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The Sequoias would like a word with you.Cropduster-80 said:
Brazil gets a lot of crap and rightfully so, however I’m glad those rainforests aren’t here. No way they would have lasted this longmickeyrat said:0 -
Brazil is like 50% rainforest. No way we would have kept that much. During westward expansion it would have been levelledtempo_n_groove said:
The Sequoias would like a word with you.Cropduster-80 said:
Brazil gets a lot of crap and rightfully so, however I’m glad those rainforests aren’t here. No way they would have lasted this longmickeyrat said:
no idea how much rain forest it use to bePost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
True. We are lucky to have walnut and maples hundreds of years old up state. Must have been too cold to settle back then.Cropduster-80 said:
Brazil is like 50% rainforest. No way we would have kept that much. During westward expansion it would have been levelledtempo_n_groove said:
The Sequoias would like a word with you.Cropduster-80 said:
Brazil gets a lot of crap and rightfully so, however I’m glad those rainforests aren’t here. No way they would have lasted this longmickeyrat said:
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I was reminded of an old black and white picture I saw of a giant pile of buffalo skulls I saw once when we were eradicating them. Trees wouldn’t stand a chance.tempo_n_groove said:
True. We are lucky to have walnut and maples hundreds of years old up state. Must have been too cold to settle back then.Cropduster-80 said:
Brazil is like 50% rainforest. No way we would have kept that much. During westward expansion it would have been levelledtempo_n_groove said:
The Sequoias would like a word with you.Cropduster-80 said:
Brazil gets a lot of crap and rightfully so, however I’m glad those rainforests aren’t here. No way they would have lasted this longmickeyrat said:
no idea how much rain forest it use to beReally though I understand when other countries get mad at us for telling them what they can do with their land. If the French told us what we were allowed to do with half our country that wouldn’t go over too well
they should do their part but they also haven’t gone through their destroy the environment phase we went through either0 -
Most of what you see as forests or trees, particularly in New England, is second or third growth. All them stone walls running through the woods used to be farm fields, abandoned when manufacturing came into being. We did a lot of clear cutting of forests for the ship building industry in Europe, domestic furniture production for home and abroad and heating homes during the winter. Hence, western expansion due to resource depletion as the population increased.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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I've seen some of the old houses/barns that were made w dowels to hold them in place. Some of those beams are massive so I can imagine the trees used to make them.Halifax2TheMax said:Most of what you see as forests or trees, particularly in New England, is second or third growth. All them stone walls running through the woods used to be farm fields, abandoned when manufacturing came into being. We did a lot of clear cutting of forests for the ship building industry in Europe, domestic furniture production for home and abroad and heating homes during the winter. Hence, western expansion due to resource depletion as the population increased.0 -
Field stone foundations and post and beam construction with few nails. Mostly pegs. Pure craftsmanship without power tools. I considered buying a house one time built in 1698 but the dirt floor basement and slanted floors on the second floor, plus the commute made it untenable. The land was gorgeous though. And unless there was a tornado or a fire, that house wasn’t going anywhere for another 400 years.tempo_n_groove said:
I've seen some of the old houses/barns that were made w dowels to hold them in place. Some of those beams are massive so I can imagine the trees used to make them.Halifax2TheMax said:Most of what you see as forests or trees, particularly in New England, is second or third growth. All them stone walls running through the woods used to be farm fields, abandoned when manufacturing came into being. We did a lot of clear cutting of forests for the ship building industry in Europe, domestic furniture production for home and abroad and heating homes during the winter. Hence, western expansion due to resource depletion as the population increased.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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I live about 15 minute outside of Placerville, California. Old photos of the area show forests and land decimated by gold rush westward movement. Those settlers totally trashed and abused the area, cutting down a huge percentage of trees for building towns, railroads, and mining infrastructure. Whole hillsides were washed away including a huge gash that today is still called "Big Cut". And to finish off the destruction, the native people were all killed off- for several tribes, literally all.Placerville then:
Placerville now:
Big Cut (the gap toward the right used to be flat straight across the top):
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It’s amazing people even wanted to live there.
is aesthetics a uniquely 20th century thing? Never mind the filth
even in houston which can be pretty gross, they try to make it look nice. There are trees and stuff. It hides the trash. Dallas looks even worse.Post edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
Cropduster-80 said:It’s amazing people even wanted to live there.
is aesthetics a uniquely 20th century thing? Never mind the filth
even in disgusting houston they try to make it look nice. There are trees and stuff. It hides the trash. Dallas looks even worse.It's a little amazing to me that so many people still want to live here. Most of the year it is a lot drier and less colorful than that second photo depicts (although there are brief periods where it is pretty here), the place is crawling with Trumpers, and the developers are having their way with the foothills areas here big-time.This country has really become a split personality when it comes to aesthetics (and wealth). We do seem to try to keep up the facade, but which of these, for example, best represents our closest city, Sacramento?
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That’s about right. Picture 1 looks great until you zoom inbrianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:It’s amazing people even wanted to live there.
is aesthetics a uniquely 20th century thing? Never mind the filth
even in disgusting houston they try to make it look nice. There are trees and stuff. It hides the trash. Dallas looks even worse.It's a little amazing to me that so many people still want to live here. Most of the year it is a lot drier and less colorful than that second photo depicts (although there are brief periods where it is pretty here), the place is crawling with Trumpers, and the developers are having their way with the foothills areas here big-time.This country has really become a split personality when it comes to aesthetics (and wealth). We do seem to try to keep up the facade, but which of these, for example, best represents our closest city, Sacramento?
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Cropduster-80 said:
That’s about right. Picture 1 looks great until you zoom inbrianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:It’s amazing people even wanted to live there.
is aesthetics a uniquely 20th century thing? Never mind the filth
even in disgusting houston they try to make it look nice. There are trees and stuff. It hides the trash. Dallas looks even worse.It's a little amazing to me that so many people still want to live here. Most of the year it is a lot drier and less colorful than that second photo depicts (although there are brief periods where it is pretty here), the place is crawling with Trumpers, and the developers are having their way with the foothills areas here big-time.This country has really become a split personality when it comes to aesthetics (and wealth). We do seem to try to keep up the facade, but which of these, for example, best represents our closest city, Sacramento?
same here but thankfully the homeless issue is handled pretty well. It’s one thing houston does a good job withThat's great to hear. It's not being handle well out here at all. Sacramento, San Francisco, Los Angeles, even here in Placerville, the situation is a terrible mess.This is just outside of town here:
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Sam Quinones has a new book out. The Least Of Us. kind of a natural follow up to a 2016 on opiods called Dreamland..incredible interview on WTF with Marc Maron....helps explain alot of whats being seen out there and elsewhere....
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
I tell you if I was homeless I would make my area tidy so people wouldn't fuss about me being there...brianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:
That’s about right. Picture 1 looks great until you zoom inbrianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:It’s amazing people even wanted to live there.
is aesthetics a uniquely 20th century thing? Never mind the filth
even in disgusting houston they try to make it look nice. There are trees and stuff. It hides the trash. Dallas looks even worse.It's a little amazing to me that so many people still want to live here. Most of the year it is a lot drier and less colorful than that second photo depicts (although there are brief periods where it is pretty here), the place is crawling with Trumpers, and the developers are having their way with the foothills areas here big-time.This country has really become a split personality when it comes to aesthetics (and wealth). We do seem to try to keep up the facade, but which of these, for example, best represents our closest city, Sacramento?
same here but thankfully the homeless issue is handled pretty well. It’s one thing houston does a good job withThat's great to hear. It's not being handle well out here at all. Sacramento, San Francisco, Los Angeles, even here in Placerville, the situation is a terrible mess.This is just outside of town here:
@brianlux I used to live in Santa Clarita. It was a cool place to live. You could roam the foothills and find tarantulas, trap door spiders, rattlers and racers and a whole bunch of different lizards. It has become so built up now all those areas we had free range on are now houses.
Beautiful Sand Canyon became row homes now...
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do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...Post edited by mickeyrat on_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
this is Houston’s approachmickeyrat said:do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-people.html
The difference is obvious. There use to be tent cities under bridges. Now you see a random single tent here and therePost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
Cropduster-80 said:
this is Houston’s approachmickeyrat said:do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-people.html
The difference is obvious. There use to be tent cities under bridges. Now you see a random single tent here and there
quinones goes into the reasons for it today. chiefly the explosion of meth and fentynal.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
We used to have functioning tweekers. These days we don't...mickeyrat said:Cropduster-80 said:
this is Houston’s approachmickeyrat said:do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-people.html
The difference is obvious. There use to be tent cities under bridges. Now you see a random single tent here and there
quinones goes into the reasons for it today. chiefly the explosion of meth and fentynal.0
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