We’re so doomed when the next party in power professes that wind farms give you cancer and solar power is unreliable and useless. And because you know socials.
As the tech giants compete in a global AI arms race, a frenzy of data center construction is sweeping the country. Some computing campuses require as much energy as a modest-sized city, turning tech firms that promised to lead the wayinto a clean energy future into some of the world’s most insatiable guzzlers of power. Their projected energy needs are so huge, some worry whether there will be enough electricity to meet them from any source.
Data centers, the nondescript warehouses packed with racks of servers that power the modern internet, have been around for decades. But the amount of electricity they need now is soaring because of AI. Training artificial intelligence models and using AI to execute even simple tasks involves ever more complicated, faster and voluminous computations that are straining the electricity system.
A ChatGPT-powered search on Google, according to the International Energy Agency, consumes almost 10 times the amount of electricity as a traditional search. One large data center complex in Iowa owned by Meta burns the annual equivalent amount of power as 7 million laptops running eight hours every day, based on data shared publiclyby the company.
"Worldwide bitcoin miming used 121.12 terawatt-hours of electricity in 2023. The entire country of Netherlands, with more than 17 million people, consumed 121.6 terawatt-hours in 2022, according to the international Energy Agency."
All this lead to several questions in my mind including (and this is not meant to be anti-eclectic cars), where is the energy going to come from to run these cars when places like California ban internal combustion engines? Not that this ban in-of-itself is a bad idea, but I have to wonder if the conversion to electric cars will even be feasible? Is anyone asking this questions, or are we just speeding headlong as fast as possible into the proverbial brick wall?
Honestly, I think a slow grinding of things to a near halt would be a lot better than slamming into chaos. If we go the latter route, we're in for a damn rough ride.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
We’re so doomed when the next party in power professes that wind farms give you cancer and solar power is unreliable and useless. And because you know socials.
As the tech giants compete in a global AI arms race, a frenzy of data center construction is sweeping the country. Some computing campuses require as much energy as a modest-sized city, turning tech firms that promised to lead the wayinto a clean energy future into some of the world’s most insatiable guzzlers of power. Their projected energy needs are so huge, some worry whether there will be enough electricity to meet them from any source.
Data centers, the nondescript warehouses packed with racks of servers that power the modern internet, have been around for decades. But the amount of electricity they need now is soaring because of AI. Training artificial intelligence models and using AI to execute even simple tasks involves ever more complicated, faster and voluminous computations that are straining the electricity system.
A ChatGPT-powered search on Google, according to the International Energy Agency, consumes almost 10 times the amount of electricity as a traditional search. One large data center complex in Iowa owned by Meta burns the annual equivalent amount of power as 7 million laptops running eight hours every day, based on data shared publiclyby the company.
We’re so doomed when the next party in power professes that wind farms give you cancer and solar power is unreliable and useless. And because you know socials.
As the tech giants compete in a global AI arms race, a frenzy of data center construction is sweeping the country. Some computing campuses require as much energy as a modest-sized city, turning tech firms that promised to lead the wayinto a clean energy future into some of the world’s most insatiable guzzlers of power. Their projected energy needs are so huge, some worry whether there will be enough electricity to meet them from any source.
Data centers, the nondescript warehouses packed with racks of servers that power the modern internet, have been around for decades. But the amount of electricity they need now is soaring because of AI. Training artificial intelligence models and using AI to execute even simple tasks involves ever more complicated, faster and voluminous computations that are straining the electricity system.
A ChatGPT-powered search on Google, according to the International Energy Agency, consumes almost 10 times the amount of electricity as a traditional search. One large data center complex in Iowa owned by Meta burns the annual equivalent amount of power as 7 million laptops running eight hours every day, based on data shared publiclyby the company.
"Worldwide bitcoin miming used 121.12 terawatt-hours of electricity in 2023. The entire country of Netherlands, with more than 17 million people, consumed 121.6 terawatt-hours in 2022, according to the international Energy Agency."
All this lead to several questions in my mind including (and this is not meant to be anti-eclectic cars), where is the energy going to come from to run these cars when places like California ban internal combustion engines? Not that this ban in-of-itself is a bad idea, but I have to wonder if the conversion to electric cars will even be feasible? Is anyone asking this questions, or are we just speeding headlong as fast as possible into the proverbial brick wall?
Honestly, I think a slow grinding of things to a near halt would be a lot better than slamming into chaos. If we go the latter route, we're in for a damn rough ride.
It seems ICE will be around for a while and EVs will take longer than predicted a few years ago. At least three things must happen before EVs have a chance- 1. Cost to ICE cars must be comparable. 2. Recharging battery must be easy to find and quick. 3. Need to be able to get the EV repaired anywhere. We are very far from achieving these milestones.
Regarding all of the electricity generated for bitcoins, saw an interesting video about how Paris is using something similar, the energy used from data/server farms for internet usage to generate heat :
About climate change in general, this can’t be said enough.the politics are slippery. Republicans argue if you hop on a plane often, you are really not THAT concerned about the climate. Looking at “liberal” bands like U2 and d and c, drawing hundreds of thousands of fans cross country into a Vegas desert, instead of a small crew traveling with a band, this needlessly burns more carbon than a small city, a complete waste, yet the liberals seem to not care.
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We’re so doomed when the next party in power professes that wind farms give you cancer and solar power is unreliable and useless. And because you know socials.
As the tech giants compete in a global AI arms race, a frenzy of data center construction is sweeping the country. Some computing campuses require as much energy as a modest-sized city, turning tech firms that promised to lead the wayinto a clean energy future into some of the world’s most insatiable guzzlers of power. Their projected energy needs are so huge, some worry whether there will be enough electricity to meet them from any source.
Data centers, the nondescript warehouses packed with racks of servers that power the modern internet, have been around for decades. But the amount of electricity they need now is soaring because of AI. Training artificial intelligence models and using AI to execute even simple tasks involves ever more complicated, faster and voluminous computations that are straining the electricity system.
A ChatGPT-powered search on Google, according to the International Energy Agency, consumes almost 10 times the amount of electricity as a traditional search. One large data center complex in Iowa owned by Meta burns the annual equivalent amount of power as 7 million laptops running eight hours every day, based on data shared publiclyby the company.
"Worldwide bitcoin miming used 121.12 terawatt-hours of electricity in 2023. The entire country of Netherlands, with more than 17 million people, consumed 121.6 terawatt-hours in 2022, according to the international Energy Agency."
All this lead to several questions in my mind including (and this is not meant to be anti-eclectic cars), where is the energy going to come from to run these cars when places like California ban internal combustion engines? Not that this ban in-of-itself is a bad idea, but I have to wonder if the conversion to electric cars will even be feasible? Is anyone asking this questions, or are we just speeding headlong as fast as possible into the proverbial brick wall?
Honestly, I think a slow grinding of things to a near halt would be a lot better than slamming into chaos. If we go the latter route, we're in for a damn rough ride.
It seems ICE will be around for a while and EVs will take longer than predicted a few years ago. At least three things must happen before EVs have a chance- 1. Cost to ICE cars must be comparable. 2. Recharging battery must be easy to find and quick. 3. Need to be able to get the EV repaired anywhere. We are very far from achieving these milestones.
Regarding all of the electricity generated for bitcoins, saw an interesting video about how Paris is using something similar, the energy used from data/server farms for internet usage to generate heat :
About climate change in general, this can’t be said enough.the politics are slippery. Republicans argue if you hop on a plane often, you are really not THAT concerned about the climate. Looking at “liberal” bands like U2 and d and c, drawing hundreds of thousands of fans cross country into a Vegas desert, instead of a small crew traveling with a band, this needlessly burns more carbon than a small city, a complete waste, yet the liberals seem to not care.
I don't like to admit this, but I don't believe politics or rock bands are going to do much to lessen the impact of global warming. Democrats are more likely to pass environmentally friendly legislation and I don't think that can be argued, but it's not going to be enough. we've already seen that. We've known about global warming for decades (some of us started talking about to 40 or more years ago). Republicans care even less about environment.
And rock bands like Pearl Jam and Neil Young either need to get real about global warming or stop talking about it. When it comes to their music, I love them both for the rich trove of great music they have added to our lives. But the big shows with semi trailers hauling tons of shit around the planet, the over-blown excessive packaging of single albums in gatefold covers with all the other ephemera that gets stuffed in them... Give me a break, guys.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
We’re so doomed when the next party in power professes that wind farms give you cancer and solar power is unreliable and useless. And because you know socials.
As the tech giants compete in a global AI arms race, a frenzy of data center construction is sweeping the country. Some computing campuses require as much energy as a modest-sized city, turning tech firms that promised to lead the wayinto a clean energy future into some of the world’s most insatiable guzzlers of power. Their projected energy needs are so huge, some worry whether there will be enough electricity to meet them from any source.
Data centers, the nondescript warehouses packed with racks of servers that power the modern internet, have been around for decades. But the amount of electricity they need now is soaring because of AI. Training artificial intelligence models and using AI to execute even simple tasks involves ever more complicated, faster and voluminous computations that are straining the electricity system.
A ChatGPT-powered search on Google, according to the International Energy Agency, consumes almost 10 times the amount of electricity as a traditional search. One large data center complex in Iowa owned by Meta burns the annual equivalent amount of power as 7 million laptops running eight hours every day, based on data shared publiclyby the company.
"Worldwide bitcoin miming used 121.12 terawatt-hours of electricity in 2023. The entire country of Netherlands, with more than 17 million people, consumed 121.6 terawatt-hours in 2022, according to the international Energy Agency."
All this lead to several questions in my mind including (and this is not meant to be anti-eclectic cars), where is the energy going to come from to run these cars when places like California ban internal combustion engines? Not that this ban in-of-itself is a bad idea, but I have to wonder if the conversion to electric cars will even be feasible? Is anyone asking this questions, or are we just speeding headlong as fast as possible into the proverbial brick wall?
Honestly, I think a slow grinding of things to a near halt would be a lot better than slamming into chaos. If we go the latter route, we're in for a damn rough ride.
It seems ICE will be around for a while and EVs will take longer than predicted a few years ago. At least three things must happen before EVs have a chance- 1. Cost to ICE cars must be comparable. 2. Recharging battery must be easy to find and quick. 3. Need to be able to get the EV repaired anywhere. We are very far from achieving these milestones.
Regarding all of the electricity generated for bitcoins, saw an interesting video about how Paris is using something similar, the energy used from data/server farms for internet usage to generate heat :
About climate change in general, this can’t be said enough.the politics are slippery. Republicans argue if you hop on a plane often, you are really not THAT concerned about the climate. Looking at “liberal” bands like U2 and d and c, drawing hundreds of thousands of fans cross country into a Vegas desert, instead of a small crew traveling with a band, this needlessly burns more carbon than a small city, a complete waste, yet the liberals seem to not care.
were flights added to accommodate the fans traveling to those shows in vegas or elsewhere?
you know, adding more pollution to the earth than is generated daily from the airline industry before or after that venue was built?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
November may not matter and 2025 certainly won’t if it’s drill baby drill time.
Sunday was the hottest day ever recorded on Earth, scientists say
The historic day comes on the heels of 13 straight months of unprecedented temperatures and the hottest year scientists have ever seen.
Global temperatures hit the highest levels in recorded history on Sunday, according to preliminary data from Europe’s top climate monitor — another worrying sign of how human-caused climate changeis pushing the planet into dangerous new territory.
The results from the Copernicus Climate Change Service show the planet’s average temperature on July 21 was 17.09 degrees Celsius (62.76 degrees Fahrenheit) — breaking a record set only last year. The historic day comes on the heels of 13 straight months of unprecedented temperatures and the hottest year scientists have ever seen.
“We are in truly uncharted territory,” Copernicus director Carlo Buontempo said in a statement. “And as the climate keeps warming, we are bound to see records being broken in future months and years.”
Though Sunday was only slightly warmer than the world’s previous hottest day, Copernicus researchers noted, it was extraordinarily hotter than anything that came before. Before July 2023, Earth’s daily average temperature record — set in August 2016 — was 16.8 degrees Celsius (62.24 degrees Fahrenheit). But in the past year, the global has exceeded that old record on 57 days.
“What is truly staggering is how large the difference is between the temperature of the last 13 months and the previous temperature records,” Buontempo said.
Scientists have been tracking global temperatures only for the past few centuries. Yet there is good reason to believe that Sunday was the hottest day on Earth since the start of the last Ice Age more than 100,000 years ago. Research from paleoclimate scientists — who use tree rings, ice cores, lake sediments and other ancient material to understand past environments — suggests that recent heat would have been all but impossible over the last stretch of geologic time.
Sunday’s record-setting heat was felt on nearly every continent. Huge swaths of Asia sweltered amid scorching days and dangerously hot nights. Triple-digit temperatures in the western United States fueled out-of-control wildfires. Around much of Antarctica, Copernicus data show, temperatures were as much as 12 degrees Celsius (22 degrees Fahrenheit) above normal.
The unrelenting heat has scientists increasingly convinced that this year could prove even hotter than last. In an analysis published last week, researchers at the climate science nonprofit Berkeley Earth estimated that 2024 has a 92 percent chance of setting a new annual heat record. The average temperature for the year is almost certain to exceed 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 Fahrenheit) above preindustrial levels — surpassing what scientists say is the threshold for tolerable warming.
“It is troubling but not surprising that we are hitting record temperatures this year,” Andrew Pershing, vice president for science at the nonprofit Climate Central, wrote in an email. “We continue to add carbon pollution to the atmosphere, so global temperatures will continue to go up.”
November may not matter and 2025 certainly won’t if it’s drill baby drill time.
Sunday was the hottest day ever recorded on Earth, scientists say
The historic day comes on the heels of 13 straight months of unprecedented temperatures and the hottest year scientists have ever seen.
Global temperatures hit the highest levels in recorded history on Sunday, according to preliminary data from Europe’s top climate monitor — another worrying sign of how human-caused climate changeis pushing the planet into dangerous new territory.
The results from the Copernicus Climate Change Service show the planet’s average temperature on July 21 was 17.09 degrees Celsius (62.76 degrees Fahrenheit) — breaking a record set only last year. The historic day comes on the heels of 13 straight months of unprecedented temperatures and the hottest year scientists have ever seen.
“We are in truly uncharted territory,” Copernicus director Carlo Buontempo said in a statement. “And as the climate keeps warming, we are bound to see records being broken in future months and years.”
Though Sunday was only slightly warmer than the world’s previous hottest day, Copernicus researchers noted, it was extraordinarily hotter than anything that came before. Before July 2023, Earth’s daily average temperature record — set in August 2016 — was 16.8 degrees Celsius (62.24 degrees Fahrenheit). But in the past year, the global has exceeded that old record on 57 days.
“What is truly staggering is how large the difference is between the temperature of the last 13 months and the previous temperature records,” Buontempo said.
Scientists have been tracking global temperatures only for the past few centuries. Yet there is good reason to believe that Sunday was the hottest day on Earth since the start of the last Ice Age more than 100,000 years ago. Research from paleoclimate scientists — who use tree rings, ice cores, lake sediments and other ancient material to understand past environments — suggests that recent heat would have been all but impossible over the last stretch of geologic time.
Sunday’s record-setting heat was felt on nearly every continent. Huge swaths of Asia sweltered amid scorching days and dangerously hot nights. Triple-digit temperatures in the western United States fueled out-of-control wildfires. Around much of Antarctica, Copernicus data show, temperatures were as much as 12 degrees Celsius (22 degrees Fahrenheit) above normal.
The unrelenting heat has scientists increasingly convinced that this year could prove even hotter than last. In an analysis published last week, researchers at the climate science nonprofit Berkeley Earth estimated that 2024 has a 92 percent chance of setting a new annual heat record. The average temperature for the year is almost certain to exceed 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 Fahrenheit) above preindustrial levels — surpassing what scientists say is the threshold for tolerable warming.
“It is troubling but not surprising that we are hitting record temperatures this year,” Andrew Pershing, vice president for science at the nonprofit Climate Central, wrote in an email. “We continue to add carbon pollution to the atmosphere, so global temperatures will continue to go up.”
As well all know, local weather is not the same as global climate. But that said, we sure have had our fill of global warming this summer. Another 104 in the shade today. It's been an unrelentingly hot summer already. Sounds like we're not along.
And yet people keep flying. Jet boats keep muddying the waters and polluting the air. Massive cruise ship, the same time a million. Bands keep touring with semi trailers full of gear and props. Factories keep producing made-to-fail planned obsolescent products we want but don't need. And all the while, the planet burns.
But nature bats last.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
And about those windmills. Make your plans. Make your peace. Spend it if you got it.
Earth just sweltered through the hottest summer in recorded history
Amid an onslaught of lethal heat, surging disease and record-breaking storms, global temperatures this summer climbed to the highest levels on record, according to Europe’s top climate agency.
Global temperatures between June and August were 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 degrees Fahrenheit) above the preindustrial average, the Copernicus Climate Change Service said Friday — just edging out the previous record set last summer. The sweltering season reached its apex in late July, when Copernicus’s sophisticated temperature analysis program detected the four hottest days ever recorded.
Meanwhile, temperatures for the year to date have far exceeded anything seen in the agency’s more than 80 years of recordkeeping, making it all but certain that 2024 will be the hottest year known to science.
To Copernicus director Carlo Buontempo, the onslaught of broken records is sobering but not surprising. Humanity continues to burn fossil fuels at an ever-increasing pace, and the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is higher than the world has seen in roughly 3 million years, according to the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
“If you keep doing the same thing, you cannot expect to get any different result,” Buontempo said. “Unless we limit greenhouse gases we will only see an exacerbation of these temperatures.”
This summer came on the heels of an unprecedented year-long stretch in which Earth’s temperature repeatedly met or exceeded 1.5 degrees Celsius above the preindustrial average — a threshold scientists say the world cannot surpass if it hopes to avoid the worst consequences of climate change. The scorching conditions were the product of a complex cocktail of human-caused climate change and a strong El Niño event — a natural phenomenon characterized by warm temperatures in the Pacific Ocean.
Though this El Niño was declared over in June, huge amounts of energy remained trapped in the Earth system, Buontempo said, fueling the summer’s extraordinary temperatures.
The consequences were felt by people on every continent, from world-class athletes competing in the Paris Olympics to refugeesfleeing from wars. Wildfires fueled by heat and drought raged through the Brazilian Pantanal, a vital wetland known to store vast amounts of carbon. A turbocharged monsoon triggered landslides that killed hundreds of people in India’s Kerala state. The Atlantic Ocean saw its earliest Category 5 hurricane on record, while deadly floods have wreaked havoc from Italy to Pakistan to Nigeria to China.
It was a summer of unrelenting humidity and heat too extreme for the human body to withstand. In June, at least 1,300 pilgrims visiting the Muslim holy city of Mecca diedamid temperatures of 50 degrees Celsius (122 degrees Fahrenheit). Another 125 people were reported dead in Mexico during a July streak of exceedingly hot nights that researchers say was made 200 times as likely because of climate change. And in the Arctic archipelago of Svalbard, one of the world’s northernmost inhabited areas, August temperatures soaredmore than 2.5 degrees Celsius (4.5 degrees Fahrenheit) above the previous record.
Some of the most unusual heat this summer occurred in Antarctica, where plumes of warm air disrupted the deep freeze of the six-month polar night. Temperatures on the continent spiked about 28 degrees Celsius (50 degrees Fahrenheit) above usual levels, and the surrounding sea ice shrank to nearly unprecedented lows.
The changes in Antarctica are especially eye-opening, Buontempo said, because the region has historically been isolated from the rest of the warming planet by a strong polar vortex and the swirling Southern Ocean.
“This is very different from what we have seen in the past,” Buontempo said. “Even people working on sea ice are puzzled by the extent and the rapidity of the decline.”
When Earth’s four hottest days were recorded in July, climate scientist Johan Rockström told The Post that the planet was probably the warmest it has been since the last ice age began more than 100,000 years ago. Climate clues contained in ice cores, lake sediments and tree rings show that global temperatures are shifting out of the range they’ve occupied for most of human history.
“We’re scratching 1.5 [degrees above preindustrial], and we’ve experienced how it hurts the economy, people and societies across the entire world,” said Rockström, director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research.
“But within five to 10 years ... what we’re experiencing right now will be looked back upon as a mild year,” he added. “We are inevitably in for a rough ride.”
From the comments section of the above WaPo article ^^^^^^^^^
Anton Chekhov from his play, Uncle Vanya (1897):
"Astrov- You can burn peat in your stoves and build your barns of stone. Oh, I don't object, of course, to cutting wood when you have to, but why destroy the forests? The woods of Russia are trembling under the blows of the ax. Millions of trees have perished. The homes of the wild animals and the birds have been laid desolate; the rivers are shrinking, and many beautiful landscapes are gone forever. And why? Because men are too lazy and short-sighted to stoop and pick their fuel from the ground. Am I not right? Who but a senseless barbarian could burn so much beauty in his stove and destroy what he cannot create himself? Man has reason and creative energy so that he may increase his possessions. Until now, though, he has not created but destroyed. The forests are disappearing, the rivers are drying up, the game is being exterminated, the climate is spoiled and the earth becomes poorer and uglier every day. I read irony in your eye; you do not take seriously what I am saying; and -- and -- perhaps I am talking nonsense. But when I cross peasant-forests which I have saved from the ax, or hear the rustling of the young trees which I have set out with my own hands, I feel as if I had had some small share in improving the climate, and that if mankind is happy a thousand years from now I shall have been partly responsible in my small way for their happiness. When I plant a young birch tree and see it budding and swaying in the wind, my heart swells with pride and I -- however -- I must be off. Probably it is all nonsense, anyhow. Goodbye."
The great Russian writer Anton Chekhov saw climate change coming 127 years ago. He wrote this play only 11 years before the automobile first saw the light of day..
From the comments section of the above WaPo article ^^^^^^^^^
Anton Chekhov from his play, Uncle Vanya (1897):
"Astrov- You can burn peat in your stoves and build your barns of stone. Oh, I don't object, of course, to cutting wood when you have to, but why destroy the forests? The woods of Russia are trembling under the blows of the ax. Millions of trees have perished. The homes of the wild animals and the birds have been laid desolate; the rivers are shrinking, and many beautiful landscapes are gone forever. And why? Because men are too lazy and short-sighted to stoop and pick their fuel from the ground. Am I not right? Who but a senseless barbarian could burn so much beauty in his stove and destroy what he cannot create himself? Man has reason and creative energy so that he may increase his possessions. Until now, though, he has not created but destroyed. The forests are disappearing, the rivers are drying up, the game is being exterminated, the climate is spoiled and the earth becomes poorer and uglier every day. I read irony in your eye; you do not take seriously what I am saying; and -- and -- perhaps I am talking nonsense. But when I cross peasant-forests which I have saved from the ax, or hear the rustling of the young trees which I have set out with my own hands, I feel as if I had had some small share in improving the climate, and that if mankind is happy a thousand years from now I shall have been partly responsible in my small way for their happiness. When I plant a young birch tree and see it budding and swaying in the wind, my heart swells with pride and I -- however -- I must be off. Probably it is all nonsense, anyhow. Goodbye."
The great Russian writer Anton Chekhov saw climate change coming 127 years ago. He wrote this play only 11 years before the automobile first saw the light of day..
Thanks for posting that!
We have had so many warning from a host of well published thinkers since the advent of the industrial revolution some 200 years ago. But we didn't listen. We didn't respond. We didn't act- at least not enough to make a sizable enough difference.
And even now and even here where people care, we spend more of our time and energy talking about social and political issues. Meanwhile, the planet burns and our future becomes more and more challenging.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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It's a sad story really. Humans have trashed the planet to an incredible extent since the advent of the industrial revolution and that trashing has increased on an exponential scale. With a little luck and as much continued advocacy as we can muster, we might slow the decline some, but it's difficult to be optimistic about that. My guess is the worst case scenario is human extinction due to our own reckless greed, but I think a more likely outcome will be an increased loss of life, particularly in the poverty stricken regions of the planet. a lower standard of living for all but a small elite group of people, and a slow regeneration after a long period of social chaos.
The article states, "The consequences will be even more catastrophic without urgent action," but we hear and read those same words over and over. Almost every article I've read on environment and climate change over the last several years eventually gets around to mentioning the need for "urgent action". At some point it becomes, "Oops, too late."
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
It's a sad story really. Humans have trashed the planet to an incredible extent since the advent of the industrial revolution and that trashing has increased on an exponential scale. With a little luck and as much continued advocacy as we can muster, we might slow the decline some, but it's difficult to be optimistic about that. My guess is the worst case scenario is human extinction due to our own reckless greed, but I think a more likely outcome will be an increased loss of life, particularly in the poverty stricken regions of the planet. a lower standard of living for all but a small elite group of people, and a slow regeneration after a long period of social chaos.
The article states, "The consequences will be even more catastrophic without urgent action," but we hear and read those same words over and over. Almost every article I've read on environment and climate change over the last several years eventually gets around to mentioning the need for "urgent action". At some point it becomes, "Oops, too late."
Al Gore tried to tell us in 2000, 24 years ago. Crop and water scarcity will lead to massive population shifts resulting in conflict. Technology won’t bail us out in time.
It's a sad story really. Humans have trashed the planet to an incredible extent since the advent of the industrial revolution and that trashing has increased on an exponential scale. With a little luck and as much continued advocacy as we can muster, we might slow the decline some, but it's difficult to be optimistic about that. My guess is the worst case scenario is human extinction due to our own reckless greed, but I think a more likely outcome will be an increased loss of life, particularly in the poverty stricken regions of the planet. a lower standard of living for all but a small elite group of people, and a slow regeneration after a long period of social chaos.
The article states, "The consequences will be even more catastrophic without urgent action," but we hear and read those same words over and over. Almost every article I've read on environment and climate change over the last several years eventually gets around to mentioning the need for "urgent action". At some point it becomes, "Oops, too late."
Al Gore tried to tell us in 2000, 24 years ago. Crop and water scarcity will lead to massive population shifts resulting in conflict. Technology won’t bail us out in time.
And how tragic that not enough had been done since.
Going back even further, in 1975 Wallace Broecker published a paper titled, "Climate Change: Are we on the Brink of a Pronounced Global Warming?" And in 1988, NASA scientist James Henson testified before congress regarding his research showing that global warming was being caused by the greenhouse effect.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
It's a sad story really. Humans have trashed the planet to an incredible extent since the advent of the industrial revolution and that trashing has increased on an exponential scale. With a little luck and as much continued advocacy as we can muster, we might slow the decline some, but it's difficult to be optimistic about that. My guess is the worst case scenario is human extinction due to our own reckless greed, but I think a more likely outcome will be an increased loss of life, particularly in the poverty stricken regions of the planet. a lower standard of living for all but a small elite group of people, and a slow regeneration after a long period of social chaos.
The article states, "The consequences will be even more catastrophic without urgent action," but we hear and read those same words over and over. Almost every article I've read on environment and climate change over the last several years eventually gets around to mentioning the need for "urgent action". At some point it becomes, "Oops, too late."
Al Gore tried to tell us in 2000, 24 years ago. Crop and water scarcity will lead to massive population shifts resulting in conflict. Technology won’t bail us out in time.
And how tragic that not enough had been done since.
Going back even further, in 1975 Wallace Broecker published a paper titled, "Climate Change: Are we on the Brink of a Pronounced Global Warming?" And in 1988, NASA scientist James Henson testified before congress regarding his research showing that global warming was being caused by the greenhouse effect.
And Jimmy Carter was ridiculed for putting solar panels on the White House and one of Ronny Rayguns first acts was to have them removed.
It's a sad story really. Humans have trashed the planet to an incredible extent since the advent of the industrial revolution and that trashing has increased on an exponential scale. With a little luck and as much continued advocacy as we can muster, we might slow the decline some, but it's difficult to be optimistic about that. My guess is the worst case scenario is human extinction due to our own reckless greed, but I think a more likely outcome will be an increased loss of life, particularly in the poverty stricken regions of the planet. a lower standard of living for all but a small elite group of people, and a slow regeneration after a long period of social chaos.
The article states, "The consequences will be even more catastrophic without urgent action," but we hear and read those same words over and over. Almost every article I've read on environment and climate change over the last several years eventually gets around to mentioning the need for "urgent action". At some point it becomes, "Oops, too late."
Al Gore tried to tell us in 2000, 24 years ago. Crop and water scarcity will lead to massive population shifts resulting in conflict. Technology won’t bail us out in time.
And how tragic that not enough had been done since.
Going back even further, in 1975 Wallace Broecker published a paper titled, "Climate Change: Are we on the Brink of a Pronounced Global Warming?" And in 1988, NASA scientist James Henson testified before congress regarding his research showing that global warming was being caused by the greenhouse effect.
And Jimmy Carter was ridiculed for putting solar panels on the White House and one of Ronny Rayguns first acts was to have them removed.
Ugh! I forgot about that. Yeah, really bad movie on Ronnie's part.
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Besides the understandable doom and gloom of climate change et al, I think it's important to maintain some hope and in particular, do something, anything, that is helpful.
So it's almost embarrassing to admit that it took so long for my wife and I
to do something we did yesterday to cut down on plastic, but it's a great
idea, so here it is:
A couple of weeks ago, we had lunch out and instead of
sharing something like we often do, we had two different items. Which
meant, of course, too much food for one meal, so we doggy bagged what we
didn't eat. And of course, doggy bagging means more plastic or Styrofoam. Bit then the ridiculously obvious hit us-- why don't we just bring our own
containers? So when we got home, we re-washed some reusable plastic
containers (that we already had), and put them in clean bag which we
twist-tired shut, and placed them in the back of the car.
Now when we go out, we take the bagged containers into the restaurant
with us and reuse them to take home left-overs. Wash, rinse, repeat. No more extra
plastic or Styrofoam take-home containers.
Yes, face palm for taking so long to think of this, but ya know, it feels great to be doing this!
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Besides the understandable doom and gloom of climate change et al, I think it's important to maintain some hope and in particular, do something, anything, that is helpful.
So it's almost embarrassing to admit that it took so long for my wife and I
to do something we did yesterday to cut down on plastic, but it's a great
idea, so here it is:
A couple of weeks ago, we had lunch out and instead of
sharing something like we often do, we had two different items. Which
meant, of course, too much food for one meal, so we doggy bagged what we
didn't eat. And of course, doggy bagging means more plastic or Styrofoam. Bit then the ridiculously obvious hit us-- why don't we just bring our own
containers? So when we got home, we re-washed some reusable plastic
containers (that we already had), and put them in clean bag which we
twist-tired shut, and placed them in the back of the car.
Now when we go out, we take the bagged containers into the restaurant
with us and reuse them to take home left-overs. Wash, rinse, repeat. No more extra
plastic or Styrofoam take-home containers.
Yes, face palm for taking so long to think of this, but ya know, it feels great to be doing this!
I thought of this years ago...and have never once done it. :(
I never think of it when its time to go...
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brianlux
Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,340
Besides the understandable doom and gloom of climate change et al, I think it's important to maintain some hope and in particular, do something, anything, that is helpful.
So it's almost embarrassing to admit that it took so long for my wife and I
to do something we did yesterday to cut down on plastic, but it's a great
idea, so here it is:
A couple of weeks ago, we had lunch out and instead of
sharing something like we often do, we had two different items. Which
meant, of course, too much food for one meal, so we doggy bagged what we
didn't eat. And of course, doggy bagging means more plastic or Styrofoam. Bit then the ridiculously obvious hit us-- why don't we just bring our own
containers? So when we got home, we re-washed some reusable plastic
containers (that we already had), and put them in clean bag which we
twist-tired shut, and placed them in the back of the car.
Now when we go out, we take the bagged containers into the restaurant
with us and reuse them to take home left-overs. Wash, rinse, repeat. No more extra
plastic or Styrofoam take-home containers.
Yes, face palm for taking so long to think of this, but ya know, it feels great to be doing this!
I thought of this years ago...and have never once done it. :(
I never think of it when its time to go...
My wife admitted she had thought of it as well but then never got around to it. Once we talked about it, I remembered we had some plastic to-go containers that hadn't been recycled yet, so I washed the pair of them, put them in a plastic bag (yeah, more plastic, lol), twist tied the bag shut, and keep it in the car. We went out to lunch a couple of days ago and brought left-overs home in those containers and it was such a good feeling not to be adding more plastic to the environment. The containers and clean and back in the car for another go. It's a small thing, but just think how much plastic would be save if enough people did this. That little act could become a huge savings in plastic!
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yet they are force feeding AI down our throats.
I have yet to use any AI(to my knowledge) programs and would hope not to.
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Regarding all of the electricity generated for bitcoins, saw an interesting video about how Paris is using something similar, the energy used from data/server farms for internet usage to generate heat :
https://youtu.be/2gWudPtN6z4?si=4e1BxQKXm6uU4z9n
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Sunday was the hottest day ever recorded on Earth, scientists say
The historic day comes on the heels of 13 straight months of unprecedented temperatures and the hottest year scientists have ever seen.
Global temperatures hit the highest levels in recorded history on Sunday, according to preliminary data from Europe’s top climate monitor — another worrying sign of how human-caused climate changeis pushing the planet into dangerous new territory.
The results from the Copernicus Climate Change Service show the planet’s average temperature on July 21 was 17.09 degrees Celsius (62.76 degrees Fahrenheit) — breaking a record set only last year. The historic day comes on the heels of 13 straight months of unprecedented temperatures and the hottest year scientists have ever seen.
“We are in truly uncharted territory,” Copernicus director Carlo Buontempo said in a statement. “And as the climate keeps warming, we are bound to see records being broken in future months and years.”
Though Sunday was only slightly warmer than the world’s previous hottest day, Copernicus researchers noted, it was extraordinarily hotter than anything that came before. Before July 2023, Earth’s daily average temperature record — set in August 2016 — was 16.8 degrees Celsius (62.24 degrees Fahrenheit). But in the past year, the global has exceeded that old record on 57 days.
“What is truly staggering is how large the difference is between the temperature of the last 13 months and the previous temperature records,” Buontempo said.
Scientists have been tracking global temperatures only for the past few centuries. Yet there is good reason to believe that Sunday was the hottest day on Earth since the start of the last Ice Age more than 100,000 years ago. Research from paleoclimate scientists — who use tree rings, ice cores, lake sediments and other ancient material to understand past environments — suggests that recent heat would have been all but impossible over the last stretch of geologic time.
Sunday’s record-setting heat was felt on nearly every continent. Huge swaths of Asia sweltered amid scorching days and dangerously hot nights. Triple-digit temperatures in the western United States fueled out-of-control wildfires. Around much of Antarctica, Copernicus data show, temperatures were as much as 12 degrees Celsius (22 degrees Fahrenheit) above normal.
According to the National Centers for Environmental Information, 550 places around the planet saw record high daily temperatures in the last 7 days alone.
The unrelenting heat has scientists increasingly convinced that this year could prove even hotter than last. In an analysis published last week, researchers at the climate science nonprofit Berkeley Earth estimated that 2024 has a 92 percent chance of setting a new annual heat record. The average temperature for the year is almost certain to exceed 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 Fahrenheit) above preindustrial levels — surpassing what scientists say is the threshold for tolerable warming.
“It is troubling but not surprising that we are hitting record temperatures this year,” Andrew Pershing, vice president for science at the nonprofit Climate Central, wrote in an email. “We continue to add carbon pollution to the atmosphere, so global temperatures will continue to go up.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/07/23/hottest-day-ever-recorded-climate-change/
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Earth just sweltered through the hottest summer in recorded history
Amid an onslaught of lethal heat, surging disease and record-breaking storms, global temperatures this summer climbed to the highest levels on record, according to Europe’s top climate agency.
As floodwaters coursed through Texas and Taiwan, as mosquito-borne viruses spread across the Americas, as lethal heat struck down children on hikes and grandparents on pilgrimage, the world’s average temperature this summer soared to the highest level in record history, according to new data from Europe’s top climate agency.
Global temperatures between June and August were 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 degrees Fahrenheit) above the preindustrial average, the Copernicus Climate Change Service said Friday — just edging out the previous record set last summer. The sweltering season reached its apex in late July, when Copernicus’s sophisticated temperature analysis program detected the four hottest days ever recorded.
Meanwhile, temperatures for the year to date have far exceeded anything seen in the agency’s more than 80 years of recordkeeping, making it all but certain that 2024 will be the hottest year known to science.
To Copernicus director Carlo Buontempo, the onslaught of broken records is sobering but not surprising. Humanity continues to burn fossil fuels at an ever-increasing pace, and the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is higher than the world has seen in roughly 3 million years, according to the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
“If you keep doing the same thing, you cannot expect to get any different result,” Buontempo said. “Unless we limit greenhouse gases we will only see an exacerbation of these temperatures.”
This summer came on the heels of an unprecedented year-long stretch in which Earth’s temperature repeatedly met or exceeded 1.5 degrees Celsius above the preindustrial average — a threshold scientists say the world cannot surpass if it hopes to avoid the worst consequences of climate change. The scorching conditions were the product of a complex cocktail of human-caused climate change and a strong El Niño event — a natural phenomenon characterized by warm temperatures in the Pacific Ocean.
Though this El Niño was declared over in June, huge amounts of energy remained trapped in the Earth system, Buontempo said, fueling the summer’s extraordinary temperatures.
The consequences were felt by people on every continent, from world-class athletes competing in the Paris Olympics to refugeesfleeing from wars. Wildfires fueled by heat and drought raged through the Brazilian Pantanal, a vital wetland known to store vast amounts of carbon. A turbocharged monsoon triggered landslides that killed hundreds of people in India’s Kerala state. The Atlantic Ocean saw its earliest Category 5 hurricane on record, while deadly floods have wreaked havoc from Italy to Pakistan to Nigeria to China.
It was a summer of unrelenting humidity and heat too extreme for the human body to withstand. In June, at least 1,300 pilgrims visiting the Muslim holy city of Mecca diedamid temperatures of 50 degrees Celsius (122 degrees Fahrenheit). Another 125 people were reported dead in Mexico during a July streak of exceedingly hot nights that researchers say was made 200 times as likely because of climate change. And in the Arctic archipelago of Svalbard, one of the world’s northernmost inhabited areas, August temperatures soaredmore than 2.5 degrees Celsius (4.5 degrees Fahrenheit) above the previous record.
Nearly 7,000 weather stations in the United States broke daily temperature records between June 1 and Aug. 31, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. The heat has been blamed for dozens of fatalities, including those of a motorcyclist riding in Death Valley, an infant on a boat trip in Arizona and a California man who collapsed inside his un-air-conditioned home. In Maricopa County, Ariz. — one of the few jurisdictions to methodically track and report on the problem — officials have attributed at least 177 deaths this year to heat-related causes.
Some of the most unusual heat this summer occurred in Antarctica, where plumes of warm air disrupted the deep freeze of the six-month polar night. Temperatures on the continent spiked about 28 degrees Celsius (50 degrees Fahrenheit) above usual levels, and the surrounding sea ice shrank to nearly unprecedented lows.
The changes in Antarctica are especially eye-opening, Buontempo said, because the region has historically been isolated from the rest of the warming planet by a strong polar vortex and the swirling Southern Ocean.
But since 2023, the extent of sea ice around Antarctica has been about 1 million to 2 million square kilometers less than in any year since satellite observations began.
“This is very different from what we have seen in the past,” Buontempo said. “Even people working on sea ice are puzzled by the extent and the rapidity of the decline.”
When Earth’s four hottest days were recorded in July, climate scientist Johan Rockström told The Post that the planet was probably the warmest it has been since the last ice age began more than 100,000 years ago. Climate clues contained in ice cores, lake sediments and tree rings show that global temperatures are shifting out of the range they’ve occupied for most of human history.
“We’re scratching 1.5 [degrees above preindustrial], and we’ve experienced how it hurts the economy, people and societies across the entire world,” said Rockström, director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research.
“But within five to 10 years ... what we’re experiencing right now will be looked back upon as a mild year,” he added. “We are inevitably in for a rough ride.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/09/05/hottest-summer-record-heatwave-global-temperature/
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"Astrov- You can burn peat in your stoves and build your barns of stone. Oh, I don't object, of course, to cutting wood when you have to, but why destroy the forests? The woods of Russia are trembling under the blows of the ax. Millions of trees have perished. The homes of the wild animals and the birds have been laid desolate; the rivers are shrinking, and many beautiful landscapes are gone forever. And why? Because men are too lazy and short-sighted to stoop and pick their fuel from the ground. Am I not right? Who but a senseless barbarian could burn so much beauty in his stove and destroy what he cannot create himself? Man has reason and creative energy so that he may increase his possessions. Until now, though, he has not created but destroyed. The forests are disappearing, the rivers are drying up, the game is being exterminated, the climate is spoiled and the earth becomes poorer and uglier every day. I read irony in your eye; you do not take seriously what I am saying; and -- and -- perhaps I am talking nonsense. But when I cross peasant-forests which I have saved from the ax, or hear the rustling of the young trees which I have set out with my own hands, I feel as if I had had some small share in improving the climate, and that if mankind is happy a thousand years from now I shall have been partly responsible in my small way for their happiness. When I plant a young birch tree and see it budding and swaying in the wind, my heart swells with pride and I -- however -- I must be off. Probably it is all nonsense, anyhow. Goodbye."
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
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https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/16/climate/global-water-cycle-off-balance-food-production/index.html
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And in 1988, NASA scientist James Henson testified before congress regarding his research showing that global warming was being caused by the greenhouse effect.
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Ugh! I forgot about that. Yeah, really bad movie on Ronnie's part.
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A couple of weeks ago, we had lunch out and instead of sharing something like we often do, we had two different items. Which meant, of course, too much food for one meal, so we doggy bagged what we didn't eat. And of course, doggy bagging means more plastic or Styrofoam. Bit then the ridiculously obvious hit us-- why don't we just bring our own containers? So when we got home, we re-washed some reusable plastic containers (that we already had), and put them in clean bag which we twist-tired shut, and placed them in the back of the car.
Now when we go out, we take the bagged containers into the restaurant with us and reuse them to take home left-overs. Wash, rinse, repeat. No more extra plastic or Styrofoam take-home containers.
Yes, face palm for taking so long to think of this, but ya know, it feels great to be doing this!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I never think of it when its time to go...
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My wife admitted she had thought of it as well but then never got around to it. Once we talked about it, I remembered we had some plastic to-go containers that hadn't been recycled yet, so I washed the pair of them, put them in a plastic bag (yeah, more plastic, lol), twist tied the bag shut, and keep it in the car. We went out to lunch a couple of days ago and brought left-overs home in those containers and it was such a good feeling not to be adding more plastic to the environment. The containers and clean and back in the car for another go. It's a small thing, but just think how much plastic would be save if enough people did this. That little act could become a huge savings in plastic!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14