“PJ Premium” on Ticketmaster?

JimmyV said:

Yeah, it's completely fair to expect them to not act like an airline or an oil company. And if that is who you need to point to in order to defend the practice, well that speaks volumes. 

JimmyV said:

JBob87 said:

Discopij said:

The reality is, if PJ tours significantly every year we don't have this problem.  Scarcity in the number of shows they've played in the last 15 years combined with the pent up covid demand is making this particular year bonkers.  I wish they decided to do all stadiums (not baseball, but football) this year with the same number of shows in order to help ease the demand (even in the Northeast) and keep prices down without "sacrificing" their own bottom line.  Yes the same people would complain about their tickets not being close enough, and yes the stadium experience is inferior to arenas imo, and yes we'd still probably see "PJ Premium" or "Official Platinum" pop up on TM, but at least way more of us are getting in the building!  I just want to be in the building.

This is 100% the root cause, especially with 1 show in the northeast and almost half the shows being in CA. Not really surprising at all that MSG and Camden are really tough tickets outside of the Camden lawn. It's very disappointing that they didn't add more dates this year. 

This is what I'm struggling with. We went from this tour being the spring leg of 2020 to this tour being split between spring and fall in 2022. Yes, they added a few shows but we had heard an entire second leg was planned two years ago. Essentially their touring plans are lessened this year.  

mcgruff10 said:

mattcoz said:

mcgruff10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

What fans are forgetting is PJ sold a ton of GA and close seats for $150, including fees. The fair market value of those tickets, what most other artists charge would run hundreds to thousands of dollars. Or, they’d be grabbed immediately by the bots.  Correct me if I am wrong, but PJ sold every GA pit seat for $150? I’ve never heard if any other act doing that, until someone mentioned Garth earlier.

As someone who has never ever seen a blue dot seat to buy for any PJ show anywhere close to where I live, looks like there are a ton of face value seats in Oakland and other shows. Stinks getting on a plane, but there is a way to see them. 

Anyone having any hesitation how PJ prices would be without the club, go check out stub hub for MSG. There was one ticket for $700 the other day, and prices climbed to $1000 real fast for uppers and back stage.

If PJ were in it solely for the money, they’d do a residences in Boston, LA, NY, Philly and a few other of the largest cities. And that’d be it. But there are some small market shows out there to be had. Go get them. 

Ga for u2 is under $100.  

Because they sold platinum tickets to keep those prices low, same as what PJ is doing.

Are those platinum or just face value?

bbiggs said:

JimmyV said:

Yeah, it's completely fair to expect them to not act like an airline or an oil company. And if that is who you need to point to in order to defend the practice, well that speaks volumes. 

Well said.

Lerxst1992 said:

bbiggs said:

JimmyV said:

Yeah, it's completely fair to expect them to not act like an airline or an oil company. And if that is who you need to point to in order to defend the practice, well that speaks volumes. 

Well said.

So one side of the debate gets to use hyperbole and the other doesn’t? To claim they are gouging fans for a handful of market value tickets (considering that the concert industry was decimated to an extent much worse than oil and airlines) when they are selling thousands of GA tix for $133 + fees doesn’t seem reasonable. How’s that for hyperbole?

mcgruff10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

What fans are forgetting is PJ sold a ton of GA and close seats for $150, including fees. The fair market value of those tickets, what most other artists charge would run hundreds to thousands of dollars. Or, they’d be grabbed immediately by the bots.  Correct me if I am wrong, but PJ sold every GA pit seat for $150? I’ve never heard if any other act doing that, until someone mentioned Garth earlier.

As someone who has never ever seen a blue dot seat to buy for any PJ show anywhere close to where I live, looks like there are a ton of face value seats in Oakland and other shows. Stinks getting on a plane, but there is a way to see them. 

Anyone having any hesitation how PJ prices would be without the club, go check out stub hub for MSG. There was one ticket for $700 the other day, and prices climbed to $1000 real fast for uppers and back stage.

If PJ were in it solely for the money, they’d do a residences in Boston, LA, NY, Philly and a few other of the largest cities. And that’d be it. But there are some small market shows out there to be had. Go get them. 

Ga for u2 is under $100.  

There is currently a moderate price difference for buying tickets on the primary market vs. the secondary market. Looking at current prices on both primary seller Ticketmaster.com and secondary marketplace TicketIQ.com, there is about a $40 gap in prices between the primary and secondary markets for the July 1 Madison Square Garden. A ticket in Section 103, Row 16 on Ticketmaster costs $369 vs. $407 for a seat in the same row on TicketIQ.com. Fans looking for tickets can look at TicketIQ.com’s Low Price Guarantee Listings, where tickets to that show are available for as little as $101 in Section 323, Row 1.”

https://blog.ticketiq.com/blog/u2-joshua-tree-tour-dates-ticket-prices

mattcoz said:

Zod said:

JimmyV said:

JBob87 said:

Discopij said:

The reality is, if PJ tours significantly every year we don't have this problem.  Scarcity in the number of shows they've played in the last 15 years combined with the pent up covid demand is making this particular year bonkers.  I wish they decided to do all stadiums (not baseball, but football) this year with the same number of shows in order to help ease the demand (even in the Northeast) and keep prices down without "sacrificing" their own bottom line.  Yes the same people would complain about their tickets not being close enough, and yes the stadium experience is inferior to arenas imo, and yes we'd still probably see "PJ Premium" or "Official Platinum" pop up on TM, but at least way more of us are getting in the building!  I just want to be in the building.

This is 100% the root cause, especially with 1 show in the northeast and almost half the shows being in CA. Not really surprising at all that MSG and Camden are really tough tickets outside of the Camden lawn. It's very disappointing that they didn't add more dates this year. 

This is what I'm struggling with. We went from this tour being the spring leg of 2020 to this tour being split between spring and fall in 2022. Yes, they added a few shows but we had heard an entire second leg was planned two years ago. Essentially their touring plans are lessened this year.  

If it were me, given all the global challenges these past few years.  I'd be like.  Goal, let's just make up the dates we're supposed to make up.   Once we accomplish that and get it out of the way.. then lets talk about more tours... lol.

I know Covid is on the wane, but it would be in the back of my head that another wave could happen.  Then you've got 4 legs of shows you need to make up for.. lol.

I think it's reasonable they want to play catch up first, then worry about the rest later.

Agree that's what they probably were thinking.

Jim Tressel said:

mattcoz said:

JR86440 said:

6 band members… counting Boom of course!

7 counting Klinghoffer.

He doesn’t get a cut of the ticket sales I wouldn’t think. Maybe a flat fee? Really don’t know how that works. I remember someone saying Boom was cut in which I was surprised about. That’s got to be a great payday for him.  

Poncier said:

JR86440 said:

People who complain about premium have never tried to run a business. There are sooooo many costs that go into running a business that people don’t see. It’s not as simple as multiplying 20k seats by $100 and dividing by 6 band members… counting Boom of course! Benefits for employees, liability insurance, salaries, rent, taxes, travel, crew,  etc. Plus they need to Maher a profit. It’s not a non profit organization. $100 for 95% of the crowd for a band of PJ’s caliber is dirt cheap in my mind. And they aren’t the chili peppers who play 18 songs. Either need to accept premium or accept $150 tickets. Add in the fact that they have families to support I feel what they are doing is more than reasonable 

Yet they have managed to run their business without doing PJ Premium for 30 years until now. Just moderately increasing ticket prices at a fair and reasonable rate as time has gone on. Are you saying that the business model they used for 3 decades was faulty?