“PJ Premium” on Ticketmaster?

blastingfonda

bootlegger10

Instead of paying $2,500 for two tickets, fly to California and pay $300 for tickets + flights.  Flight costs are pretty crazy these days though too.

mpedone

What show has $8000 nosebleed tickets?

PJNB

bootlegger10 said:

Instead of paying $2,500 for two tickets, fly to California and pay $300 for tickets + flights.  Flight costs are pretty crazy these days though too.

There are so many Fresno seats remaining and it is even a smaller arena. There are some great premium seats sitting there $50 above face and no one is biting. I don't even think half of the venue is sold out and the back is not even opened up yet.  

Really curious how that conversation went choosing that city over tons of others that would have sold out easily. They added a city in a market that could not handle the sales and likely actually stole seats from cities like Oakland that were previously sold out. Did they just misread the market? I am sure it will sell a lot more as we get closer to the show and people from the area are ecstatic but still a very interesting choice.

mattcoz

foriginalsin said:

Speaking about venue holds, my buddy is a season ticket holder for the knicks. These tickets cost over $20k a year and hes had them for over 25 years. He just got 4 tickets for face from his “guy.”

1. He’s a huge fan, (thanks to my infection), but even if he wasnt, he deserves those tickets bc of his investment. Its the same investment we all make joining tenclub for a very small fee. In this case the tickets are going to pj fans who were shut out of everything, but again that doesnt matter. 

2. There are just way less tickets available than people realize.  Pj is playing 2 shows in the NE, and demand is crazy high.  Its even higher bc people have been waiting for years. You have to assume for a show in high demand that a portion of the tickets are going to people with money and connections. This isn’t something the band can control. Its just the way the world works. No ones pissed at jack nicholson bc he got to sit courtside forever at laker games. I cant afford Knicks season tickets. Should I be upset that my friend can? Thats a childish attitude. 

3. Pearl jam is CLEARLY at the top in terms of securing the largest amount and best tickets for its fanclub as previously stated. They dont have to do this. Life would be much easier for them if they didnt do it.

He deserves the Knicks tickets that he paid for. Although, maybe he does deserve more for having to watch the Knicks. If he has that kind of money, he can afford platinum/premium tickets.

blastingfonda

mpedone said:

What show has $8000 nosebleed tickets?

It's a joke, bud. But probably in the not too distant future, this will be the reality for PJ tickets. 

mpedone

blastingfonda said:

mpedone said:

What show has $8000 nosebleed tickets?

It's a joke, bud. But probably in the not too distant future, this will be the reality for PJ tickets. 

We'll see. I would argue this tour is a unique case with the rescheduled shows and new shows mixed in. Basically, I'm withholding judgement until we see what happens with a full tour that's not cobbled together from the scraps of a previous tour attempt and after a 2-year industry-wide layover.

JimmyV

mpedone said:

blastingfonda said:

mpedone said:

What show has $8000 nosebleed tickets?

It's a joke, bud. But probably in the not too distant future, this will be the reality for PJ tickets. 

We'll see. I would argue this tour is a unique case with the rescheduled shows and new shows mixed in. Basically, I'm withholding judgement until we see what happens with a full tour that's not cobbled together from the scraps of a previous tour attempt and after a 2-year industry-wide layover.

100%. There is sticker shock and I have concerns, but it's too soon to know how this will play out in the future. 

rmwatson

aisleseats said:

Poncier said:

JR86440 said:

People who complain about premium have never tried to run a business. There are sooooo many costs that go into running a business that people don’t see. It’s not as simple as multiplying 20k seats by $100 and dividing by 6 band members… counting Boom of course! Benefits for employees, liability insurance, salaries, rent, taxes, travel, crew,  etc. Plus they need to Maher a profit. It’s not a non profit organization. $100 for 95% of the crowd for a band of PJ’s caliber is dirt cheap in my mind. And they aren’t the chili peppers who play 18 songs. Either need to accept premium or accept $150 tickets. Add in the fact that they have families to support I feel what they are doing is more than reasonable 

Yet they have managed to run their business without doing PJ Premium for 30 years until now. Just moderately increasing ticket prices at a fair and reasonable rate as time has gone on. Are you saying that the business model they used for 3 decades was faulty?

This is the point a lot of ppl keep overlooking. Platinum pricing is something that didn't even really exist until maybe 10 years ago. Prior to that, every band/artist in history successfully toured without it and just charged a fixed price for tickets. Many artists (including some even bigger than PJ) still do. I get that costs associated with touring have increased. But the increase in ticket prices over the years have reflected that.
So those of you who are making excuses for and defending PJ for caving in can go try to sell that BS elsewhere. Because I'm not buying it.

Do you believe that Ticketmaster sits there at the negotiation and says "Sure Pearl Jam management, have all these fan club seat allocations, and also, have non-transferable tickets so that bots cant gobble them up, oh, and also, let us run a verified fan for you to limit the market even more to your direct fan base and hopefully not scalpers, AND we are going to do all of this for nothing in return, we will even sell the regular tickets at a cheap cost for all"  It is not how that business, or the world, works.  Business contracts and about give and take - the business of Pearl Jam takes A LOT for the 10Club, and for the verified fan - the give is ultimately the Premium seats and that system.  I mean, they explicitly state as much in their tour announcement.  I really don't get what people don't understand about it.  And if they werent dealing with Ticketmaster and LiveNation, we wouldn' be seeing them live at all - so please don't argue that.    

cmalisze

Pearl Jam Fans Furious over Band Charging "Scalper" Ticket Prices (ticketnews.com)

Worth a read. 

ddeschler

The "give and take" excuse falls a bit flat, when you consider all these layers were in place for the tour in 2020, with the exception of PJ Premium. 

Did TM hold PJ hostage, and say, "I know we did things one way for this tour in 2020, but we're only going to allow these rescheduled shows to happen if the band adds PJ Premium?"  I doubt it. 

JimmyV

Your periodic reminder that calling it PJ Premium was dumb. 

mpedone

ddeschler said:

The "give and take" excuse falls a bit flat, when you consider all these layers were in place for the tour in 2020, with the exception of PJ Premium. 

Did TM hold PJ hostage, and say, "I know we did things one way for this tour in 2020, but we're only going to allow these rescheduled shows to happen if the band adds PJ Premium?"  I doubt it. 

What's changed since then? Anything major happen to the world that may have had a massive impact on this tour?

Nah, must just be greed!

ddeschler

That's fine.  The world has changed.  But let's just make sure we acknowledge this was the band's choice.  They weren't forced into this by Ticketmaster.

OceansJenny

cmalisze said:

Pearl Jam Fans Furious over Band Charging "Scalper" Ticket Prices (ticketnews.com)

Worth a read. 

“the band is once again using Ticketmaster mobile-only ticketing systems to strip their fans of ticket transfer or resale rights for their upcoming tour dates, save in New York and Colorado – states which require consumer choice in ticket format by law. With the transfer and resale restrictions in place, there should be no “scalping” but that’s where Ticketmaster “platinum” tickets come in.

For Pearl Jam, the “platinum” tickets are marked as “PJ Premium,” but it is just a slight variation in name on the same thing: taking tickets that would have been one price, and multiplying that number by a factor of 2-3 all while claiming to protect fans from “scalpers.”

Bingo - transfer restrictions + platinum tickets do no work together. If TM is going to charge a grand for tickets just give me my transfer rights back. You aren’t helping.

bbiggs

cmalisze said:

Pearl Jam Fans Furious over Band Charging "Scalper" Ticket Prices (ticketnews.com)

Worth a read. 

"In its recent earnings report Live Nation cited the increased use of platinum pricing as a key driver of its record-breaking revenue."

Interesting.

pjl44

bbiggs said:

cmalisze said:

Pearl Jam Fans Furious over Band Charging "Scalper" Ticket Prices (ticketnews.com)

Worth a read. 

"In its recent earnings report Live Nation cited the increased use of platinum pricing as a key driver of its record-breaking revenue."

Interesting.

Isn't that obvious? The entire point is pulling money out of the secondary market into the primary.

JH6056

OceansJenny said:

cmalisze said:

Pearl Jam Fans Furious over Band Charging "Scalper" Ticket Prices (ticketnews.com)

Worth a read. 

“the band is once again using Ticketmaster mobile-only ticketing systems to strip their fans of ticket transfer or resale rights for their upcoming tour dates, save in New York and Colorado – states which require consumer choice in ticket format by law. With the transfer and resale restrictions in place, there should be no “scalping” but that’s where Ticketmaster “platinum” tickets come in.

For Pearl Jam, the “platinum” tickets are marked as “PJ Premium,” but it is just a slight variation in name on the same thing: taking tickets that would have been one price, and multiplying that number by a factor of 2-3 all while claiming to protect fans from “scalpers.”

Bingo - transfer restrictions + platinum tickets do no work together. If TM is going to charge a grand for tickets just give me my transfer rights back. You aren’t helping.

Yup to all you said OceansJenny.  And thanks @cmalisze that was KEY reading! 

I know I'm late to this discussion but wow.  Really deflated right now by all this.  And also shut out for 3rd PJ tour from 10 Club tix and Verfied fan tix.

Such a bummer, because the loss of Taylor Hawkins once again pounds in that you can't assume you'll have another chance, but even recognizing how much the 10 Club DOES do to look out for fans, these prices pound in the fact that some of us just canNOT afford any of these tix. The LEVEL of how high these Premium tix get to is shocking.  And disappointing.

pjl44

Yeah, issuing fully transferable Ten Club tickets couldn't possibly lead to any undesirable unintended consequences 

OceansJenny

JH6056 said:

OceansJenny said:

cmalisze said:

Pearl Jam Fans Furious over Band Charging "Scalper" Ticket Prices (ticketnews.com)

Worth a read. 

“the band is once again using Ticketmaster mobile-only ticketing systems to strip their fans of ticket transfer or resale rights for their upcoming tour dates, save in New York and Colorado – states which require consumer choice in ticket format by law. With the transfer and resale restrictions in place, there should be no “scalping” but that’s where Ticketmaster “platinum” tickets come in.

For Pearl Jam, the “platinum” tickets are marked as “PJ Premium,” but it is just a slight variation in name on the same thing: taking tickets that would have been one price, and multiplying that number by a factor of 2-3 all while claiming to protect fans from “scalpers.”

Bingo - transfer restrictions + platinum tickets do no work together. If TM is going to charge a grand for tickets just give me my transfer rights back. You aren’t helping.

Yup to all you said OceansJenny.  And thanks @cmalisze that was KEY reading! 

I know I'm late to this discussion but wow.  Really deflated right now by all this.  And also shut out for 3rd PJ tour from 10 Club tix and Verfied fan tix.

Such a bummer, because the loss of Taylor Hawkins once again pounds in that you can't assume you'll have another chance, but even recognizing how much the 10 Club DOES do to look out for fans, these prices pound in the fact that some of us just canNOT afford any of these tix. The LEVEL of how high these Premium tix get to is shocking.  And disappointing.

Hey man - keep at it. Prices will drop as we get closer to the date. We got time!