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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,524
    mrussel1 said:
    So the person didn't lose their liberty.  Let's be clear.  They could get a different job.  I'm not saying it's convenient, but there are actual choices to be had.

    To this day, if you try to get bonded to work in a financial services job, the FDIC requires seven panel drug testing including THC.  This is true even if you live in a state of legalized medical or recreational marijuana.  Is that liberty?  Is that any different than being required to get a Covid vaccine or a Measles vaccine.  

    Governments and private companies putting requirements on people is not new or unique.  But suddenly every crazy person on the right suddenly forgot how many things they already complied with or continue to comply with to keep their income or use gov't resources (like public schools).   
    ''They could get a different job''..nice solution..
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,524
    AW124797 said:
    Oh, sure. Prevented millions of deaths, billions of hospitalizations, but couldn't stop covid transmission. 
    Another big lie..''protect the elders''..lol
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,524
    I know. I was one of them. I get the argument he is making. But it wasn't LITERALLY forced. there was still a choice. a shit choice? yeah, but a choice nonetheless. 
    What was your choice Huge if you don't get it??
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,524
    mrussel1 said:
    Suffer for the rest of their lives?  Who are we talking about here?  The ones I have seen appear to be hoaxes, like that woman acting like a chicken on Twitter.  Do you personally know anyone suffering debilitating side effects that are going to be life long?
    Same on you..people suffering out there..if you don't know anyone that dosent mean NOTHING..
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,524
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,524
    And because i see the word ''antivaxxers'' very offen here..the right one is, ''antiliar''..
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,336
    23scidoo said:
    What was your choice Huge if you don't get it??
    lose my job. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,426
    lose my job. 

    and one you considered leaving for other reasons too, right?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,301
    23scidoo said:
    Again, really now??..your government didn't force you to get the vaccine??..
    you forgot the vaccine passwords and all those shits??..short memory..
    No, mind didn't.  Evidently yours did.  How bad was your reaction?  Are you disabled from it?
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,336
    mickeyrat said:

    and one you considered leaving for other reasons too, right?
    not sure how that's relevant, but yes. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,336
    23scidoo said:
    Same on you..people suffering out there..if you don't know anyone that dosent mean NOTHING..
    the point he's making is how do you know any of these videos are real? these videos remind me of those evangelical leaders that "cure" people and "cast the devil out of them", making them dance the funky chicken in the process. it's all bullshit.

    there is no documented scientific proof that any of this is real. are vaccine injuries real? 100%. this is known factual science. do any vaccines cause the types of injuries that are shown in these videos? there is literally no peer viewed scientific data to support it that I've seen. 
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,945
    23scidoo said:
    Another big lie..''protect the elders''..lol


    Do you have proof its a lie? Please share. 
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,389
    AW124797 said:
    Oh, sure. Prevented millions of deaths, billions of hospitalizations, but couldn't stop covid transmission
    I've always been unsure of what transmission means. It could mean:
    1. DIRECT: If I have/carry covid and am vaxxed that my vax can stop transmission. I assume it cannot.
    2. INDIRECT: If we're all/mostly vaxxed transmission is going to slow down (no, not stop) because fewer of us will have it in the first place.
    I've assumed that when the "big news" hit that it doesn't stop/reduce transmission, it was about the Direct (#1). But if we were all vaxed, I'd think #2 would be key.  I'd suspect the vax requirement at the New Jersey festival in 2021 probably reduced my likelihood of getting covid. Not because the vax actually stops transmission directly but because very few people there had covid due to the vax? 

    I hope this makes sense...
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,524
    lose my job. 
    So, blackmail..
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,524


    Do you have proof its a lie? Please share. 
    since it has been proven that even if you vaccinate you transmit the virus..are you living in another universe??..
    and now think..how many vaccinate people get the virus with mild symptoms, they didn't know they had the virus and spread it??..
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,524
    the point he's making is how do you know any of these videos are real? these videos remind me of those evangelical leaders that "cure" people and "cast the devil out of them", making them dance the funky chicken in the process. it's all bullshit.

    there is no documented scientific proof that any of this is real. are vaccine injuries real? 100%. this is known factual science. do any vaccines cause the types of injuries that are shown in these videos? there is literally no peer viewed scientific data to support it that I've seen. 
    My point is not defending those videos..my point is, there is a real problem out there..people suffer, some serious, some not..
    it's not right to make general fun with those things..
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,524
    mrussel1 said:
    No, mind didn't.  Evidently yours did.  How bad was your reaction?  Are you disabled from it?
    Don't trust our governments years now..didn't wait the virus thing to loose my trust to them..
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,301
    23scidoo said:
    Don't trust our governments years now..didn't wait the virus thing to loose my trust to them..
    You didn't answer the question.  Did your govt force you to get the vaccine? If so,  describe your debilitating reaction. 
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,034
    edited May 2023

    If the negative side effects of the vaccine were as widespread as some people believe, we would all know a lot more people suffering from them. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,336
    23scidoo said:
    since it has been proven that even if you vaccinate you transmit the virus..are you living in another universe??..
    and now think..how many vaccinate people get the virus with mild symptoms, they didn't know they had the virus and spread it??..
    first, you chastise people all the time here for being what you perceive as "nasty" or even sarcastic. 

    second, I'm not sure how many times this has to be explained:

    -the vaccine will often mitigate symptoms
    -if you aren't symptomatic, you are less likely to spread it. 

    you understand that sneezing as opposed to just plain breathing tends to be worse for spreading viruses, don't you?
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,034
    first, you chastise people all the time here for being what you perceive as "nasty" or even sarcastic. 

    second, I'm not sure how many times this has to be explained:

    -the vaccine will often mitigate symptoms
    -if you aren't symptomatic, you are less likely to spread it. 

    you understand that sneezing as opposed to just plain breathing tends to be worse for spreading viruses, don't you?
    Even if it didn't mitigate transmission, the reduction in hospitalizations and deaths alone due to the vaccine are a net gain, but for some reason that doesn't seem to register. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,336
    he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,336
    23scidoo said:
    So, blackmail..
    that's not blackmail. 
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,524
    that's not blackmail. 
    What was it??
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,524
    mrussel1 said:
    You didn't answer the question.  Did your govt force you to get the vaccine? If so,  describe your debilitating reaction. 
    Of course they force me..if we want to get out for ten minutes during the lockdowns we have to send text to the state and take the permission to go out for shopping or anything..if we want to travel we need vaccine passports..they call it the pandemic of the unvaccinated but it was otherwise..
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,524
    first, you chastise people all the time here for being what you perceive as "nasty" or even sarcastic. 

    second, I'm not sure how many times this has to be explained:

    -the vaccine will often mitigate symptoms
    -if you aren't symptomatic, you are less likely to spread it. 

    you understand that sneezing as opposed to just plain breathing tends to be worse for spreading viruses, don't you?
    My character is me..my behavior is you..
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,524
    he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told. 
    I care but..
    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,524
    he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told. 
    But also..
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/health/brits-dying-tens-thousands-dont-29955386
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,524
    edited May 2023
    Post edited by 23scidoo on
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,524
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