The all-purpose heavy duty Climate Chaos thread (sprinkled with hope).

Cropduster-80 · August 2022

mickeyrat said:

Cropduster-80 said:

mickeyrat said:

do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.

they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...

this is Houston’s approach

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-people.html

The difference is obvious. There use to be tent cities under bridges. Now you see a random single tent here and there

quinones goes into the reasons for it today. chiefly the explosion of meth and fentynal.

I see the difference based on where I am. Back home in Montana it’s meth for sure. Less so in Houston.

People on meth are pretty scary especially when they are roaming the street and everyone you see seems to be on meth. For example I’m way more nervous to walk around at night in a Montana town than I am in Houston. You can spot a meth user pretty easily.

Not totally sure it’s accurate everywhere but from what I’ve seen meth is regional. Wherever it is though, it’s devastating. Anti meth tv ads and billboards have been all over for years back home. It’s hardly ever mentioned where I live now. Not sure why.

Fentanyl, that one doesn’t surprise me pretty much anywhere

mickeyrat · August 2022

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

Cropduster-80 said:

mickeyrat said:

do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.

they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...

this is Houston’s approach

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-people.html

The difference is obvious. There use to be tent cities under bridges. Now you see a random single tent here and there

quinones goes into the reasons for it today. chiefly the explosion of meth and fentynal.

We used to have functioning tweekers. These days we don't...

meth formulas changed with the crackdown on ephidrene. went back to the P2P method?

tempo_n_groove · August 2022

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

Cropduster-80 said:

mickeyrat said:

do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.

they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...

this is Houston’s approach

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-people.html

The difference is obvious. There use to be tent cities under bridges. Now you see a random single tent here and there

quinones goes into the reasons for it today. chiefly the explosion of meth and fentynal.

We used to have functioning tweekers. These days we don't...

meth formulas changed with the crackdown on ephidrene. went back to the P2P method?

I know I'm being facetious but still. It's wild that we have people on Meth that are this bad off now. Fentanyl, I learned has been around for years and they are finally getting around to using it in pretty much every street drug now. This will eventually be as bad if not worse than the crack epidemic as I don't think we are quite there yet.

mickeyrat · August 2022

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

Cropduster-80 said:

mickeyrat said:

do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.

they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...

this is Houston’s approach

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-people.html

The difference is obvious. There use to be tent cities under bridges. Now you see a random single tent here and there

quinones goes into the reasons for it today. chiefly the explosion of meth and fentynal.

We used to have functioning tweekers. These days we don't...

meth formulas changed with the crackdown on ephidrene. went back to the P2P method?

I know I'm being facetious but still. It's wild that we have people on Meth that are this bad off now. Fentanyl, I learned has been around for years and they are finally getting around to using it in pretty much every street drug now. This will eventually be as bad if not worse than the crack epidemic as I don't think we are quite there yet.

listen to that podcast.

brianlux · August 2022

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

Cropduster-80 said:

brianlux said:

Cropduster-80 said:

It’s amazing people even wanted to live there.

is aesthetics a uniquely 20th century thing? Never mind the filth

even in disgusting houston they try to make it look nice. There are trees and stuff. It hides the trash. Dallas looks even worse.

It's a little amazing to me that so many people still want to live here. Most of the year it is a lot drier and less colorful than that second photo depicts (although there are brief periods where it is pretty here), the place is crawling with Trumpers, and the developers are having their way with the foothills areas here big-time.

This country has really become a split personality when it comes to aesthetics (and wealth). We do seem to try to keep up the facade, but which of these, for example, best represents our closest city, Sacramento?

That’s about right. Picture 1 looks great until you zoom in

same here but thankfully the homeless issue is handled pretty well. It’s one thing houston does a good job with

That's great to hear. It's not being handle well out here at all. Sacramento, San Francisco, Los Angeles, even here in Placerville, the situation is a terrible mess.
This is just outside of town here:

I tell you if I was homeless I would make my area tidy so people wouldn't fuss about me being there...

@brianlux I used to live in Santa Clarita. It was a cool place to live. You could roam the foothills and find tarantulas, trap door spiders, rattlers and racers and a whole bunch of different lizards. It has become so built up now all those areas we had free range on are now houses.

Beautiful Sand Canyon became row homes now...

At least they still have the washes you can roam freely in to explore.

That's saying a lot as you are relatively young, so that is quickly changed down that way. But these days, things really build up fast and it really is sad how overbuilt so much of California has become. We are watching the southern end of Folsom transforming from open golden hills to dense housing in very short order.
I grew up in the Bay Area a little less than 2 miles from Shoreline Amphitheater. There were still a number of farms in the area, undeveloped fields, free running creeks with wildlife, and US 101 (Bayshore Freeway) had stop lights!

tempo_n_groove · August 2022

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

Cropduster-80 said:

mickeyrat said:

do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.

they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...

this is Houston’s approach

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-people.html

The difference is obvious. There use to be tent cities under bridges. Now you see a random single tent here and there

quinones goes into the reasons for it today. chiefly the explosion of meth and fentynal.

We used to have functioning tweekers. These days we don't...

meth formulas changed with the crackdown on ephidrene. went back to the P2P method?

I know I'm being facetious but still. It's wild that we have people on Meth that are this bad off now. Fentanyl, I learned has been around for years and they are finally getting around to using it in pretty much every street drug now. This will eventually be as bad if not worse than the crack epidemic as I don't think we are quite there yet.

listen to that podcast.

Listening now. Unhoused rather than homeless? That's a new one.

HughFreakingDillon · August 2022

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

Cropduster-80 said:

mickeyrat said:

do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.

they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...

this is Houston’s approach

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-people.html

The difference is obvious. There use to be tent cities under bridges. Now you see a random single tent here and there

quinones goes into the reasons for it today. chiefly the explosion of meth and fentynal.

We used to have functioning tweekers. These days we don't...

meth formulas changed with the crackdown on ephidrene. went back to the P2P method?

I know I'm being facetious but still. It's wild that we have people on Meth that are this bad off now. Fentanyl, I learned has been around for years and they are finally getting around to using it in pretty much every street drug now. This will eventually be as bad if not worse than the crack epidemic as I don't think we are quite there yet.

listen to that podcast.

Listening now. Unhoused rather than homeless? That's a new one.

this came up last week when I saw that word in the paper. my dad (74) was aghast.

tempo_n_groove · August 2022

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

Cropduster-80 said:

mickeyrat said:

do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.

they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...

this is Houston’s approach

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-people.html

The difference is obvious. There use to be tent cities under bridges. Now you see a random single tent here and there

quinones goes into the reasons for it today. chiefly the explosion of meth and fentynal.

We used to have functioning tweekers. These days we don't...

meth formulas changed with the crackdown on ephidrene. went back to the P2P method?

I know I'm being facetious but still. It's wild that we have people on Meth that are this bad off now. Fentanyl, I learned has been around for years and they are finally getting around to using it in pretty much every street drug now. This will eventually be as bad if not worse than the crack epidemic as I don't think we are quite there yet.

listen to that podcast.

Listening now. Unhoused rather than homeless? That's a new one.

this came up last week when I saw that word in the paper. my dad (74) was aghast.

Read an article about that immediately after hearing that term. When asked how they would like to be addressed "unhoused, homeless, or people experiencing homelessness" the major response was "anything that is described w respect" then they didn't care.

It's one of those things that I don't get but hey, people are working on eradicating it and the word so it's going the right direction.

HughFreakingDillon · August 2022

homeless apparently implies someone as being "less than". I guess. I've been carless. I never considered myself less than and wanted to be called uncarred. or transitful.

but whatever a group wishes to be called, so be it.

Cropduster-80 · August 2022

Whatever they want to be called is fine with me.

unhoused cleans up the language. Homelessness is a double suffix. It seems clunky

cblock4life · August 2022

“Recently unfortunate”

Cropduster-80 · August 2022

cblock4life said:

“Recently unfortunate”

I was going to say “van life”, but millennials who want a permanent vacation appropriated it.

RunIntoTheRain · August 2022

Cropduster-80 said:

mickeyrat said:

do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.

they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...

this is Houston’s approach

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-people.html

The difference is obvious. There use to be tent cities under bridges. Now you see a random single tent here and there

Really interesting article @cropdu@Cropduster-80 Thanks for posting it. Would love to know the follow up on Terri Harris.

brianlux · August 2022

I dunno, "homeless" seems right to me. It's like what George Carlin said about euphemistic language. SHELL SHOCK-- direct, honest, to the point- was eventually degraded to the bland "post traumatic stress syndrome". I have never been completely homeless, but due to no other option at the time, I once lived in my vehicle for the most of three years, and even that seemed rather homeless to me.

mickeyrat · August 2022

brianlux said:

I dunno, "homeless" seems right to me. It's like what George Carlin said about euphemistic language. SHELL SHOCK-- direct, honest, to the point- was eventually degraded to the bland "post traumatic stress syndrome". I have never been completely homeless, but due to no other option at the time, I once lived in my vehicle for the most of three years, and even that seemed rather homeless to me.

shell shock was specific to soldiers though. PTSD can occur in nearly anyone......

brianlux · August 2022

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

I dunno, "homeless" seems right to me. It's like what George Carlin said about euphemistic language. SHELL SHOCK-- direct, honest, to the point- was eventually degraded to the bland "post traumatic stress syndrome". I have never been completely homeless, but due to no other option at the time, I once lived in my vehicle for the most of three years, and even that seemed rather homeless to me.

shell shock was specific to soldiers though. PTSD can occur in nearly anyone......

Very true (I only know too well). Carlin was talking about shell shock/ battle fatigue/ operational exhaustion/ post traumatic stress disorder all within the same context.

But we're veering way off topic here... on AMT? Never!

Cropduster-80 · August 2022

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

I dunno, "homeless" seems right to me. It's like what George Carlin said about euphemistic language. SHELL SHOCK-- direct, honest, to the point- was eventually degraded to the bland "post traumatic stress syndrome". I have never been completely homeless, but due to no other option at the time, I once lived in my vehicle for the most of three years, and even that seemed rather homeless to me.

shell shock was specific to soldiers though. PTSD can occur in nearly anyone......

Very true (I only know too well). Carlin was talking about shell shock/ battle fatigue/ operational exhaustion/ post traumatic stress disorder all within the same context.
But we're veering way off topic here... on AMT? Never!

Staying off topic 😂

shell shock, battle fatigue, operational exhaustion etc all seem to imply taking a nap will cure it.

PTSD clarifies a disorder and describes its after a trauma

as with a lot of things, rebranding or renaming doesn’t always imply some left woke agenda as if often thrown around (generally speaking, not you specifically)

I think sometimes it is functionally necessary

mickeyrat · August 2022

Cropduster-80 said:

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

I dunno, "homeless" seems right to me. It's like what George Carlin said about euphemistic language. SHELL SHOCK-- direct, honest, to the point- was eventually degraded to the bland "post traumatic stress syndrome". I have never been completely homeless, but due to no other option at the time, I once lived in my vehicle for the most of three years, and even that seemed rather homeless to me.

shell shock was specific to soldiers though. PTSD can occur in nearly anyone......

Very true (I only know too well). Carlin was talking about shell shock/ battle fatigue/ operational exhaustion/ post traumatic stress disorder all within the same context.
But we're veering way off topic here... on AMT? Never!

Staying off topic 😂

shell shock, battle fatigue, operational exhaustion etc all seem to imply taking a nap will cure it.

PTSD clarifies a disorder and describes its after a trauma

as with a lot of things, rebranding or renaming doesn’t always imply some left woke agenda as if often thrown around (generally speaking, not you specifically)

I think sometimes it is functionally necessary

when you know better. do better

maya angelou

Cropduster-80 · August 2022

mickeyrat said:

Cropduster-80 said:

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

I dunno, "homeless" seems right to me. It's like what George Carlin said about euphemistic language. SHELL SHOCK-- direct, honest, to the point- was eventually degraded to the bland "post traumatic stress syndrome". I have never been completely homeless, but due to no other option at the time, I once lived in my vehicle for the most of three years, and even that seemed rather homeless to me.

shell shock was specific to soldiers though. PTSD can occur in nearly anyone......

Very true (I only know too well). Carlin was talking about shell shock/ battle fatigue/ operational exhaustion/ post traumatic stress disorder all within the same context.
But we're veering way off topic here... on AMT? Never!

Staying off topic 😂

shell shock, battle fatigue, operational exhaustion etc all seem to imply taking a nap will cure it.

PTSD clarifies a disorder and describes its after a trauma

as with a lot of things, rebranding or renaming doesn’t always imply some left woke agenda as if often thrown around (generally speaking, not you specifically)

I think sometimes it is functionally necessary

when you know better. do better

maya angelou

People were seriously pissed when they changed the ABC song. Kids thinking LMNO was one letter didn’t seem to matter.

changing anything upsets people

swinging it around to on topic. If that’s the mentality to any change, how do you adopt a climate policy which involves actual major change which is a lot more substantial than the words to a childrens song?

it kind of does relate to this thread

brianlux · August 2022

Cropduster-80 said:

mickeyrat said:

Cropduster-80 said:

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

I dunno, "homeless" seems right to me. It's like what George Carlin said about euphemistic language. SHELL SHOCK-- direct, honest, to the point- was eventually degraded to the bland "post traumatic stress syndrome". I have never been completely homeless, but due to no other option at the time, I once lived in my vehicle for the most of three years, and even that seemed rather homeless to me.

shell shock was specific to soldiers though. PTSD can occur in nearly anyone......

Very true (I only know too well). Carlin was talking about shell shock/ battle fatigue/ operational exhaustion/ post traumatic stress disorder all within the same context.
But we're veering way off topic here... on AMT? Never!

Staying off topic 😂

shell shock, battle fatigue, operational exhaustion etc all seem to imply taking a nap will cure it.

PTSD clarifies a disorder and describes its after a trauma

as with a lot of things, rebranding or renaming doesn’t always imply some left woke agenda as if often thrown around (generally speaking, not you specifically)

I think sometimes it is functionally necessary

when you know better. do better

maya angelou

People were seriously pissed when they changed the ABC song. Kids thinking LMNO was one letter didn’t seem to matter.

changing anything upsets people

I'm sticking with Big Birds song which start out like an "a" word (as anyone can see), but somewhere in the middle gets awfully qr to me.

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