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Cropduster-80 said:
Ironic that when America does nation building they help these countries set up a parliamentary system because a president has too much power.brianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:
If the MAGA wing ever breaks from the Republican Party the greens can break from the democrats.brianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:
In Europe you often govern with a coalitionbrianlux said:mickeyrat said:also saw an article the founder of the green party passed at 93 I think?I hadn't heard that but found this:I have to give kudos to Resenbrink for founding the Green Party but disappointed that the party has remained weak, partly due to lack of good, qualified candidates (some of whom have been down right embarrassing. Their own Green Parties in some other countries (Germany, in particular) have gained better traction.
Green Party hurts democrats in a two party system. I like the Green Party. I would also never waste my vote on them as long as our political system is two main parties
if they progressive wing of the Democratic Party joined the Green Party, neither party could win any election against a RepublicanYeah, sorry to say I have, the times I have voted Green have felt like I had thrown my vote away. But how else can it gain traction? I don't see our two party system as working very well. In fact, I see it as collapsing. But who doesn't these days, right?Seriously though I don’t think it’s possible because of how we elect presidents. 4 people running and you could get a president with like 25 percent support (or even less considering the electoral college). I think it’s easier to swallow when the leader of the biggest party of a governing coalition is the prime minister
or in another way. Someone could just win california or Texas 51-49 and have more electoral votes than any other candidate if there are enough parties on the ballot.. The president has too much power for that to be a good idea when you win the presidency with only 51 percent of California votersI think you're right. I don't see us going far with more than two parties. We're very entrenched in our system.My fantasy would be to greatly reduce the power of the presidency. In fact, I would like to see the role of the president be a combination of wise elder/ advisor/ cultural representative/ figurehead and have the real work of running the country done by committee. Giving the president as much power as we do really makes us very nearly an autocracy.
even Americans who know what they are talking about don’t advocate a presidential system
How ironic!
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benjs said:
Shamelessly stealing this from Wikipedia because it does such a good job of explaining the vicious cycle of a two-party system.brianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:
In Europe you often govern with a coalitionbrianlux said:mickeyrat said:also saw an article the founder of the green party passed at 93 I think?I hadn't heard that but found this:I have to give kudos to Resenbrink for founding the Green Party but disappointed that the party has remained weak, partly due to lack of good, qualified candidates (some of whom have been down right embarrassing. Their own Green Parties in some other countries (Germany, in particular) have gained better traction.
Green Party hurts democrats in a two party system. I like the Green Party. I would also never waste my vote on them as long as our political system is two main parties
if they progressive wing of the Democratic Party joined the Green Party, neither party could win any election against a RepublicanYeah, sorry to say I have, the times I have voted Green have felt like I had thrown my vote away. But how else can it gain traction? I don't see our two party system as working very well. In fact, I see it as collapsing. But who doesn't these days, right?
Eh, need an arrow with electoral college yall! Three candidates splitting electoral vote would throw presidential elections to the Gerrymandered House, so yeah, third parties are not viable in the states.0 -
You are correct. You need a majority, not the most electoral votes. So 3 parties or more is even more pointless.Lerxst1992 said:benjs said:
Shamelessly stealing this from Wikipedia because it does such a good job of explaining the vicious cycle of a two-party system.brianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:
In Europe you often govern with a coalitionbrianlux said:mickeyrat said:also saw an article the founder of the green party passed at 93 I think?I hadn't heard that but found this:I have to give kudos to Resenbrink for founding the Green Party but disappointed that the party has remained weak, partly due to lack of good, qualified candidates (some of whom have been down right embarrassing. Their own Green Parties in some other countries (Germany, in particular) have gained better traction.
Green Party hurts democrats in a two party system. I like the Green Party. I would also never waste my vote on them as long as our political system is two main parties
if they progressive wing of the Democratic Party joined the Green Party, neither party could win any election against a RepublicanYeah, sorry to say I have, the times I have voted Green have felt like I had thrown my vote away. But how else can it gain traction? I don't see our two party system as working very well. In fact, I see it as collapsing. But who doesn't these days, right?Eh, need an arrow with electoral college yall! Three candidates splitting electoral vote would throw presidential elections to the Gerrymandered House, so yeah, third parties are not viable in the states.If no one gets a majority, the people aren’t picking the president anyway, the house is. But technically the people aren’t directly picking the president now/under normal circumstances either.
the more you think about it, the worse our system seems comparatively. The founders may have been ahead of their time then, but now it’s just ridiculousPost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
Good point. This was from an article on two-party governments in general rather than the US approach. You're definitely right, though, that that's an additional wrench - especially since the Electoral College is in the Constitution.Lerxst1992 said:benjs said:
Shamelessly stealing this from Wikipedia because it does such a good job of explaining the vicious cycle of a two-party system.brianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:
In Europe you often govern with a coalitionbrianlux said:mickeyrat said:also saw an article the founder of the green party passed at 93 I think?I hadn't heard that but found this:I have to give kudos to Resenbrink for founding the Green Party but disappointed that the party has remained weak, partly due to lack of good, qualified candidates (some of whom have been down right embarrassing. Their own Green Parties in some other countries (Germany, in particular) have gained better traction.
Green Party hurts democrats in a two party system. I like the Green Party. I would also never waste my vote on them as long as our political system is two main parties
if they progressive wing of the Democratic Party joined the Green Party, neither party could win any election against a RepublicanYeah, sorry to say I have, the times I have voted Green have felt like I had thrown my vote away. But how else can it gain traction? I don't see our two party system as working very well. In fact, I see it as collapsing. But who doesn't these days, right?Eh, need an arrow with electoral college yall! Three candidates splitting electoral vote would throw presidential elections to the Gerrymandered House, so yeah, third parties are not viable in the states.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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brianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:
If the MAGA wing ever breaks from the Republican Party the greens can break from the democrats.brianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:
In Europe you often govern with a coalitionbrianlux said:mickeyrat said:also saw an article the founder of the green party passed at 93 I think?I hadn't heard that but found this:I have to give kudos to Resenbrink for founding the Green Party but disappointed that the party has remained weak, partly due to lack of good, qualified candidates (some of whom have been down right embarrassing. Their own Green Parties in some other countries (Germany, in particular) have gained better traction.
Green Party hurts democrats in a two party system. I like the Green Party. I would also never waste my vote on them as long as our political system is two main parties
if they progressive wing of the Democratic Party joined the Green Party, neither party could win any election against a RepublicanYeah, sorry to say I have, the times I have voted Green have felt like I had thrown my vote away. But how else can it gain traction? I don't see our two party system as working very well. In fact, I see it as collapsing. But who doesn't these days, right?Seriously though I don’t think it’s possible because of how we elect presidents. 4 people running and you could get a president with like 25 percent support (or even less considering the electoral college). I think it’s easier to swallow when the leader of the biggest party of a governing coalition is the prime minister
or in another way. Someone could just win california or Texas 51-49 and have more electoral votes than any other candidate if there are enough parties on the ballot.. The president has too much power for that to be a good idea when you win the presidency with only 51 percent of California votersI think you're right. I don't see us going far with more than two parties. We're very entrenched in our system.My fantasy would be to greatly reduce the power of the presidency. In fact, I would like to see the role of the president be a combination of wise elder/ advisor/ cultural representative/ figurehead and have the real work of running the country done by committee. Giving the president as much power as we do really makes us very nearly an autocracy.Hey there, this is the hope filled climate thread, sprinkled with joy. They are about to pass the best climate bill, the greatest climate bill that we've had in our history, the best ever! Let’s enjoy that for a minute or two please.0 -
So is the post office. That hasn’t stopped them from trying to gut itbenjs said:
Good point. This was from an article on two-party governments in general rather than the US approach. You're definitely right, though, that that's an additional wrench - especially since the Electoral College is in the Constitution.Lerxst1992 said:benjs said:
Shamelessly stealing this from Wikipedia because it does such a good job of explaining the vicious cycle of a two-party system.brianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:
In Europe you often govern with a coalitionbrianlux said:mickeyrat said:also saw an article the founder of the green party passed at 93 I think?I hadn't heard that but found this:I have to give kudos to Resenbrink for founding the Green Party but disappointed that the party has remained weak, partly due to lack of good, qualified candidates (some of whom have been down right embarrassing. Their own Green Parties in some other countries (Germany, in particular) have gained better traction.
Green Party hurts democrats in a two party system. I like the Green Party. I would also never waste my vote on them as long as our political system is two main parties
if they progressive wing of the Democratic Party joined the Green Party, neither party could win any election against a RepublicanYeah, sorry to say I have, the times I have voted Green have felt like I had thrown my vote away. But how else can it gain traction? I don't see our two party system as working very well. In fact, I see it as collapsing. But who doesn't these days, right?Eh, need an arrow with electoral college yall! Three candidates splitting electoral vote would throw presidential elections to the Gerrymandered House, so yeah, third parties are not viable in the states.0 -
Lerxst1992 said:brianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:
If the MAGA wing ever breaks from the Republican Party the greens can break from the democrats.brianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:
In Europe you often govern with a coalitionbrianlux said:mickeyrat said:also saw an article the founder of the green party passed at 93 I think?I hadn't heard that but found this:I have to give kudos to Resenbrink for founding the Green Party but disappointed that the party has remained weak, partly due to lack of good, qualified candidates (some of whom have been down right embarrassing. Their own Green Parties in some other countries (Germany, in particular) have gained better traction.
Green Party hurts democrats in a two party system. I like the Green Party. I would also never waste my vote on them as long as our political system is two main parties
if they progressive wing of the Democratic Party joined the Green Party, neither party could win any election against a RepublicanYeah, sorry to say I have, the times I have voted Green have felt like I had thrown my vote away. But how else can it gain traction? I don't see our two party system as working very well. In fact, I see it as collapsing. But who doesn't these days, right?Seriously though I don’t think it’s possible because of how we elect presidents. 4 people running and you could get a president with like 25 percent support (or even less considering the electoral college). I think it’s easier to swallow when the leader of the biggest party of a governing coalition is the prime minister
or in another way. Someone could just win california or Texas 51-49 and have more electoral votes than any other candidate if there are enough parties on the ballot.. The president has too much power for that to be a good idea when you win the presidency with only 51 percent of California votersI think you're right. I don't see us going far with more than two parties. We're very entrenched in our system.My fantasy would be to greatly reduce the power of the presidency. In fact, I would like to see the role of the president be a combination of wise elder/ advisor/ cultural representative/ figurehead and have the real work of running the country done by committee. Giving the president as much power as we do really makes us very nearly an autocracy.Hey there, this is the hope filled climate thread, sprinkled with joy. They are about to pass the best climate bill, the greatest climate bill that we've had in our history, the best ever! Let’s enjoy that for a minute or two please.Hold on, I'll set a timer.
Seriously though, yes, it's a start. Let's hope it keeps building. Heck, even Twinkle Toes Sinema might be on board with the measure."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Lerxst1992 said:brianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:
If the MAGA wing ever breaks from the Republican Party the greens can break from the democrats.brianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:
In Europe you often govern with a coalitionbrianlux said:mickeyrat said:also saw an article the founder of the green party passed at 93 I think?I hadn't heard that but found this:I have to give kudos to Resenbrink for founding the Green Party but disappointed that the party has remained weak, partly due to lack of good, qualified candidates (some of whom have been down right embarrassing. Their own Green Parties in some other countries (Germany, in particular) have gained better traction.
Green Party hurts democrats in a two party system. I like the Green Party. I would also never waste my vote on them as long as our political system is two main parties
if they progressive wing of the Democratic Party joined the Green Party, neither party could win any election against a RepublicanYeah, sorry to say I have, the times I have voted Green have felt like I had thrown my vote away. But how else can it gain traction? I don't see our two party system as working very well. In fact, I see it as collapsing. But who doesn't these days, right?Seriously though I don’t think it’s possible because of how we elect presidents. 4 people running and you could get a president with like 25 percent support (or even less considering the electoral college). I think it’s easier to swallow when the leader of the biggest party of a governing coalition is the prime minister
or in another way. Someone could just win california or Texas 51-49 and have more electoral votes than any other candidate if there are enough parties on the ballot.. The president has too much power for that to be a good idea when you win the presidency with only 51 percent of California votersI think you're right. I don't see us going far with more than two parties. We're very entrenched in our system.My fantasy would be to greatly reduce the power of the presidency. In fact, I would like to see the role of the president be a combination of wise elder/ advisor/ cultural representative/ figurehead and have the real work of running the country done by committee. Giving the president as much power as we do really makes us very nearly an autocracy.Hey there, this is the hope filled climate thread, sprinkled with joy. They are about to pass the best climate bill, the greatest climate bill that we've had in our history, the best ever! Let’s enjoy that for a minute or two please.
… or a modest start
I read that post and I’ll I can hear is trumps voice in my head. That’s weirdPost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
Cropduster-80 said:Lerxst1992 said:brianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:
If the MAGA wing ever breaks from the Republican Party the greens can break from the democrats.brianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:
In Europe you often govern with a coalitionbrianlux said:mickeyrat said:also saw an article the founder of the green party passed at 93 I think?I hadn't heard that but found this:I have to give kudos to Resenbrink for founding the Green Party but disappointed that the party has remained weak, partly due to lack of good, qualified candidates (some of whom have been down right embarrassing. Their own Green Parties in some other countries (Germany, in particular) have gained better traction.
Green Party hurts democrats in a two party system. I like the Green Party. I would also never waste my vote on them as long as our political system is two main parties
if they progressive wing of the Democratic Party joined the Green Party, neither party could win any election against a RepublicanYeah, sorry to say I have, the times I have voted Green have felt like I had thrown my vote away. But how else can it gain traction? I don't see our two party system as working very well. In fact, I see it as collapsing. But who doesn't these days, right?Seriously though I don’t think it’s possible because of how we elect presidents. 4 people running and you could get a president with like 25 percent support (or even less considering the electoral college). I think it’s easier to swallow when the leader of the biggest party of a governing coalition is the prime minister
or in another way. Someone could just win california or Texas 51-49 and have more electoral votes than any other candidate if there are enough parties on the ballot.. The president has too much power for that to be a good idea when you win the presidency with only 51 percent of California votersI think you're right. I don't see us going far with more than two parties. We're very entrenched in our system.My fantasy would be to greatly reduce the power of the presidency. In fact, I would like to see the role of the president be a combination of wise elder/ advisor/ cultural representative/ figurehead and have the real work of running the country done by committee. Giving the president as much power as we do really makes us very nearly an autocracy.Hey there, this is the hope filled climate thread, sprinkled with joy. They are about to pass the best climate bill, the greatest climate bill that we've had in our history, the best ever! Let’s enjoy that for a minute or two please.… or a modest start
I read that post and I’ll I can hear is trumps voice in my head. That’s weird
Ouch!
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I just meant the branding/selling of the bill. Not the contentbrianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:Lerxst1992 said:brianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:
If the MAGA wing ever breaks from the Republican Party the greens can break from the democrats.brianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:
In Europe you often govern with a coalitionbrianlux said:mickeyrat said:also saw an article the founder of the green party passed at 93 I think?I hadn't heard that but found this:I have to give kudos to Resenbrink for founding the Green Party but disappointed that the party has remained weak, partly due to lack of good, qualified candidates (some of whom have been down right embarrassing. Their own Green Parties in some other countries (Germany, in particular) have gained better traction.
Green Party hurts democrats in a two party system. I like the Green Party. I would also never waste my vote on them as long as our political system is two main parties
if they progressive wing of the Democratic Party joined the Green Party, neither party could win any election against a RepublicanYeah, sorry to say I have, the times I have voted Green have felt like I had thrown my vote away. But how else can it gain traction? I don't see our two party system as working very well. In fact, I see it as collapsing. But who doesn't these days, right?Seriously though I don’t think it’s possible because of how we elect presidents. 4 people running and you could get a president with like 25 percent support (or even less considering the electoral college). I think it’s easier to swallow when the leader of the biggest party of a governing coalition is the prime minister
or in another way. Someone could just win california or Texas 51-49 and have more electoral votes than any other candidate if there are enough parties on the ballot.. The president has too much power for that to be a good idea when you win the presidency with only 51 percent of California votersI think you're right. I don't see us going far with more than two parties. We're very entrenched in our system.My fantasy would be to greatly reduce the power of the presidency. In fact, I would like to see the role of the president be a combination of wise elder/ advisor/ cultural representative/ figurehead and have the real work of running the country done by committee. Giving the president as much power as we do really makes us very nearly an autocracy.Hey there, this is the hope filled climate thread, sprinkled with joy. They are about to pass the best climate bill, the greatest climate bill that we've had in our history, the best ever! Let’s enjoy that for a minute or two please.… or a modest start
I read that post and I’ll I can hear is trumps voice in my head. That’s weird
Ouch!
I’m sure there are a lot of cancer causing windmills included. He would hate it
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Cropduster-80 said:
I just meant the branding/selling of the bill. Not the contentbrianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:Lerxst1992 said:brianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:
If the MAGA wing ever breaks from the Republican Party the greens can break from the democrats.brianlux said:Cropduster-80 said:
In Europe you often govern with a coalitionbrianlux said:mickeyrat said:also saw an article the founder of the green party passed at 93 I think?I hadn't heard that but found this:I have to give kudos to Resenbrink for founding the Green Party but disappointed that the party has remained weak, partly due to lack of good, qualified candidates (some of whom have been down right embarrassing. Their own Green Parties in some other countries (Germany, in particular) have gained better traction.
Green Party hurts democrats in a two party system. I like the Green Party. I would also never waste my vote on them as long as our political system is two main parties
if they progressive wing of the Democratic Party joined the Green Party, neither party could win any election against a RepublicanYeah, sorry to say I have, the times I have voted Green have felt like I had thrown my vote away. But how else can it gain traction? I don't see our two party system as working very well. In fact, I see it as collapsing. But who doesn't these days, right?Seriously though I don’t think it’s possible because of how we elect presidents. 4 people running and you could get a president with like 25 percent support (or even less considering the electoral college). I think it’s easier to swallow when the leader of the biggest party of a governing coalition is the prime minister
or in another way. Someone could just win california or Texas 51-49 and have more electoral votes than any other candidate if there are enough parties on the ballot.. The president has too much power for that to be a good idea when you win the presidency with only 51 percent of California votersI think you're right. I don't see us going far with more than two parties. We're very entrenched in our system.My fantasy would be to greatly reduce the power of the presidency. In fact, I would like to see the role of the president be a combination of wise elder/ advisor/ cultural representative/ figurehead and have the real work of running the country done by committee. Giving the president as much power as we do really makes us very nearly an autocracy.Hey there, this is the hope filled climate thread, sprinkled with joy. They are about to pass the best climate bill, the greatest climate bill that we've had in our history, the best ever! Let’s enjoy that for a minute or two please.… or a modest start
I read that post and I’ll I can hear is trumps voice in my head. That’s weird
Ouch!
I’m sure there are a lot of cancer causing windmills included. He would hate it
For sure. 45 hates anything that doesn't boost his sick ego.
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Speaking of droplets, considering most of us have detectable levels of micro plastics in our blood that cleaning system needs to be scaled way downjpgoegel said:
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Speaking of droplets, considering most of us have detectable levels of micro plastics in our blood that cleaning system needs to be scaled way downjpgoegel said:
For sure. That will be a must more difficult task. I hope someone is working on a solution.
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Brazil gets a lot of crap and rightfully so, however I’m glad those rainforests aren’t here. No way they would have lasted this longmickeyrat said:0 -
here's a plus to go with the above minus
https://news.yahoo.com/with-great-barrier-reef-showing-signs-of-recovery-australia-takes-steps-to-combat-climate-change-175849377.html
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Great Barrier Reef has always been on my bucket list to dive. Although tourism probably is not good for it.jpgoegel said:here's a plus to go with the above minus
https://news.yahoo.com/with-great-barrier-reef-showing-signs-of-recovery-australia-takes-steps-to-combat-climate-change-175849377.html0
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