The all-purpose heavy duty Climate Chaos thread (sprinkled with hope).

Tim Simmons

shadowcast said:

brianlux said:

Remember when climate deniers were a regular thing here.  Changed their minds?  Ahhhhhh, too late.  Adaptation is going to be a challenge for millions.  

I would it call it being a denier. I would call it not falling for the culture of fear that Co2 is a bad thing. The earth has never been greener. Recycling is a lie.  Wind mills are garbage especially the ocean ones that kill wild life especially whales. Hurricanes are not that more frequent. Coral reefs are getting better and remind us of nature’s tenacity. There's a lot of exaggerated fears about climate.  Follow the money everyone....follow the money. 

its the playing loose and free with genuine facts that is the issue here. And you are falling prey to what this Admin wants you to (or people with vested interests in gas, mining, etc). 

-Of course CO2 isn't a bad thing. its part of the cycle of life. But increased levels in the atmosphere (greenhouse gasses) disturb the ecology of the planet. Creating warmer environments, melting icecaps, and creating unbalance the naturally occurring environmental cycles and life on the earth. 

-Some recycling is a lie. Plastic is largely unreusable. But Glass and aluminum are certainly reusable. We should be advocating for more composting, less plastic usage and lean in on glass and aluminum. 

the windmill thing is fucking insane. its a fast growing green energy (almost 10% of the earth power generation!) that is quite successful with minimal impact. Trumps insane for thinking this is bad. Granted it probably has more to do with eye-soreness. 

Correct Hurricanes are not more frequent, but tropical storms ARE (of which Hurricanes are considered). But, hurricanes have been trending increasingly stronger (more Cat 3,4, and 5s). 

There are exaggerated fears about climate change no doubt. There has been a lot of successful gains in pursuit of a cleaner planet and clean energy. But claiming its all a scam is just lazy thinking based on half truths and mis information. 

Poncier

shadowcast said:

brianlux said:

Remember when climate deniers were a regular thing here.  Changed their minds?  Ahhhhhh, too late.  Adaptation is going to be a challenge for millions.  

 Wind mills are garbage especially the ocean ones that kill wild life especially whales.

Fact-checking Donald Trump's claim that wind turbines kill whales

There is no evidence to back Mr Trump's suggestion that offshore wind turbines are killing whales.
NOAA officials carried out post-mortem examinations on about 90 humpback whales found dead since 2016.
Forty per cent of those deaths were linked to human interaction - whales becoming entangled in fishing nets, or being struck by vessels travelling through their feeding grounds.
In the remaining cases investigated by NOAA, other factors were listed as possible causes of death, including parasite-caused organ damage or starvation.
In some cases, the advanced stage of decomposition of the carcasses meant it was impossible to conclusively determine the cause of death.
"We know what the main threats are to humpback whales: it's very much the impact from things like fishing and ship strikes," says Rob Deaville from the Zoological Society of London's Cetacean Strandings Investigation Programme.
"To talk about wind farms being a problem takes away discussion around the very real threats that are a problem for those species."