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I feel like you didn't actually read what you posted. This article 100% supports what everyone here has been saying. Maybe you should read it with a different lens if you think it's anti-vaccine.23scidoo said:
I care but..HughFreakingDillon said:he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/0 -
In both situations there should be more guns and less doors.AW124797 said:
What about swimming pools and air travel?benjs said:
You have ignored countless people on here who have explained to you, with evidence, how and why reduced symptoms led to reduced spread. You may consider reducing the spread of a pandemic by imposing a minuscule risk of any complication (not a lethal one) on employed citizens to be illegitimate - I consider that attitude selfish as fuck. Must be cultural differences between 'your part of the world' and mine.23scidoo said:
In my part of the world call it blacmail..mickeyrat said:23scidoo said:
What was it??HughFreakingDillon said:
that's not blackmail.23scidoo said:
So, blackmail..HughFreakingDillon said:
lose my job.23scidoo said:
What was your choice Huge if you don't get it??HughFreakingDillon said:
I know. I was one of them. I get the argument he is making. But it wasn't LITERALLY forced. there was still a choice. a shit choice? yeah, but a choice nonetheless.bootlegger10 said:
Let's be fair here and acknowledge that some people had to get the vaccine to keep their employment, travel, etc.... I know people that took it only to keep their jobs.HughFreakingDillon said:
neither was the vaccine. did someone hold you down and administer it? why is that so hard to understand?AW124797 said:
Birth control pill wasn't mandatory. Why is that so hard to understand?mrussel1 said:
Explain to me how that's not the same. The death rate for women on birth control pill due to clots is about 5/10,000. How is that any different than the risks with the vaccine?23scidoo said:
I made anesthesia once and i was so scared the previous night, lol..it's not the same and you know that..mrussel1 said:
Anesthesia has a death rate of 1/100k. Is that a daily crime against humanity? How many medicines have a zero death rate? None.23scidoo said:
It's not so good..Santorini??..which month??..prepare to pay everything as made of gold..we have much better islands to visit..benjs said:
Is this Greece's Kit Kat alternative? I'm going to Santorini and Athens later this summer, will have to check it out!23scidoo said:benjs said:
Oh, Children's Health Defense. Featuring Robert F. Kennedy as the Chairman of the Board. Are you as high as he is to support this crock of shit, four years in?23scidoo said:
As for the Nonclinical Evaluation of BNT162b2 that's 58 pages long - are you suggesting that for some reason you, with the controversial opinion, want us, with mountains of evidence, to scrutinize this two-year-old Nonclinical Evaluation to somehow prove you right? Give me a break. Or a damn page number.
and the famous sunset is οverpriced..bad beaches..have fun anyway..first visit to Greece??
my favourite greek chocolate is..
mrussel1 said:
The article talks about the German health minister..but you stuck to this guy from Cologne (very pretty city by the way)..
If it's so dangerous, why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects? Are the drug companies so bad at their jobs of poisoning us that it affects so few? Strange. Maybe I shouldn't have taken the jabs considering this guy from Cologne or that bullshit video of that weird lady who was faking it. Or maybe the side effects are in me, waiting to come out 3 years later, like a time bomb.23scidoo said:
28th of April was the first civil case..more to come..mrussel1 said:
Since you're not American, you can be forgiven for not knowing that Ken Paxson is a complete tool of an AG. Everything he does is for optics, from busing migrants across teh country, to supporting the ridiculous abortion law that violates several due process clauses. And NY Post is for people who find Fox News too classy. So keep following this 'investigation'. You'll see it goes as far as Cyber Ninjas doing recounts.23scidoo said:End of April, the first trials in Germany..
https://nypost.com/2023/04/30/texas-ag-ken-paxtons-covid-vaccine-investigation-could-stick-it-to-big-pharma-execs/
https://www.dw.com/en/post-vac-syndrome-the-forgotten-covid-victims/a-65051748
who is living in a rabbit hole??..
''why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects?''..really now??.. is that example if some people suffering from those??..
there are side effects you like it or not..some people experience with this and some people doesn't..if you or anyone else you know dosen't have any issues that doesn't mean the problem is not real..
EVEN ONE DEATH IN BILLION DOSES IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!!!!
a condition of employment.
Other risks we willingly accept:
Building codes in Ontario accept calculations yielding a 1 in 2 million odds of failure (a terrible imposition from the government - we should all abandon our homes instead)
The odds of tripping and dying in the shower are something like 1 in 700,000 (who can accept this? BAN ALL SHOWERS)
Exposure to drunk drivers on the road or violent carriers of firearms on the streets (whatever the odds are, expect them to be way worse if you're not Caucasian)
Being stampeded to death at a Pearl Jam concert: 9 died at Roskilde. As of September 2021 (according to ChatGPT) PJ had played over 1,200 shows. Assuming 30,000 seats per venue, that's 70,000,000 attendees, or more than 1 in 10 million odds of death. Should Pearl Jam have stopped touring when they saw a fatality occur? For that matter, should all music events be banned?0 -
Whoopsies:23scidoo said:
ςWhat happens here Huge, no comments??..23scidoo said:
I care but..HughFreakingDillon said:he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.20.21265137v1
However, despite its magnitude, the outbreak was restricted in its onward impact in MA and the US, likely due to high vaccination rates and a robust public health response.
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If you find one antivaccine post from me i'll buy you a cheeseburger from McDonald's..after 3 years you still don't get my point..mrussel1 said:
I feel like you didn't actually read what you posted. This article 100% supports what everyone here has been saying. Maybe you should read it with a different lens if you think it's anti-vaccine.23scidoo said:
I care but..HughFreakingDillon said:he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..0 -
Then summarize it. I certainly don't know what it is at this point.23scidoo said:
If you find one antivaccine post from me i'll buy you a cheeseburger from McDonald's..after 3 years you still don't get my point..mrussel1 said:
I feel like you didn't actually read what you posted. This article 100% supports what everyone here has been saying. Maybe you should read it with a different lens if you think it's anti-vaccine.23scidoo said:
I care but..HughFreakingDillon said:he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/0 -
I'll do it for last time..mrussel1 said:
Then summarize it. I certainly don't know what it is at this point.23scidoo said:
If you find one antivaccine post from me i'll buy you a cheeseburger from McDonald's..after 3 years you still don't get my point..mrussel1 said:
I feel like you didn't actually read what you posted. This article 100% supports what everyone here has been saying. Maybe you should read it with a different lens if you think it's anti-vaccine.23scidoo said:
I care but..HughFreakingDillon said:he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/
first lie..the virus came from the market..they knew it it was man made..please don't te;ll otherwise..
second lie..vaccines are 100% safe and effective..bullshit..people lost their jobs and scientists lost their reputations because they expressed a different opinion..others were called crazy and others conspiracy theorists..second time I post this article..
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..0 -
https://www.sciencealert.com/most-covid-19-deaths-may-be-the-result-of-a-completely-different-infection
https://news.feinberg.northwestern.edu/2023/05/05/secondary-bacterial-pneumonia-drove-many-covid-19-deaths/
https://www.jci.org/articles/view/170682
Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..0 -
So let's pull this apart one thing at a time:23scidoo said:
I'll do it for last time..mrussel1 said:
Then summarize it. I certainly don't know what it is at this point.23scidoo said:
If you find one antivaccine post from me i'll buy you a cheeseburger from McDonald's..after 3 years you still don't get my point..mrussel1 said:
I feel like you didn't actually read what you posted. This article 100% supports what everyone here has been saying. Maybe you should read it with a different lens if you think it's anti-vaccine.23scidoo said:
I care but..HughFreakingDillon said:he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/
first lie..the virus came from the market..they knew it it was man made..please don't te;ll otherwise..
second lie..vaccines are 100% safe and effective..bullshit..people lost their jobs and scientists lost their reputations because they expressed a different opinion..others were called crazy and others conspiracy theorists..second time I post this article..
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/
RE: "man made" vs "naturally occurring "
1. When you say "they knew it was man made", who precisely is "they" and when precisely did "they know"?
2. Let's say your statement is true (whoever "they" may be), what do you think your gov't or the US gov't should have done differently as a public health response, with that knowledge? Would they have not had mask mandates? Would the virus have killed fewer people. Tell me how the public response would have changed.
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RE: Safe and effective
1. What is the actual safety rate of the vaccine? What would it have needed to be for you to get the vaccine?
2. What is the final efficacy rate of the virus against the original strain (for which it was developed)? What would that number have needed to be for you to support the vaccine distribution?0 -
My views are probably in between you 2, but I'll answer.mrussel1 said:
So let's pull this apart one thing at a time:23scidoo said:
I'll do it for last time..mrussel1 said:
Then summarize it. I certainly don't know what it is at this point.23scidoo said:
If you find one antivaccine post from me i'll buy you a cheeseburger from McDonald's..after 3 years you still don't get my point..mrussel1 said:
I feel like you didn't actually read what you posted. This article 100% supports what everyone here has been saying. Maybe you should read it with a different lens if you think it's anti-vaccine.23scidoo said:
I care but..HughFreakingDillon said:he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/
first lie..the virus came from the market..they knew it it was man made..please don't te;ll otherwise..
second lie..vaccines are 100% safe and effective..bullshit..people lost their jobs and scientists lost their reputations because they expressed a different opinion..others were called crazy and others conspiracy theorists..second time I post this article..
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/
RE: "man made" vs "naturally occurring "
1. When you say "they knew it was man made", who precisely is "they" and when precisely did "they know"?
2. Let's say your statement is true (whoever "they" may be), what do you think your gov't or the US gov't should have done differently as a public health response, with that knowledge? Would they have not had mask mandates? Would the virus have killed fewer people. Tell me how the public response would have changed.
I'm not convinced they (the government and those working for them) knew it was from a lab early on. But they sure weren't open to the idea for a very long time. Many would call you racist for even suggesting it. Turns out, 2 years later seems like the likely cause. So they could have, and should have been more open to it than just shoving the wet market idea down on us.
They did announce the vaccine as something like 95% effective and say you will not even get it. Within a few months that changed to it just reduces the symptoms. A lot of people seem to forget that initial promise to us. I don't know what they should have done differently, they had limited data in a short time. I'm just acknowledging their stance on how effective it was did change quite a lot.0 -
I'm not sure your views are that different than mine, it's more about what expectations are of gov't, reasonably. Remember that gov't is filled with normal ass people just trying to do their job and go home like everyone else.mace1229 said:
My views are probably in between you 2, but I'll answer.mrussel1 said:
So let's pull this apart one thing at a time:23scidoo said:
I'll do it for last time..mrussel1 said:
Then summarize it. I certainly don't know what it is at this point.23scidoo said:
If you find one antivaccine post from me i'll buy you a cheeseburger from McDonald's..after 3 years you still don't get my point..mrussel1 said:
I feel like you didn't actually read what you posted. This article 100% supports what everyone here has been saying. Maybe you should read it with a different lens if you think it's anti-vaccine.23scidoo said:
I care but..HughFreakingDillon said:he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/
first lie..the virus came from the market..they knew it it was man made..please don't te;ll otherwise..
second lie..vaccines are 100% safe and effective..bullshit..people lost their jobs and scientists lost their reputations because they expressed a different opinion..others were called crazy and others conspiracy theorists..second time I post this article..
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/
RE: "man made" vs "naturally occurring "
1. When you say "they knew it was man made", who precisely is "they" and when precisely did "they know"?
2. Let's say your statement is true (whoever "they" may be), what do you think your gov't or the US gov't should have done differently as a public health response, with that knowledge? Would they have not had mask mandates? Would the virus have killed fewer people. Tell me how the public response would have changed.
I'm not convinced they (the government and those working for them) knew it was from a lab early on. But they sure weren't open to the idea for a very long time. Many would call you racist for even suggesting it. Turns out, 2 years later seems like the likely cause. So they could have, and should have been more open to it than just shoving the wet market idea down on us.
They did announce the vaccine as something like 95% effective and say you will not even get it. Within a few months that changed to it just reduces the symptoms. A lot of people seem to forget that initial promise to us. I don't know what they should have done differently, they had limited data in a short time. I'm just acknowledging their stance on how effective it was did change quite a lot.
So with regards to this, remember that before most people even got their booster, the virus had mutated to the Omnicron strain. That was becoming prevalent by fall of 2021. So the very strain that the vaccine was designed to combat was the minority strain early in the roll out. So being less than 95% would not be a surprise. The flu vaccine has that very same limitation. But the flu vaccine also reduces your symptoms even if you get the other type, the one it wasn't designed to prevent.
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And normal people often have their own agendas to worry about.mrussel1 said:
I'm not sure your views are that different than mine, it's more about what expectations are of gov't, reasonably. Remember that gov't is filled with normal ass people just trying to do their job and go home like everyone else.mace1229 said:
My views are probably in between you 2, but I'll answer.mrussel1 said:
So let's pull this apart one thing at a time:23scidoo said:
I'll do it for last time..mrussel1 said:
Then summarize it. I certainly don't know what it is at this point.23scidoo said:
If you find one antivaccine post from me i'll buy you a cheeseburger from McDonald's..after 3 years you still don't get my point..mrussel1 said:
I feel like you didn't actually read what you posted. This article 100% supports what everyone here has been saying. Maybe you should read it with a different lens if you think it's anti-vaccine.23scidoo said:
I care but..HughFreakingDillon said:he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/
first lie..the virus came from the market..they knew it it was man made..please don't te;ll otherwise..
second lie..vaccines are 100% safe and effective..bullshit..people lost their jobs and scientists lost their reputations because they expressed a different opinion..others were called crazy and others conspiracy theorists..second time I post this article..
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/
RE: "man made" vs "naturally occurring "
1. When you say "they knew it was man made", who precisely is "they" and when precisely did "they know"?
2. Let's say your statement is true (whoever "they" may be), what do you think your gov't or the US gov't should have done differently as a public health response, with that knowledge? Would they have not had mask mandates? Would the virus have killed fewer people. Tell me how the public response would have changed.
I'm not convinced they (the government and those working for them) knew it was from a lab early on. But they sure weren't open to the idea for a very long time. Many would call you racist for even suggesting it. Turns out, 2 years later seems like the likely cause. So they could have, and should have been more open to it than just shoving the wet market idea down on us.
They did announce the vaccine as something like 95% effective and say you will not even get it. Within a few months that changed to it just reduces the symptoms. A lot of people seem to forget that initial promise to us. I don't know what they should have done differently, they had limited data in a short time. I'm just acknowledging their stance on how effective it was did change quite a lot.
So with regards to this, remember that before most people even got their booster, the virus had mutated to the Omnicron strain. That was becoming prevalent by fall of 2021. So the very strain that the vaccine was designed to combat was the minority strain early in the roll out. So being less than 95% would not be a surprise. The flu vaccine has that very same limitation. But the flu vaccine also reduces your symptoms even if you get the other type, the one it wasn't designed to prevent.
Didn't Fauci and others in the government dismiss the lab leak theories? That was a big blunder in my opinion. At least acknowledge its a possibility and worth exploring, don't just completely dismiss the idea. I don't know what the agenda would be, but they clearly didn't want anyone to even consider the lab leak. Possibly because it was associate with the right, so they felt they had to dismiss it? Maybe they were worried about China relations? Who knows.
They should have foreseen variations and warned the public accordingly and provided realistic expectations instead of promises of this being over if you just take it. Again, I'm not sure why they didn't and can only guess.
This whole vaccine thing is something I'm surprised more people didn't talk about, or are okay with it. Kamala was the original anti Covid vaxer. She said on TV she wouldn't take a vaccine that Trump said you should take. Added that the experts will be muzzled so they can develop this vaccine.
Biden made similar comments, stating a vaccine likely wouldn't go through all the needed tests.
So they go from that stance, to telling you its over 95% effective when its not, and then wonder why people don't trust them and blame the unvaccinated for the pandemic?0 -
Thanks for leaving out the part where she said, “if Dr. Fauci or the ‘medical professionals’ said to take it, she’d be the first in line.”mace1229 said:
And normal people often have their own agendas to worry about.mrussel1 said:
I'm not sure your views are that different than mine, it's more about what expectations are of gov't, reasonably. Remember that gov't is filled with normal ass people just trying to do their job and go home like everyone else.mace1229 said:
My views are probably in between you 2, but I'll answer.mrussel1 said:
So let's pull this apart one thing at a time:23scidoo said:
I'll do it for last time..mrussel1 said:
Then summarize it. I certainly don't know what it is at this point.23scidoo said:
If you find one antivaccine post from me i'll buy you a cheeseburger from McDonald's..after 3 years you still don't get my point..mrussel1 said:
I feel like you didn't actually read what you posted. This article 100% supports what everyone here has been saying. Maybe you should read it with a different lens if you think it's anti-vaccine.23scidoo said:
I care but..HughFreakingDillon said:he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/
first lie..the virus came from the market..they knew it it was man made..please don't te;ll otherwise..
second lie..vaccines are 100% safe and effective..bullshit..people lost their jobs and scientists lost their reputations because they expressed a different opinion..others were called crazy and others conspiracy theorists..second time I post this article..
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/
RE: "man made" vs "naturally occurring "
1. When you say "they knew it was man made", who precisely is "they" and when precisely did "they know"?
2. Let's say your statement is true (whoever "they" may be), what do you think your gov't or the US gov't should have done differently as a public health response, with that knowledge? Would they have not had mask mandates? Would the virus have killed fewer people. Tell me how the public response would have changed.
I'm not convinced they (the government and those working for them) knew it was from a lab early on. But they sure weren't open to the idea for a very long time. Many would call you racist for even suggesting it. Turns out, 2 years later seems like the likely cause. So they could have, and should have been more open to it than just shoving the wet market idea down on us.
They did announce the vaccine as something like 95% effective and say you will not even get it. Within a few months that changed to it just reduces the symptoms. A lot of people seem to forget that initial promise to us. I don't know what they should have done differently, they had limited data in a short time. I'm just acknowledging their stance on how effective it was did change quite a lot.
So with regards to this, remember that before most people even got their booster, the virus had mutated to the Omnicron strain. That was becoming prevalent by fall of 2021. So the very strain that the vaccine was designed to combat was the minority strain early in the roll out. So being less than 95% would not be a surprise. The flu vaccine has that very same limitation. But the flu vaccine also reduces your symptoms even if you get the other type, the one it wasn't designed to prevent.
Didn't Fauci and others in the government dismiss the lab leak theories? That was a big blunder in my opinion. At least acknowledge its a possibility and worth exploring, don't just completely dismiss the idea. I don't know what the agenda would be, but they clearly didn't want anyone to even consider the lab leak. Possibly because it was associate with the right, so they felt they had to dismiss it? Maybe they were worried about China relations? Who knows.
They should have foreseen variations and warned the public accordingly and provided realistic expectations instead of promises of this being over if you just take it. Again, I'm not sure why they didn't and can only guess.
This whole vaccine thing is something I'm surprised more people didn't talk about, or are okay with it. Kamala was the original anti Covid vaxer. She said on TV she wouldn't take a vaccine that Trump said you should take. Added that the experts will be muzzled so they can develop this vaccine.
Biden made similar comments, stating a vaccine likely wouldn't go through all the needed tests.
So they go from that stance, to telling you it’s over 95% effective when it’s not, and then wonder why people don't trust them and blame the unvaccinated for the pandemic?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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How is this any different than someone who is far right not wanting to do a fucking thing that Biden, Harris or fauci recommended or told them to? Makes no sense. Follow the science. You think trump was in the lab creating the vaccine. Silly.Halifax2TheMax said:I wouldn’t do a fucking thing that POOTWH asked, recommended or told me to do. Not a fucking thing.0 -
H2M is right, Harris's comments were specific to Trump's statements. I would agree with that. I don't trust that lying POS but I do trust the CDC.mace1229 said:
And normal people often have their own agendas to worry about.mrussel1 said:
I'm not sure your views are that different than mine, it's more about what expectations are of gov't, reasonably. Remember that gov't is filled with normal ass people just trying to do their job and go home like everyone else.mace1229 said:
My views are probably in between you 2, but I'll answer.mrussel1 said:
So let's pull this apart one thing at a time:23scidoo said:
I'll do it for last time..mrussel1 said:
Then summarize it. I certainly don't know what it is at this point.23scidoo said:
If you find one antivaccine post from me i'll buy you a cheeseburger from McDonald's..after 3 years you still don't get my point..mrussel1 said:
I feel like you didn't actually read what you posted. This article 100% supports what everyone here has been saying. Maybe you should read it with a different lens if you think it's anti-vaccine.23scidoo said:
I care but..HughFreakingDillon said:he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/
first lie..the virus came from the market..they knew it it was man made..please don't te;ll otherwise..
second lie..vaccines are 100% safe and effective..bullshit..people lost their jobs and scientists lost their reputations because they expressed a different opinion..others were called crazy and others conspiracy theorists..second time I post this article..
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/
RE: "man made" vs "naturally occurring "
1. When you say "they knew it was man made", who precisely is "they" and when precisely did "they know"?
2. Let's say your statement is true (whoever "they" may be), what do you think your gov't or the US gov't should have done differently as a public health response, with that knowledge? Would they have not had mask mandates? Would the virus have killed fewer people. Tell me how the public response would have changed.
I'm not convinced they (the government and those working for them) knew it was from a lab early on. But they sure weren't open to the idea for a very long time. Many would call you racist for even suggesting it. Turns out, 2 years later seems like the likely cause. So they could have, and should have been more open to it than just shoving the wet market idea down on us.
They did announce the vaccine as something like 95% effective and say you will not even get it. Within a few months that changed to it just reduces the symptoms. A lot of people seem to forget that initial promise to us. I don't know what they should have done differently, they had limited data in a short time. I'm just acknowledging their stance on how effective it was did change quite a lot.
So with regards to this, remember that before most people even got their booster, the virus had mutated to the Omnicron strain. That was becoming prevalent by fall of 2021. So the very strain that the vaccine was designed to combat was the minority strain early in the roll out. So being less than 95% would not be a surprise. The flu vaccine has that very same limitation. But the flu vaccine also reduces your symptoms even if you get the other type, the one it wasn't designed to prevent.
Didn't Fauci and others in the government dismiss the lab leak theories? That was a big blunder in my opinion. At least acknowledge its a possibility and worth exploring, don't just completely dismiss the idea. I don't know what the agenda would be, but they clearly didn't want anyone to even consider the lab leak. Possibly because it was associate with the right, so they felt they had to dismiss it? Maybe they were worried about China relations? Who knows.
They should have foreseen variations and warned the public accordingly and provided realistic expectations instead of promises of this being over if you just take it. Again, I'm not sure why they didn't and can only guess.
This whole vaccine thing is something I'm surprised more people didn't talk about, or are okay with it. Kamala was the original anti Covid vaxer. She said on TV she wouldn't take a vaccine that Trump said you should take. Added that the experts will be muzzled so they can develop this vaccine.
Biden made similar comments, stating a vaccine likely wouldn't go through all the needed tests.
So they go from that stance, to telling you its over 95% effective when its not, and then wonder why people don't trust them and blame the unvaccinated for the pandemic?
Regarding the lab leak theory, yes it was a conspiracy theory because the people that were saying had no actual evidence. I don't give people credit for spouting ungrounded statements even if they turn out to be true later. And yes, it's certainly possible that geopolitical considerations were at play when making the statements. I'm okay with that too. And that is in support of the Trump administration (at least the professionals there). For me, that was about the 9th most important thing I cared about. As I said above, where it originated should change nothing about your public health response. Now, after we are past it, it should be evaluated, studied, etc. Which is happening.
Also, I think the CDC was very concerned about Asian racial crimes, which absolutely accelerated during the pandemic. In case you didn't know, we have some real racists pieces of shit in this country.0 -
You're welcome.Halifax2TheMax said:
Thanks for leaving out the part where she said, “if Dr. Fauci or the ‘medical professionals’ said to take it, she’d be the first in line.”mace1229 said:
And normal people often have their own agendas to worry about.mrussel1 said:
I'm not sure your views are that different than mine, it's more about what expectations are of gov't, reasonably. Remember that gov't is filled with normal ass people just trying to do their job and go home like everyone else.mace1229 said:
My views are probably in between you 2, but I'll answer.mrussel1 said:
So let's pull this apart one thing at a time:23scidoo said:
I'll do it for last time..mrussel1 said:
Then summarize it. I certainly don't know what it is at this point.23scidoo said:
If you find one antivaccine post from me i'll buy you a cheeseburger from McDonald's..after 3 years you still don't get my point..mrussel1 said:
I feel like you didn't actually read what you posted. This article 100% supports what everyone here has been saying. Maybe you should read it with a different lens if you think it's anti-vaccine.23scidoo said:
I care but..HughFreakingDillon said:he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/
first lie..the virus came from the market..they knew it it was man made..please don't te;ll otherwise..
second lie..vaccines are 100% safe and effective..bullshit..people lost their jobs and scientists lost their reputations because they expressed a different opinion..others were called crazy and others conspiracy theorists..second time I post this article..
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/
RE: "man made" vs "naturally occurring "
1. When you say "they knew it was man made", who precisely is "they" and when precisely did "they know"?
2. Let's say your statement is true (whoever "they" may be), what do you think your gov't or the US gov't should have done differently as a public health response, with that knowledge? Would they have not had mask mandates? Would the virus have killed fewer people. Tell me how the public response would have changed.
I'm not convinced they (the government and those working for them) knew it was from a lab early on. But they sure weren't open to the idea for a very long time. Many would call you racist for even suggesting it. Turns out, 2 years later seems like the likely cause. So they could have, and should have been more open to it than just shoving the wet market idea down on us.
They did announce the vaccine as something like 95% effective and say you will not even get it. Within a few months that changed to it just reduces the symptoms. A lot of people seem to forget that initial promise to us. I don't know what they should have done differently, they had limited data in a short time. I'm just acknowledging their stance on how effective it was did change quite a lot.
So with regards to this, remember that before most people even got their booster, the virus had mutated to the Omnicron strain. That was becoming prevalent by fall of 2021. So the very strain that the vaccine was designed to combat was the minority strain early in the roll out. So being less than 95% would not be a surprise. The flu vaccine has that very same limitation. But the flu vaccine also reduces your symptoms even if you get the other type, the one it wasn't designed to prevent.
Didn't Fauci and others in the government dismiss the lab leak theories? That was a big blunder in my opinion. At least acknowledge its a possibility and worth exploring, don't just completely dismiss the idea. I don't know what the agenda would be, but they clearly didn't want anyone to even consider the lab leak. Possibly because it was associate with the right, so they felt they had to dismiss it? Maybe they were worried about China relations? Who knows.
They should have foreseen variations and warned the public accordingly and provided realistic expectations instead of promises of this being over if you just take it. Again, I'm not sure why they didn't and can only guess.
This whole vaccine thing is something I'm surprised more people didn't talk about, or are okay with it. Kamala was the original anti Covid vaxer. She said on TV she wouldn't take a vaccine that Trump said you should take. Added that the experts will be muzzled so they can develop this vaccine.
Biden made similar comments, stating a vaccine likely wouldn't go through all the needed tests.
So they go from that stance, to telling you it’s over 95% effective when it’s not, and then wonder why people don't trust them and blame the unvaccinated for the pandemic?
And in that same conversation, she also said this: Bash first asked Harris if she believed the scientists and medical professionals who were working on a vaccine would be the ones who had the final say on the efficacy of a vaccine. Harris said she did not:“If past is prologue … they’ll be muzzled. They’ll be suppressed,” Harris said of health experts and scientists. “They will be sidelined because he’s looking at an election coming up in less than 60 days, and he’s grasping for whatever he can get to pretend he has been a leader on this issue when he has not.”
She discredited the same scientists that gave us the vaccine she was pushing just a couple months later.
Both Biden and Harris went on record before the election questioning the very vaccines they mandated just a couple months later. You can't deny it. Well, you can and you will, but it happened.
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What? No, she didn't discredit them. You usually have good takes, but I don't know where you got this. She's discrediting Trump and his strategy of politicizing everything. And she was right, we learned later that he "played it down" as you well know.mace1229 said:
You're welcome.Halifax2TheMax said:
Thanks for leaving out the part where she said, “if Dr. Fauci or the ‘medical professionals’ said to take it, she’d be the first in line.”mace1229 said:
And normal people often have their own agendas to worry about.mrussel1 said:
I'm not sure your views are that different than mine, it's more about what expectations are of gov't, reasonably. Remember that gov't is filled with normal ass people just trying to do their job and go home like everyone else.mace1229 said:
My views are probably in between you 2, but I'll answer.mrussel1 said:
So let's pull this apart one thing at a time:23scidoo said:
I'll do it for last time..mrussel1 said:
Then summarize it. I certainly don't know what it is at this point.23scidoo said:
If you find one antivaccine post from me i'll buy you a cheeseburger from McDonald's..after 3 years you still don't get my point..mrussel1 said:
I feel like you didn't actually read what you posted. This article 100% supports what everyone here has been saying. Maybe you should read it with a different lens if you think it's anti-vaccine.23scidoo said:
I care but..HughFreakingDillon said:he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/
first lie..the virus came from the market..they knew it it was man made..please don't te;ll otherwise..
second lie..vaccines are 100% safe and effective..bullshit..people lost their jobs and scientists lost their reputations because they expressed a different opinion..others were called crazy and others conspiracy theorists..second time I post this article..
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/
RE: "man made" vs "naturally occurring "
1. When you say "they knew it was man made", who precisely is "they" and when precisely did "they know"?
2. Let's say your statement is true (whoever "they" may be), what do you think your gov't or the US gov't should have done differently as a public health response, with that knowledge? Would they have not had mask mandates? Would the virus have killed fewer people. Tell me how the public response would have changed.
I'm not convinced they (the government and those working for them) knew it was from a lab early on. But they sure weren't open to the idea for a very long time. Many would call you racist for even suggesting it. Turns out, 2 years later seems like the likely cause. So they could have, and should have been more open to it than just shoving the wet market idea down on us.
They did announce the vaccine as something like 95% effective and say you will not even get it. Within a few months that changed to it just reduces the symptoms. A lot of people seem to forget that initial promise to us. I don't know what they should have done differently, they had limited data in a short time. I'm just acknowledging their stance on how effective it was did change quite a lot.
So with regards to this, remember that before most people even got their booster, the virus had mutated to the Omnicron strain. That was becoming prevalent by fall of 2021. So the very strain that the vaccine was designed to combat was the minority strain early in the roll out. So being less than 95% would not be a surprise. The flu vaccine has that very same limitation. But the flu vaccine also reduces your symptoms even if you get the other type, the one it wasn't designed to prevent.
Didn't Fauci and others in the government dismiss the lab leak theories? That was a big blunder in my opinion. At least acknowledge its a possibility and worth exploring, don't just completely dismiss the idea. I don't know what the agenda would be, but they clearly didn't want anyone to even consider the lab leak. Possibly because it was associate with the right, so they felt they had to dismiss it? Maybe they were worried about China relations? Who knows.
They should have foreseen variations and warned the public accordingly and provided realistic expectations instead of promises of this being over if you just take it. Again, I'm not sure why they didn't and can only guess.
This whole vaccine thing is something I'm surprised more people didn't talk about, or are okay with it. Kamala was the original anti Covid vaxer. She said on TV she wouldn't take a vaccine that Trump said you should take. Added that the experts will be muzzled so they can develop this vaccine.
Biden made similar comments, stating a vaccine likely wouldn't go through all the needed tests.
So they go from that stance, to telling you it’s over 95% effective when it’s not, and then wonder why people don't trust them and blame the unvaccinated for the pandemic?
And in that same conversation, she also said this: Bash first asked Harris if she believed the scientists and medical professionals who were working on a vaccine would be the ones who had the final say on the efficacy of a vaccine. Harris said she did not:“If past is prologue … they’ll be muzzled. They’ll be suppressed,” Harris said of health experts and scientists. “They will be sidelined because he’s looking at an election coming up in less than 60 days, and he’s grasping for whatever he can get to pretend he has been a leader on this issue when he has not.”
She discredited the same scientists that gave us the vaccine she was pushing just a couple months later.
Both Biden and Harris went on record before the election questioning the very vaccines they mandated just a couple months later. You can't deny it. Well, you can and you will, but it happened.
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bingo. was just about to post that.Go Beavers said:
Whoopsies:23scidoo said:
ςWhat happens here Huge, no comments??..23scidoo said:
I care but..HughFreakingDillon said:he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.20.21265137v1
However, despite its magnitude, the outbreak was restricted in its onward impact in MA and the US, likely due to high vaccination rates and a robust public health response.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
wow, quite the open mind ya got there.23scidoo said:
I'll do it for last time..mrussel1 said:
Then summarize it. I certainly don't know what it is at this point.23scidoo said:
If you find one antivaccine post from me i'll buy you a cheeseburger from McDonald's..after 3 years you still don't get my point..mrussel1 said:
I feel like you didn't actually read what you posted. This article 100% supports what everyone here has been saying. Maybe you should read it with a different lens if you think it's anti-vaccine.23scidoo said:
I care but..HughFreakingDillon said:he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/
first lie..the virus came from the market..they knew it it was man made..please don't te;ll otherwise..
second lie..vaccines are 100% safe and effective..bullshit..people lost their jobs and scientists lost their reputations because they expressed a different opinion..others were called crazy and others conspiracy theorists..second time I post this article..
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/
maybe it was lab leak. maybe it wasn't. I personally wait for actual data, not opinion articles or google searches that confirm my own bias.
Hugh (with an H, not an E)Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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