“PJ Premium” on Ticketmaster?

Clapper

PJNB said:

This is why I love the way this band does 10C lottos. So people like you can't waive their credit card around and get into shows with a phone call. People like me have a shot with this band and at a great price. What you call fuckery I call fairness. 

I'll also give you a pass with the "people like you" comment.  It's not about the credit card, its about the connections. Connections that EARNED with thousands of hours of work for a very specific, very demanding market segment. The mention of the credit card was as illustration that tickets aren't free. 

PJNB

Clapper said:

PJNB said:

This is why I love the way this band does 10C lottos. So people like you can't waive their credit card around and get into shows with a phone call. People like me have a shot with this band and at a great price. What you call fuckery I call fairness. 

I'll also give you a pass with the "people like you" comment.  It's not about the credit card, its about the connections. Connections that EARNED with thousands of hours of work for a very specific, very demanding market segment. The mention of the credit card was as illustration that tickets aren't free. 

Clapper

mcgruff10 said:

Thanks for the insight, I had no clue pj were that protective of their tickets.  Is that one of the reasons they don’t play as much?

also, two of my sons are dying to go to a nba game; can you call your contact and get me three tickets to the 76ers game on 4/10?  

 

I think they just play less because they are 30 years older and have families.  I am sure the travel and accommodations are more luxurious than 30 years ago, but I suspect even the more comfortable grind of the road takes a greater toll when you're middle aged as well.  I can't speak for anyone else but I've found I enjoy working less in my 40's than I did in my 20's and prefer to be paid more for it. 

pjl44

Clapper said:

PJNB said:

This is why I love the way this band does 10C lottos. So people like you can't waive their credit card around and get into shows with a phone call. People like me have a shot with this band and at a great price. What you call fuckery I call fairness. 

thousands of hours of work for a very specific, very demanding market segment.

Good thing hangin' out on the Pearl Jam forum can give you a respite from that!

Clapper

pjl44 said:

Good thing hangin' out on the Pearl Jam forum can give you a respite from that!

Wish it could be more but my average of 16 posts/year will have to tide the rest of the group over until I have more time

foriginalsin

Clapper said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thanks for the insight, I had no clue pj were that protective of their tickets.  Is that one of the reasons they don’t play as much?

also, two of my sons are dying to go to a nba game; can you call your contact and get me three tickets to the 76ers game on 4/10?  

 

I think they just play less because they are 30 years older and have families.  I am sure the travel and accommodations are more luxurious than 30 years ago, but I suspect even the more comfortable grind of the road takes a greater toll when you're middle aged as well.  I can't speak for anyone else but I've found I enjoy working less in my 40's than I did in my 20's and prefer to be paid more for it. 

Hahahaha me too. Im tired, pay me more. 

Lerxst1992

pjl44 said:

Man they're long overdue for a full Tool heel turn on the fanbase. I thought the GA lists and hand-numbering was going to be the last straw. It must be so liberating. 

"Want our new record? Well we signed a bunch and they're $800 at the merch table. If you bought VIP access you get first crack. Gobble em up, piggies."

Someone needs to finance the streaming of new albums.

foriginalsin

Speaking about venue holds, my buddy is a season ticket holder for the knicks. These tickets cost over $20k a year and hes had them for over 25 years. He just got 4 tickets for face from his “guy.”

1. He’s a huge fan, (thanks to my infection), but even if he wasnt, he deserves those tickets bc of his investment. Its the same investment we all make joining tenclub for a very small fee. In this case the tickets are going to pj fans who were shut out of everything, but again that doesnt matter. 

2. There are just way less tickets available than people realize.  Pj is playing 2 shows in the NE, and demand is crazy high.  Its even higher bc people have been waiting for years. You have to assume for a show in high demand that a portion of the tickets are going to people with money and connections. This isn’t something the band can control. Its just the way the world works. No ones pissed at jack nicholson bc he got to sit courtside forever at laker games. I cant afford Knicks season tickets. Should I be upset that my friend can? Thats a childish attitude. 

3. Pearl jam is CLEARLY at the top in terms of securing the largest amount and best tickets for its fanclub as previously stated. They dont have to do this. Life would be much easier for them if they didnt do it. 

JP218404

foriginalsin said:

Speaking about venue holds, my buddy is a season ticket holder for the knicks. These tickets cost over $20k a year and hes had them for over 25 years. He just got 4 tickets for face from his “guy.”

1. He’s a huge fan, (thanks to my infection), but even if he wasnt, he deserves those tickets bc of his investment. Its the same investment we all make joining tenclub for a very small fee. In this case the tickets are going to pj fans who were shut out of everything, but again that doesnt matter. 

2. There are just way less tickets available than people realize.  Pj is playing 2 shows in the NE, and demand is crazy high.  Its even higher bc people have been waiting for years. You have to assume for a show in high demand that a portion of the tickets are going to people with money and connections. This isn’t something the band can control. Its just the way the world works. No ones pissed at jack nicholson bc he got to sit courtside forever at laker games. I cant afford Knicks season tickets. Should I be upset that my friend can? Thats a childish attitude. 

3. Pearl jam is CLEARLY at the top in terms of securing the largest amount and best tickets for its fanclub as previously stated. They dont have to do this. Life would be much easier for them if they didnt do it. 

Ain’t just venue. It’s label, management, bands, radio stations, etc. 

then a day or two before EVERY show there is a ticket drop of those unused AND the ones they now feel they can throw in after stage set up. 

And that’s a perk of being a Knicks season ticket hold cause being at a Knicks game is a punishment. Kudos to your friend for holding on to them. I had from 93-2002 and no way I would have season ticket for them the last 20 years. Awful. He should get a box with 20 tickets for that. 

foriginalsin

JP218404 said:

foriginalsin said:

Speaking about venue holds, my buddy is a season ticket holder for the knicks. These tickets cost over $20k a year and hes had them for over 25 years. He just got 4 tickets for face from his “guy.”

1. He’s a huge fan, (thanks to my infection), but even if he wasnt, he deserves those tickets bc of his investment. Its the same investment we all make joining tenclub for a very small fee. In this case the tickets are going to pj fans who were shut out of everything, but again that doesnt matter. 

2. There are just way less tickets available than people realize.  Pj is playing 2 shows in the NE, and demand is crazy high.  Its even higher bc people have been waiting for years. You have to assume for a show in high demand that a portion of the tickets are going to people with money and connections. This isn’t something the band can control. Its just the way the world works. No ones pissed at jack nicholson bc he got to sit courtside forever at laker games. I cant afford Knicks season tickets. Should I be upset that my friend can? Thats a childish attitude. 

3. Pearl jam is CLEARLY at the top in terms of securing the largest amount and best tickets for its fanclub as previously stated. They dont have to do this. Life would be much easier for them if they didnt do it. 

Ain’t just venue. It’s label, management, bands, radio stations, etc. 

then a day or two before EVERY show there is a ticket drop of those unused AND the ones they now feel they can throw in after stage set up. 

And that’s a perk of being a Knicks season ticket hold cause being at a Knicks game is a punishment. Kudos to your friend for holding on to them. I had from 93-2002 and no way I would have season ticket for them the last 20 years. Awful. He should get a box with 20 tickets for that. 

Hahahahhahaha, 2 decades of punishment. They cant even make a 10 team playoffs, brutal. 

aisleseats

Poncier said:

JR86440 said:

People who complain about premium have never tried to run a business. There are sooooo many costs that go into running a business that people don’t see. It’s not as simple as multiplying 20k seats by $100 and dividing by 6 band members… counting Boom of course! Benefits for employees, liability insurance, salaries, rent, taxes, travel, crew,  etc. Plus they need to Maher a profit. It’s not a non profit organization. $100 for 95% of the crowd for a band of PJ’s caliber is dirt cheap in my mind. And they aren’t the chili peppers who play 18 songs. Either need to accept premium or accept $150 tickets. Add in the fact that they have families to support I feel what they are doing is more than reasonable 

Yet they have managed to run their business without doing PJ Premium for 30 years until now. Just moderately increasing ticket prices at a fair and reasonable rate as time has gone on. Are you saying that the business model they used for 3 decades was faulty?

This is the point a lot of ppl keep overlooking. Platinum pricing is something that didn't even really exist until maybe 10 years ago. Prior to that, every band/artist in history successfully toured without it and just charged a fixed price for tickets. Many artists (including some even bigger than PJ) still do. I get that costs associated with touring have increased. But the increase in ticket prices over the years have reflected that.
So those of you who are making excuses for and defending PJ for caving in can go try to sell that BS elsewhere. Because I'm not buying it.

OceansJenny

JimmyV said:

There was literally a giveaway of 100 FREE tickets to Ed's rescheduled show and that was in LA. Many of these shows are going to see the Platinum tickets whither on the vine and prices will collapse. 

Yes!! Everyone stop trying to buy tickets right now for christ’s sake and just wait. 

CantKeepmedown

foriginalsin said:

Speaking about venue holds, my buddy is a season ticket holder for the knicks. These tickets cost over $20k a year and hes had them for over 25 years. He just got 4 tickets for face from his “guy.”

1. He’s a huge fan, (thanks to my infection), but even if he wasnt, he deserves those tickets bc of his investment. Its the same investment we all make joining tenclub for a very small fee. In this case the tickets are going to pj fans who were shut out of everything, but again that doesnt matter. 

2. There are just way less tickets available than people realize.  Pj is playing 2 shows in the NE, and demand is crazy high.  Its even higher bc people have been waiting for years. You have to assume for a show in high demand that a portion of the tickets are going to people with money and connections. This isn’t something the band can control. Its just the way the world works. No ones pissed at jack nicholson bc he got to sit courtside forever at laker games. I cant afford Knicks season tickets. Should I be upset that my friend can? Thats a childish attitude. 

3. Pearl jam is CLEARLY at the top in terms of securing the largest amount and best tickets for its fanclub as previously stated. They dont have to do this. Life would be much easier for them if they didnt do it. 

Out of curiosity, where are your friends seats?

Get_Right

Clapper said:

JP218404 said:

Yes. Yes it has as someone who works in it

Please, I beg of you. Give these folks an inside look and update their reality.  I have the good fortune to have enough contacts in professional sports and entertainment that I can confidently say that I could get a pair of venue hold tickets for just about any act that is playing in an NHL/NBA arena or MLB stadium with a couple of calls and my credit card. Pearl Jam being the the greatest exception.  They protect their tickets in a way that nobody else I have seen does.  99% of the time, venue holds are in the two seated sections closest to the stage on either side...with Pearl Jam, its rare for the venue holds to be that close.  Most of the time, venue holds for Pearl Jam the are in the back corner sections of the lower bowl.  I've even tried to call in a favour with a higher up at Live Nation who owed me a legitimate solid only to be told "ask me for anyone but Pearl Jam and I can help you out".    The money they leave on the table for this fan club fuckery is bananas.  The only reason I'm still a member is because it is still the best shot at getting tickets to see this band.  The fact that they are still almost always less than $150  for 2.5 hour plus sets is also bonkers. 

Yup.  And agree, particularly in NYC, there are always great tickets available for celebs, business partners and other VIPs. I have been fortunate enough to take advantage of that on several occasions. Quick call and tickets are secured. It is always a bit tougher with PJ. 

mpedone

aisleseats said:

Poncier said:

JR86440 said:

People who complain about premium have never tried to run a business. There are sooooo many costs that go into running a business that people don’t see. It’s not as simple as multiplying 20k seats by $100 and dividing by 6 band members… counting Boom of course! Benefits for employees, liability insurance, salaries, rent, taxes, travel, crew,  etc. Plus they need to Maher a profit. It’s not a non profit organization. $100 for 95% of the crowd for a band of PJ’s caliber is dirt cheap in my mind. And they aren’t the chili peppers who play 18 songs. Either need to accept premium or accept $150 tickets. Add in the fact that they have families to support I feel what they are doing is more than reasonable 

Yet they have managed to run their business without doing PJ Premium for 30 years until now. Just moderately increasing ticket prices at a fair and reasonable rate as time has gone on. Are you saying that the business model they used for 3 decades was faulty?

This is the point a lot of ppl keep overlooking. Platinum pricing is something that didn't even really exist until maybe 10 years ago. Prior to that, every band/artist in history successfully toured without it and just charged a fixed price for tickets. Many artists (including some even bigger than PJ) still do. I get that costs associated with touring have increased. But the increase in ticket prices over the years have reflected that.
So those of you who are making excuses for and defending PJ for caving in can go try to sell that BS elsewhere. Because I'm not buying it.

Costs associated with touring have skyrocketed over the past two years. How much did they increase the base ticket price for new ticket sales on this tour?

PJNB

mpedone said:

aisleseats said:

Poncier said:

JR86440 said:

People who complain about premium have never tried to run a business. There are sooooo many costs that go into running a business that people don’t see. It’s not as simple as multiplying 20k seats by $100 and dividing by 6 band members… counting Boom of course! Benefits for employees, liability insurance, salaries, rent, taxes, travel, crew,  etc. Plus they need to Maher a profit. It’s not a non profit organization. $100 for 95% of the crowd for a band of PJ’s caliber is dirt cheap in my mind. And they aren’t the chili peppers who play 18 songs. Either need to accept premium or accept $150 tickets. Add in the fact that they have families to support I feel what they are doing is more than reasonable 

Yet they have managed to run their business without doing PJ Premium for 30 years until now. Just moderately increasing ticket prices at a fair and reasonable rate as time has gone on. Are you saying that the business model they used for 3 decades was faulty?

This is the point a lot of ppl keep overlooking. Platinum pricing is something that didn't even really exist until maybe 10 years ago. Prior to that, every band/artist in history successfully toured without it and just charged a fixed price for tickets. Many artists (including some even bigger than PJ) still do. I get that costs associated with touring have increased. But the increase in ticket prices over the years have reflected that.
So those of you who are making excuses for and defending PJ for caving in can go try to sell that BS elsewhere. Because I'm not buying it.

Costs associated with touring have skyrocketed over the past two years. How much did they increase the base ticket price for new ticket sales on this tour?

I think it was around a 20% increase. 

mpedone

Clapper said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thanks for the insight, I had no clue pj were that protective of their tickets.  Is that one of the reasons they don’t play as much?

also, two of my sons are dying to go to a nba game; can you call your contact and get me three tickets to the 76ers game on 4/10?  

 

I think they just play less because they are 30 years older and have families.  I am sure the travel and accommodations are more luxurious than 30 years ago, but I suspect even the more comfortable grind of the road takes a greater toll when you're middle aged as well.  I can't speak for anyone else but I've found I enjoy working less in my 40's than I did in my 20's and prefer to be paid more for it. 

I've always loved traveling, but as I've gotten into my 40s, I've noticed a pattern - after a few days, I want to be back in my own bed. After about a week of eating out (even at good restaurants) I just want to make my own food. They are looking at spending all of May, half of June, all of July, and all of September on the road. Brutal.

Honestly, they should find a year-long residency. Rent some condos, play every few days.

Poncier

Clapper said:

PJNB said:

This is why I love the way this band does 10C lottos. So people like you can't waive their credit card around and get into shows with a phone call. People like me have a shot with this band and at a great price. What you call fuckery I call fairness. 

The fuckery I'm referring to is the complaints.  The lotto, the amount of tickets held for the club and the prices they've kept it to are legit the FAIREST scenario in the business. That's the point I was trying to make.  With the exception of the charitable auctions, no amount of connected or resources gets you additional opportunity with this band. 

Until now, which has been my point. Now all of a sudden, they are doing "PJ Premium" for well above face and in some cases exorbitant prices in some markets. And those seats are the ones you specifically said in your previous post could not be had in the past because they were for the fan club. Again, look at the ticket maps for Fresno and Sacramento which have a lot of these PremiumPJplatinum tix available. They are the seats that used to go to 10 club members, front rows of lower bowl and seats right behind the pit.

Lerxst1992

They said on the original tour announcement that a small amount of tickets will be sold for market value to help with tour costs, which must be excessively high now based on 2 years of zero tour revenue and current supply chain/ inflation issues.

PJ took complete ownership. Cant ask for anything more.  Plus thousands of GA and close seats sold to TC at a FRACTION of market value.

100 Pacer

Fan club membership or even fandom doesn’t equate to shareholder status. Sure…we believe they’re our band but we have no direct say in financial discussions and business arrangements. They take care of their own first and foremost as it should be. The band could be over tomorrow but lives go on and they certainly should be planning like it’s all over tomorrow and ensuring they’re comfortable for the next 25 years - entirely their prerogative. 

From an individual perspective it’s not pleasant to miss out on the opportunity for 10C tickets directly from the fan club…but if you’ve interacted with fellow fans long enough either here or elsewhere you discover this is a vibrant community. We look out for one another. The band recognizes and acknowledges this very community and while they rationally realize they can’t get every single fan into every singe show they look out and a sea of people in each seat or spot is singing back…the house is full because an available ticket is shared or sold and enjoyed. 

Is it wrong a premium ticket is $3,500? It’s worth $3,500 to someone if they’re willing to pay for it. If you don’t want to or can’t pay that much don’t be discouraged. There are always production hold
tickets released. People change their plans. If your $800 premium ticket drops in value due to decreased demand you simply accept the fact FOMO whether for a ticket or a house drives prices up. Perfectly normal and nothing to get upset over.