February 2024
    At least Wahlbuhne in Berlin  is a "beautiful" arena where sitting up on the benches looking at the sky and trees with a beer has its charm...
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Tjm007
    Tjm007 Posts: 189
    JBob87 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Is the reason for not having "only GA" this time around, them having so few GA tickets in the house available that they just want to make it easy and instead of have a bunch of people go for GA and nothing else, they force them into seat-tickets?

    Or what is the reason for it?
    Almost certainly yes.

    TM WANTS to sell the worst seats to the most rabid fans. With the hope that they will then desperately upgrade to a PJ Premium ticket (aka more money for TM) and dump their original ticket. In markets with open resale, 10c nosebleeds were often selling for below face…as I sA with the Chicago shows (MSG is a lone and obvious exception). The rabid fan then becomes the “bag holder”, taking the loss, but it’s spread out over a few transactions and a few CC bills so it is less painful and noticeable. Alternative would be for TM to sell the nosebleeds at “market value” aka what the secondary market will bear, but under this system they sell it for full freight and the rabid fan takes the loss. 

    TM wanting to unload the worst seats early to the biggest fans at full price is the reason why there is no GA only option. It’s the only thing that makes any kind of sense. 

    Entire situation is a farce. Elimination of priority probably the final straw for me. 

    You nailed it.
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,787
    romannosaint said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    romannosaint said:
    Tom Petty set an example 




    He's also been dead for 7 years and things have changed since he made this statement. 
    You are absolutely correct! Artists have become greedier 
    lol
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,064
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    ComeToTX said:
    I paid $263 for a Neil Young ticket yesterday. PJ is not out of line with what their peers are charging. 
    Yikes. What type of ticket?
    Pit but those were cheaper than the first section behind it. 
    This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,126
    Merkin Baller said:
    Get_Right said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Jim Tressel said:
    Maybe the tickets went up so much is because the band really really likes money like most of us? There is nothing wrong with it. Some people seems to bend over backwards coming up with other reasons why prices are so high. Inflation and others reasons play a role, but if they can charge it, they might as well maximize revenue. 
    Why not all of the above?

    OF course, they want to maximize their revenue and provide for their families... and they're getting older and want to play fewer shows... and they're running a business w/ employees to support... and it's expensive AF to tour post covid... I don't think it comes down to one single factor. 

    It is a post COVID TM business model. They want to capture the secondary market and maximize revenue from every seat. If someone is willing to pay $400 on stubhub shouldn't the band get some of that revenue? Of course it is TM that wants that revenue and they share it with the artist. That is what is happening and that is why ticket prices are so much higher. That is why you see $800 seats on TM after the "public onsale." Those seats are not released to the public at face value. They (PJ Premium) are priced high to determine the market price and TM shares the proceeds with the artist. That is the value proposition and it is hard for the artist to say no. Companies like stubhub make millions and none of that goes to the artist. And of course, TM wants that revenue. It is not about inflation or the cost of touring IMHO.
    Agreed... I forgot to include the resale market angle - things were trending this way before COVID... IIRC Taylor Swift and other acts were buying face value tickets to their own concerts and reselling them for a greater profit well before the whole Premium ticket existed. 

    Is that shady? Idk... If those seats are worth way more than what they were being sold at face value, why shouldn't the artist and other people putting on the show get that revenue as opposed to some guy sitting in his basement doing nothing but buying and selling tickets on his computer? Granted, I don't think Ticketmaster needs the money, but again... if the tickets are worth the premium price, it should be going to the people putting on the show as opposed to an entity completely unrelated to the event. 

    The growth and revenue behind the resale market is as much responsible for these high prices as anything else, and that sucks for those of us who can't / won't / don't want to spend $200 a ticket, because there's no shortage of people who do. 

    If PJ cared enough, maybe they could go another route and take extra steps to prevent resale and keep the ticket cost low, but OTOH it's a business for them too; and / or maybe they don't care as much as they used to and can't be bothered. 

    I would guess if the resale market was small potatoes they would not care.  But it's big money.  People have been trying to stop the resale market for decades and resellers keep finding away around the controls.  For better or worse, it is now market based pricing. When you think about it, $175 is probably below market for a show like MSG.
  • YourDirtisMyfood
    YourDirtisMyfood Boston Posts: 4,668
    So $140 for ticket and $35 for fees, etc? Is that what it possibly breaks down to?
  • YourDirtisMyfood
    YourDirtisMyfood Boston Posts: 4,668
    Also, do they play Saturday night Live now to promote their upcoming album?

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