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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    GWB, of course. he was born there. 
    But how are his parties?
    I don't know
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,292
    GWB, of course. he was born there. 
    But how are his parties?
    I don't know
    What?
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    GWB, of course. he was born there. 
    But how are his parties?
    I don't know
    What?
    Whats on second.

    You ruined it... I don't Know is on third!!!
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,292
    GWB, of course. he was born there. 
    But how are his parties?
    I don't know
    What?
    Whats on second.

    You ruined it... I don't Know is on third!!!
    Who’s on third?
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,194
    GWB, of course. he was born there. 
    But how are his parties?
    I don't know
    What?
    They're OK but like sugar, the guests are so refined.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    GWB, of course. he was born there. 
    But how are his parties?
    I don't know
    What?
    Whats on second.

    You ruined it... I don't Know is on third!!!
    Who’s on third?
    NO! Who's on first,  What's on second...
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,274
    WHAT IS IT?  WHO IS IT?  WHERE IS IT?

    "Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!"
    -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,292
    GWB, of course. he was born there. 
    But how are his parties?
    I don't know
    What?
    Whats on second.

    You ruined it... I don't Know is on third!!!
    Who’s on third?
    NO! Who's on first,  What's on second...
    I’m asking you!
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  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 6,705
    So I tell my sister one of my best friends has a malignant tumor on his liver and she says: f****** covid vaccine. 

    I told her it's really, really hard to deal with that level of stupidity, as she puffs on a cigarette, but I somehow reined it in and was able to continue a conversation and have visit with her.

    Insert the pulling out my hair emoji.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,187
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,274
    Well, although I'll write about my 2024 vaccine experience, this is more about the various types of vaccines available.
    Last year, I had the Moderna and, as I mentioned previously, it did not go well. I was very sick for four days, moderately sick for a few weeks, and felt crumby for months.
    But this year I went with the Novavax.  My reasoning was based on what I had hear from a few people in the medical profession, as well as my own research.  What I found was that there are vaccines known as mRNA (Moderna and Pfizer), and a non-mNRA vaccination (Novavax).  An mRNA vaccination basically teaches our cells how to make a protein that triggers an immune response.  A non-mRNA (the more traditional type of vaccination) puts a weakened or inactive germ into our bodies.
    What I heard from the doctors was that they believed that alternating between the mRNA and non-mRNA each year very possible produces a more broad spectrum of immune response.  I was also told that most of the vaccinations this year cause fewer or reduced side affects.
    I had all but decided to pass on a vaccination this year, but after learning what I did, I gave the Novavax a go.  It's been 26 hours since the injection and thus far I'm doing OK, mostly just a bit fatigued and mildly "puny" (my wife's word, lol), which is much better than I'd expected.  In other words, "so far, so good."  Glad to have it over with!
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,187
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    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,794
    brianlux said:
    Well, although I'll write about my 2024 vaccine experience, this is more about the various types of vaccines available.
    Last year, I had the Moderna and, as I mentioned previously, it did not go well. I was very sick for four days, moderately sick for a few weeks, and felt crumby for months.
    But this year I went with the Novavax.  My reasoning was based on what I had hear from a few people in the medical profession, as well as my own research.  What I found was that there are vaccines known as mRNA (Moderna and Pfizer), and a non-mNRA vaccination (Novavax).  An mRNA vaccination basically teaches our cells how to make a protein that triggers an immune response.  A non-mRNA (the more traditional type of vaccination) puts a weakened or inactive germ into our bodies.
    What I heard from the doctors was that they believed that alternating between the mRNA and non-mRNA each year very possible produces a more broad spectrum of immune response.  I was also told that most of the vaccinations this year cause fewer or reduced side affects.
    I had all but decided to pass on a vaccination this year, but after learning what I did, I gave the Novavax a go.  It's been 26 hours since the injection and thus far I'm doing OK, mostly just a bit fatigued and mildly "puny" (my wife's word, lol), which is much better than I'd expected.  In other words, "so far, so good."  Glad to have it over with!
    Good news and good info Brian. Thanks.  Hope you continue to feel okay.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,187

    would make my job easier for sure
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,274
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    Well, although I'll write about my 2024 vaccine experience, this is more about the various types of vaccines available.
    Last year, I had the Moderna and, as I mentioned previously, it did not go well. I was very sick for four days, moderately sick for a few weeks, and felt crumby for months.
    But this year I went with the Novavax.  My reasoning was based on what I had hear from a few people in the medical profession, as well as my own research.  What I found was that there are vaccines known as mRNA (Moderna and Pfizer), and a non-mNRA vaccination (Novavax).  An mRNA vaccination basically teaches our cells how to make a protein that triggers an immune response.  A non-mRNA (the more traditional type of vaccination) puts a weakened or inactive germ into our bodies.
    What I heard from the doctors was that they believed that alternating between the mRNA and non-mRNA each year very possible produces a more broad spectrum of immune response.  I was also told that most of the vaccinations this year cause fewer or reduced side affects.
    I had all but decided to pass on a vaccination this year, but after learning what I did, I gave the Novavax a go.  It's been 26 hours since the injection and thus far I'm doing OK, mostly just a bit fatigued and mildly "puny" (my wife's word, lol), which is much better than I'd expected.  In other words, "so far, so good."  Glad to have it over with!
    Good news and good info Brian. Thanks.  Hope you continue to feel okay.

    Thanks, man!  Doing OK today, hooray!
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  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,619
    This is dumb reductio ad absurdum logic. Why would anyone do that when they could just take basic health precautions and live their lives? Especially since we are talking about precautions that people were taking at the outset of a pandemic involving a novel virus at a time when there was no vaccine yet and no therapeutics.

    There are a lot of people out there who are alive today because of precautions taken by other people that indirectly protected them, and the former group will never be able to recognize it because they have subjugated their common sense and basic scientific understanding to their  cultural or political allegiances.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,274
    BF25394 said:
    This is dumb reductio ad absurdum logic. Why would anyone do that when they could just take basic health precautions and live their lives? Especially since we are talking about precautions that people were taking at the outset of a pandemic involving a novel virus at a time when there was no vaccine yet and no therapeutics.

    There are a lot of people out there who are alive today because of precautions taken by other people that indirectly protected them, and the former group will never be able to recognize it because they have subjugated their common sense and basic scientific understanding to their  cultural or political allegiances.

    This reminds me of something very encouraging I heard when I got my vaccination on Friday. 
    I should preface this by saying that even though I live in what is typically thought of as ultra-liberal California, the fact is both my county (El Dorado) and town Placerville) are strongly conservative, and there was a lot of anti-vax sentiment in our area at the beginning of the pandemic.
    Fast forward to last Friday:  I'm talking to the lady who is about to give me the vaccination.  We're talking about how things have improved and she says, "Yes, when all this began, we weren't giving as many injections because a lot of people didn't believe in the vaccines.  But now, and especially this year, we are very busy.  The number of vaccines being given has increased quite a bit."
    So there it is.  If the anti-vax sentiment is lessening in an area like the one I live in, then I'm guessing the same is true all over.  I was very much encouraged by that nice lady's words!
    "Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!"
    -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"

    "Try to not spook the horse."
    -Neil Young













  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,025
    BF25394 said:
    This is dumb reductio ad absurdum logic. Why would anyone do that when they could just take basic health precautions and live their lives? Especially since we are talking about precautions that people were taking at the outset of a pandemic involving a novel virus at a time when there was no vaccine yet and no therapeutics.

    There are a lot of people out there who are alive today because of precautions taken by other people that indirectly protected them, and the former group will never be able to recognize it because they have subjugated their common sense and basic scientific understanding to their  cultural or political allegiances.
    I was fine with social distancing and masking for the COVID19 virus as it was unknown.   The article/post was referring to how masking/social distancing got rid of a strain of the flu.   My point with my comment was that, sure, we could get rid of a strain of the flu by shutting down society.  We could hang out in our basement/house.  That's a choice.    But I don't think humans are here to sit behind a computer screen and only go out to get food and exercise.  So, I am going to travel.  I'm going to go to concerts.  I'm going to go to the office and have meetings with coworkers in person.   I'm sure it sounds selfish.  Billions and billions of people have been on this earth and died.  Another 8 billion will too.   But I'm not going to sit at home, get takeout from a restaurant, never see live music again, etc.... in order to delay the inevitable.  


  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,168
    BF25394 said:
    This is dumb reductio ad absurdum logic. Why would anyone do that when they could just take basic health precautions and live their lives? Especially since we are talking about precautions that people were taking at the outset of a pandemic involving a novel virus at a time when there was no vaccine yet and no therapeutics.

    There are a lot of people out there who are alive today because of precautions taken by other people that indirectly protected them, and the former group will never be able to recognize it because they have subjugated their common sense and basic scientific understanding to their  cultural or political allegiances.
    I was fine with social distancing and masking for the COVID19 virus as it was unknown.   The article/post was referring to how masking/social distancing got rid of a strain of the flu.   My point with my comment was that, sure, we could get rid of a strain of the flu by shutting down society.  We could hang out in our basement/house.  That's a choice.    But I don't think humans are here to sit behind a computer screen and only go out to get food and exercise.  So, I am going to travel.  I'm going to go to concerts.  I'm going to go to the office and have meetings with coworkers in person.   I'm sure it sounds selfish.  Billions and billions of people have been on this earth and died.  Another 8 billion will too.   But I'm not going to sit at home, get takeout from a restaurant, never see live music again, etc.... in order to delay the inevitable.  


    You do you. These days I’d estimate 5-10% of people in crowds wear masks in those scenarios. My sister is one of them - she wears a mask in public and her annual winter sickness is no more. A friend is an asthmatic musician with severe allergies who is beyond grateful for masks, since he can make it through a show without a puffer or allergic reaction to something in the air. These are not “basement dwellers”, they’re real people whose lives are better because of this. 
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  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,294
    brianlux said:
    Well, although I'll write about my 2024 vaccine experience, this is more about the various types of vaccines available.
    Last year, I had the Moderna and, as I mentioned previously, it did not go well. I was very sick for four days, moderately sick for a few weeks, and felt crumby for months.
    But this year I went with the Novavax.  My reasoning was based on what I had hear from a few people in the medical profession, as well as my own research.  What I found was that there are vaccines known as mRNA (Moderna and Pfizer), and a non-mNRA vaccination (Novavax).  An mRNA vaccination basically teaches our cells how to make a protein that triggers an immune response.  A non-mRNA (the more traditional type of vaccination) puts a weakened or inactive germ into our bodies.
    What I heard from the doctors was that they believed that alternating between the mRNA and non-mRNA each year very possible produces a more broad spectrum of immune response.  I was also told that most of the vaccinations this year cause fewer or reduced side affects.
    I had all but decided to pass on a vaccination this year, but after learning what I did, I gave the Novavax a go.  It's been 26 hours since the injection and thus far I'm doing OK, mostly just a bit fatigued and mildly "puny" (my wife's word, lol), which is much better than I'd expected.  In other words, "so far, so good."  Glad to have it over with!
    Glad to hear this go-round has treated you much better, Brian.
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,025
    benjs said:
    BF25394 said:
    This is dumb reductio ad absurdum logic. Why would anyone do that when they could just take basic health precautions and live their lives? Especially since we are talking about precautions that people were taking at the outset of a pandemic involving a novel virus at a time when there was no vaccine yet and no therapeutics.

    There are a lot of people out there who are alive today because of precautions taken by other people that indirectly protected them, and the former group will never be able to recognize it because they have subjugated their common sense and basic scientific understanding to their  cultural or political allegiances.
    I was fine with social distancing and masking for the COVID19 virus as it was unknown.   The article/post was referring to how masking/social distancing got rid of a strain of the flu.   My point with my comment was that, sure, we could get rid of a strain of the flu by shutting down society.  We could hang out in our basement/house.  That's a choice.    But I don't think humans are here to sit behind a computer screen and only go out to get food and exercise.  So, I am going to travel.  I'm going to go to concerts.  I'm going to go to the office and have meetings with coworkers in person.   I'm sure it sounds selfish.  Billions and billions of people have been on this earth and died.  Another 8 billion will too.   But I'm not going to sit at home, get takeout from a restaurant, never see live music again, etc.... in order to delay the inevitable.  


    You do you. These days I’d estimate 5-10% of people in crowds wear masks in those scenarios. My sister is one of them - she wears a mask in public and her annual winter sickness is no more. A friend is an asthmatic musician with severe allergies who is beyond grateful for masks, since he can make it through a show without a puffer or allergic reaction to something in the air. These are not “basement dwellers”, they’re real people whose lives are better because of this. 
    Yep.  That's good.   Vast majority of population get the flu and it is mild to 3-4 days of not feeling well.  I'm not going to wear a mask to avoid not feeling well for a few days.   Now, if the flu hit me hard, or I had other medical issues, then I may take a different approach.  But don't expect the vast majority of society to wear masks for the flu.  
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    mickeyrat said:
    I would add a few other factors like social distancing and people actually washed their hands and there were no gatherings of large crowds.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,274
    FiveBelow said:
    brianlux said:
    Well, although I'll write about my 2024 vaccine experience, this is more about the various types of vaccines available.
    Last year, I had the Moderna and, as I mentioned previously, it did not go well. I was very sick for four days, moderately sick for a few weeks, and felt crumby for months.
    But this year I went with the Novavax.  My reasoning was based on what I had hear from a few people in the medical profession, as well as my own research.  What I found was that there are vaccines known as mRNA (Moderna and Pfizer), and a non-mNRA vaccination (Novavax).  An mRNA vaccination basically teaches our cells how to make a protein that triggers an immune response.  A non-mRNA (the more traditional type of vaccination) puts a weakened or inactive germ into our bodies.
    What I heard from the doctors was that they believed that alternating between the mRNA and non-mRNA each year very possible produces a more broad spectrum of immune response.  I was also told that most of the vaccinations this year cause fewer or reduced side affects.
    I had all but decided to pass on a vaccination this year, but after learning what I did, I gave the Novavax a go.  It's been 26 hours since the injection and thus far I'm doing OK, mostly just a bit fatigued and mildly "puny" (my wife's word, lol), which is much better than I'd expected.  In other words, "so far, so good."  Glad to have it over with!
    Glad to hear this go-round has treated you much better, Brian.

    Thank you, Five.  Yes, much, much better this time!  :plus_one:
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    -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"

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  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,619
    benjs said:
    BF25394 said:
    This is dumb reductio ad absurdum logic. Why would anyone do that when they could just take basic health precautions and live their lives? Especially since we are talking about precautions that people were taking at the outset of a pandemic involving a novel virus at a time when there was no vaccine yet and no therapeutics.

    There are a lot of people out there who are alive today because of precautions taken by other people that indirectly protected them, and the former group will never be able to recognize it because they have subjugated their common sense and basic scientific understanding to their  cultural or political allegiances.
    I was fine with social distancing and masking for the COVID19 virus as it was unknown.   The article/post was referring to how masking/social distancing got rid of a strain of the flu.   My point with my comment was that, sure, we could get rid of a strain of the flu by shutting down society.  We could hang out in our basement/house.  That's a choice.    But I don't think humans are here to sit behind a computer screen and only go out to get food and exercise.  So, I am going to travel.  I'm going to go to concerts.  I'm going to go to the office and have meetings with coworkers in person.   I'm sure it sounds selfish.  Billions and billions of people have been on this earth and died.  Another 8 billion will too.   But I'm not going to sit at home, get takeout from a restaurant, never see live music again, etc.... in order to delay the inevitable.  


    You do you. These days I’d estimate 5-10% of people in crowds wear masks in those scenarios. My sister is one of them - she wears a mask in public and her annual winter sickness is no more. A friend is an asthmatic musician with severe allergies who is beyond grateful for masks, since he can make it through a show without a puffer or allergic reaction to something in the air. These are not “basement dwellers”, they’re real people whose lives are better because of this. 
    Yep.  That's good.   Vast majority of population get the flu and it is mild to 3-4 days of not feeling well.  I'm not going to wear a mask to avoid not feeling well for a few days.   Now, if the flu hit me hard, or I had other medical issues, then I may take a different approach.  But don't expect the vast majority of society to wear masks for the flu.  
    In 2024, I would not wear a mask to protect against the flu. I was definitely referring to the first couple of years of the COVID era. At a certain point, I only wore a mask in a high-risk environment (including at seven Pearl Jam shows in May 2022 where people were reporting left and right that they were getting COVID, and where two band members ended up getting COVID, almost certainly from people in the audience).

    The uptake on the flu vaccine is about 50 percent. The vast majority of people may get the flu at some point in their lives, but not in any given year. For what it's worth, I have gotten the flu vaccine every year since 1993 and I have never gotten the flu in that time period.
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  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,619
    bootlegger10 said:
    I was fine with social distancing and masking for the COVID19 virus as it was unknown.   The article/post was referring to how masking/social distancing got rid of a strain of the flu.   My point with my comment was that, sure, we could get rid of a strain of the flu by shutting down society.  We could hang out in our basement/house.  That's a choice.    But I don't think humans are here to sit behind a computer screen and only go out to get food and exercise.  So, I am going to travel.  I'm going to go to concerts.  I'm going to go to the office and have meetings with coworkers in person.   I'm sure it sounds selfish.  Billions and billions of people have been on this earth and died.  Another 8 billion will too.   But I'm not going to sit at home, get takeout from a restaurant, never see live music again, etc.... in order to delay the inevitable.  


    By the way, hanging out in your house only works if you live alone. The reason why cold and flu spike in winter is that people spend more time indoors with their filthy germ-spreading friends and family. That's why I stopped having friends, at least the ones that my personality hadn't driven away...
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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 14,122
    BF25394 said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    I was fine with social distancing and masking for the COVID19 virus as it was unknown.   The article/post was referring to how masking/social distancing got rid of a strain of the flu.   My point with my comment was that, sure, we could get rid of a strain of the flu by shutting down society.  We could hang out in our basement/house.  That's a choice.    But I don't think humans are here to sit behind a computer screen and only go out to get food and exercise.  So, I am going to travel.  I'm going to go to concerts.  I'm going to go to the office and have meetings with coworkers in person.   I'm sure it sounds selfish.  Billions and billions of people have been on this earth and died.  Another 8 billion will too.   But I'm not going to sit at home, get takeout from a restaurant, never see live music again, etc.... in order to delay the inevitable.  


    By the way, hanging out in your house only works if you live alone. The reason why cold and flu spike in winter is that people spend more time indoors with their filthy germ-spreading friends and family. That's why I stopped having friends, at least the ones that my personality hadn't driven away...
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,324
    BF25394 said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    I was fine with social distancing and masking for the COVID19 virus as it was unknown.   The article/post was referring to how masking/social distancing got rid of a strain of the flu.   My point with my comment was that, sure, we could get rid of a strain of the flu by shutting down society.  We could hang out in our basement/house.  That's a choice.    But I don't think humans are here to sit behind a computer screen and only go out to get food and exercise.  So, I am going to travel.  I'm going to go to concerts.  I'm going to go to the office and have meetings with coworkers in person.   I'm sure it sounds selfish.  Billions and billions of people have been on this earth and died.  Another 8 billion will too.   But I'm not going to sit at home, get takeout from a restaurant, never see live music again, etc.... in order to delay the inevitable.  


    By the way, hanging out in your house only works if you live alone. The reason why cold and flu spike in winter is that people spend more time indoors with their filthy germ-spreading friends and family. That's why I stopped having friends, at least the ones that my personality hadn't driven away...
    I think you and I would get along great. From a distance. A couple times a year. HAHA
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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 14,122
    Count me in......well out I guess 
    brixton 93
    astoria 06
    albany 06
    hartford 06
    reading 06
    barcelona 06
    paris 06
    wembley 07
    dusseldorf 07
    nijmegen 07

    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,324
    Count me in......well out I guess 
    haha. exactly
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