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I like data. Please repost on how covid vaccine prevents infection and transmission.HughFreakingDillon said:you don't like data?0 -
it doesn't prevent infection. it prevents severe outcomes. which we've known for a very long time.AW124797 said:I like data. Please repost on how covid vaccine prevents infection and transmission.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
AW124797 said:I like data. Please repost on how covid vaccine prevents infection and transmission.
Here's a study from Washington State Department of Health that found:
Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are • 2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are • 1.9 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are • 2.3 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series
https://doh.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-02/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf
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HughFreakingDillon said:it doesn't prevent infection. it prevents severe outcomes. which we've known for a very long time.
That data about the vaccine reducing hospitalizations and deaths doesn't fit the predetermined narrative that vaccines don't help, so it's ignored.0 -
I've noticed that. people cling to the "prevents infection" claim from two years ago when they thought it did/would. They figured out it doesn't (or at least not to the degree it was hoped) but at least it prevents severe outcomes, and those that knew were honest about it. That is undeniable. But when the science changes, people say the previous science was a lie. it's so weird. that's literally how science has always worked.Merkin Baller said:
That data about the vaccine reducing hospitalizations and deaths doesn't fit the predetermined narrative that vaccines don't help, so it's ignored.
the science has evolved at a record pace here, and people want to call it a conspiracy. when the fuck did humanity ever have a preventative measure that mitigates severe disease and death within months of the new disease being discovered, this quickly? literally never.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
There you go. Initial data was way off then.HughFreakingDillon said:it doesn't prevent infection. it prevents severe outcomes. which we've known for a very long time.0 -
But it does fit the vaccine requirement narrative.Merkin Baller said:
That data about the vaccine reducing hospitalizations and deaths doesn't fit the predetermined narrative that vaccines don't help, so it's ignored.0 -
Tell that to the people that were still being fired 10 months ago.HughFreakingDillon said:I've noticed that. people cling to the "prevents infection" claim from two years ago when they thought it did/would. They figured out it doesn't (or at least not to the degree it was hoped) but at least it prevents severe outcomes, and those that knew were honest about it. That is undeniable. But when the science changes, people say the previous science was a lie. it's so weird. that's literally how science has always worked.
the science has evolved at a record pace here, and people want to call it a conspiracy. when the fuck did humanity ever have a preventative measure that mitigates severe disease and death within months of the new disease being discovered, this quickly? literally never.0 -
yeah, again, that's how science works. and it wasn't "way off". as far as I understand it, they couldn't know about infection/transmission affectation until they had real world data. and they didn't have real world data until they had high rollout and uptake. it was disappointing that it didn't have as much of an impact on those factors as they had hoped, but at least it is keeping millions more alive.AW124797 said:There you go. Initial data was way off then.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
public health is not a "narrative".AW124797 said:But it does fit the vaccine requirement narrative.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
tell them what? that companies can make their own decisions on the employment requirements as they wish, as long as it isn't discrimatory based on human rights factors? vaccine status isn't listed anywhere in any rights documents that I've seen. I couldn't go to elementary school if I didn't have my shots. this is no different. but because of jenny mccarthy, now somehow it is.AW124797 said:Tell that to the people that were still being fired 10 months ago.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I noticed you completely glossed over merkinball's data he posted. I wonder why that is.AW124797 said:There you go. Initial data was way off then.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:yeah, again, that's how science works. and it wasn't "way off". as far as I understand it, they couldn't know about infection/transmission affectation until they had real world data. and they didn't have real world data until they had high rollout and uptake. it was disappointing that it didn't have as much of an impact on those factors as they had hoped, but at least it is keeping millions more alive.Maybe they should've waited for more data to roll in before mandatory vaccinations, no?0
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HughFreakingDillon said:tell them what? that companies can make their own decisions on the employment requirements as they wish, as long as it isn't discrimatory based on human rights factors? vaccine status isn't listed anywhere in any rights documents that I've seen. I couldn't go to elementary school if I didn't have my shots. this is no different. but because of jenny mccarthy, now somehow it is.It's not companies making their own decisions. Last winter/spring any business in NYC required vaccinations. City employees were fired first. Look it up.0
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HughFreakingDillon said:I noticed you completely glossed over merkinball's data he posted. I wonder why that is.
It's from last year and "science changes." Also, doesn't fit my narrative.
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The study from the Cleveland clinic said ''more-immunized employees also caught COVID-19 more often''..Merkin Baller said:
Here's a study from Washington State Department of Health that found:
Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are • 2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are • 1.9 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are • 2.3 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the primary series
https://doh.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-02/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf
but what they know..
Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
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The other ''guy'' is a Nobel Prize winner for discovery the HIV..but again, what can he knows??..HughFreakingDillon said:there will always be outliers. but I am going to tend to believe the 99% over the 1%. no scientist is a god. they are fallible humans like the rest of us. some are going to be good at their jobs and others won't be. do you think it's plausible that the 99% are bad at their jobs and the 1% are good? or the other way around?
I'm going with the 99%, 100% of the time. that's just makes sense to me.
there are always going to be a number of unanswered questions regarding this, until we're long removed from it and it's studied ad nauseum. like how in the beginning they fucked up the mask thing. They said they didn't work. Then they said they did. Now they are saying some don't and some do. I'm inclined to believe the latter. I think in the beginning they said they weren't needed since they thought the virus spread in the same way as other cold and flu viruses. When they got evidence that it was more evasive, and stayed in the air longer and had a farther reach, they switched course. Again, that's how science works. You change your position based on the known information at the time.
it's not easy navigating a new disease in real time. hindsight is always goin to be 20/20. there are going to be things they get wrong. there are going to be things they get right.
again, the only people claiming fauci is some type of worshipped deity by the left, are people from the right. he is a trusted virologist based on his decades of service and education and experience dealing with epidemiology.
and the other guy, based just on the link you provided, sounds pretty problematic and controversial in the scientific community.Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
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