“PJ Premium” on Ticketmaster?

JimmyV · March 2022

I don't doubt that the Premium tickets helped keep 10c prices where they are. I do doubt that they didn't also help Pearl Jam get paid.

pjl44 · March 2022

Let's also remember that this entire industry had the e-brake pulled on it for the better part of 2 years. If people are willing to pay these prices anyway, better that cash flow into the primary market. Be as cynical as you want about TM and Pearl Jam, but StubHub sure as hell ain't subsidizing sound engineers, venue staff, etc.

mpedone · March 2022

Premium tickets to Oakland 1 are already down to face value for some singles. A lot of tickets at $175. Night 2 has a bunch at $175, as well. Glendale has a bunch at face value. Fresno and Sacramento are dropping in price. Vegas is still $350+. Prices are dropping already.

JojoRice · March 2022

mpedone said:

Premium tickets to Oakland 1 are already down to face value for some singles. A lot of tickets at $175. Night 2 has a bunch at $175, as well. Glendale has a bunch at face value. Fresno and Sacramento are dropping in price. Vegas is still $350+. Prices are dropping already.

Ya these May shows will probably fluctuate a lot since we are just a few weeks out. I don't think the September prices will fluctuate as much until those get closer.

Clapper · March 2022

Can anyone with concerns over platinum seating, fan to fan and fan club lottery offer any real, tangible solutions? Please include what the trade off is for the following items:

F2F - requires tickets be resold at face value
Fan club lottery - ensures maximum allocation for the artist block of seats in any given venue
Platinum seating - Ensures the band at least makes market value on a portion of the seats to their show.

Please consider these other factors as well:

- Almost 100% of venue partnerships for ticketing and promotions are through Ticketmaster and LiveNation
- Other corporate partnerships that require ticket allotments (venue holds, radio station x/y/z pre sales, credit card x/y/z pre sales)
- Every cost (fuel, insurance, hotels etc) associated with putting on a tour has increased (including providing the crew a living wage)
- Average cost of a house in Toronto in 1995 was approximately 200k. Today it is north of 1mil. While $35 concert tickets were fun while they lasted, expecting them to to stay the same while everything has increased multiple times over isn't realistic)
- the average ticket cost for trackable ticket sales in 2019 was $96 according to this report https://www.statista.com/statistics/380106/global-average-music-tour-ticket-price/ As an average, that includes tickets that what anyone could perceive as both under priced and over priced. I believe it would also to be rational to assume that the vast majority of those acts are playing a 90 minute headline set.
- Given the opportunity in your career, especially those of us that are a little older, to get paid more for less work would you turn it down? If so why? Either way, why would you begrudge someone else that opportunity?
- If tickets were sold at market value and all tickets were open to public sale, what do you think they would cost and do you think you'd actually be able to get them?
- what do you think the average demand is for a PJ ticket assuming that the markets they play have a local population in most cases that is in the millions of people and thousands more who are willing to travel. What do the odds look like if there is 1 show of 18-20k seats in these markets.

Looking forward to a couple of solid Good Will Hunting type equations on the blackboard. And.....go.

Discopij · March 2022

The reality is, if PJ tours significantly every year we don't have this problem. Scarcity in the number of shows they've played in the last 15 years combined with the pent up covid demand is making this particular year bonkers. I wish they decided to do all stadiums (not baseball, but football) this year with the same number of shows in order to help ease the demand (even in the Northeast) and keep prices down without "sacrificing" their own bottom line. Yes the same people would complain about their tickets not being close enough, and yes the stadium experience is inferior to arenas imo, and yes we'd still probably see "PJ Premium" or "Official Platinum" pop up on TM, but at least way more of us are getting in the building! I just want to be in the building.

wbutler29 · March 2022

Sorry if already covered, but did anyone cover when the premium tickets will be unlocked for those who did not register and get an access code. thanks in advance

Vedd Hedd · March 2022

JP218404 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

JP218404 said:

This slot could be worst. Look what Eric church just did to his fans

That one is worthy of an uproar. This PJ stuff is a non issue people blowing way out of proportion.

PJ announced with the tour announcement that this was going to happen. It’s not a surprise and it was done for a specific reason

100%! All was expected. Ya got a ticket on this run just be happy wherever the damn seat it.

Eddie do this for a Cubs game!?!!

I remember Eddie saying specifically they would not be doing shows in October "for a while" when the Cubs were good.

mattcoz · March 2022

Vedd Hedd said:

JP218404 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

JP218404 said:

This slot could be worst. Look what Eric church just did to his fans

That one is worthy of an uproar. This PJ stuff is a non issue people blowing way out of proportion.

PJ announced with the tour announcement that this was going to happen. It’s not a surprise and it was done for a specific reason

100%! All was expected. Ya got a ticket on this run just be happy wherever the damn seat it.

Eddie do this for a Cubs game!?!!

I remember Eddie saying specifically they would not be doing shows in October "for a while" when the Cubs were good.

That's called good planning. Scheduling a show during the Final Four when you're a North Carolina fan? Not so much.

mcgruff10 · March 2022

Lerxst1992 said:

What fans are forgetting is PJ sold a ton of GA and close seats for $150, including fees. The fair market value of those tickets, what most other artists charge would run hundreds to thousands of dollars. Or, they’d be grabbed immediately by the bots. Correct me if I am wrong, but PJ sold every GA pit seat for $150? I’ve never heard if any other act doing that, until someone mentioned Garth earlier.

As someone who has never ever seen a blue dot seat to buy for any PJ show anywhere close to where I live, looks like there are a ton of face value seats in Oakland and other shows. Stinks getting on a plane, but there is a way to see them.

Anyone having any hesitation how PJ prices would be without the club, go check out stub hub for MSG. There was one ticket for $700 the other day, and prices climbed to $1000 real fast for uppers and back stage.

If PJ were in it solely for the money, they’d do a residences in Boston, LA, NY, Philly and a few other of the largest cities. And that’d be it. But there are some small market shows out there to be had. Go get them.

Ga for u2 is under $100.

bbiggs · March 2022

mattcoz said:

bbiggs said:

But to say they've done this unknowingly or to subsidize the cost of 10C tickets for the newly scheduled shows (which as was noted have been pushed back for the "PJ Premium" folks) is a stretch.

It's not a "stretch", they came right out and said that's what it was.
"In order to maintain low ticket prices and fan club accessibility, we will be releasing a limited number of premium tickets to the public at market rate price at a later date."

People and businesses say a lot of things. Market rate is not $5,000+. When those same seats have not sold as show time approaches and end up going for a fraction of the price (see recent EV tour), you call that an honest approach to selling at market value? If so, we'll agree to disagree.

mattcoz · March 2022

mcgruff10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

What fans are forgetting is PJ sold a ton of GA and close seats for $150, including fees. The fair market value of those tickets, what most other artists charge would run hundreds to thousands of dollars. Or, they’d be grabbed immediately by the bots. Correct me if I am wrong, but PJ sold every GA pit seat for $150? I’ve never heard if any other act doing that, until someone mentioned Garth earlier.

As someone who has never ever seen a blue dot seat to buy for any PJ show anywhere close to where I live, looks like there are a ton of face value seats in Oakland and other shows. Stinks getting on a plane, but there is a way to see them.

Anyone having any hesitation how PJ prices would be without the club, go check out stub hub for MSG. There was one ticket for $700 the other day, and prices climbed to $1000 real fast for uppers and back stage.

If PJ were in it solely for the money, they’d do a residences in Boston, LA, NY, Philly and a few other of the largest cities. And that’d be it. But there are some small market shows out there to be had. Go get them.

Ga for u2 is under $100.

Because they sold platinum tickets to keep those prices low, same as what PJ is doing.

JimmyV · March 2022

Arguing that there may be benefits to Platinum ticketing is one thing. Arguing that others shouldn't be surprised or upset to learn this particular band is doing it is another.

Cropduster-80 · March 2022

bbiggs said:

mattcoz said:

bbiggs said:

But to say they've done this unknowingly or to subsidize the cost of 10C tickets for the newly scheduled shows (which as was noted have been pushed back for the "PJ Premium" folks) is a stretch.

It's not a "stretch", they came right out and said that's what it was.
"In order to maintain low ticket prices and fan club accessibility, we will be releasing a limited number of premium tickets to the public at market rate price at a later date."

People and businesses say a lot of things. Market rate is not $5,000+. When those same seats have not sold as show time approaches and end up going for a fraction of the price (see recent EV tour), you call that an honest approach to selling at market value? If so, we'll agree to disagree.

Market rate is 5000 if people buy them at that price. The price fluctuating to meet whatever that market rate is pretty much is exactly what’s happening. Market rate isn’t fixed. It’s variable. Airline tickets are similar. One day the price is X the next day it doubles, then goes back down again sometimes. Demand and price changes based on a ton of factors

someone may be willing to pay 5k today to set their plans get flights etc. day before the show it’s someone local trying to find something to do on a Saturday night. They won’t pay 5k. A good algorithm should know when people who will spend more money will be shopping for tickets Vs someone who won’t.

JBob87 · March 2022

Discopij said:

The reality is, if PJ tours significantly every year we don't have this problem. Scarcity in the number of shows they've played in the last 15 years combined with the pent up covid demand is making this particular year bonkers. I wish they decided to do all stadiums (not baseball, but football) this year with the same number of shows in order to help ease the demand (even in the Northeast) and keep prices down without "sacrificing" their own bottom line. Yes the same people would complain about their tickets not being close enough, and yes the stadium experience is inferior to arenas imo, and yes we'd still probably see "PJ Premium" or "Official Platinum" pop up on TM, but at least way more of us are getting in the building! I just want to be in the building.

This is 100% the root cause, especially with 1 show in the northeast and almost half the shows being in CA. Not really surprising at all that MSG and Camden are really tough tickets outside of the Camden lawn. It's very disappointing that they didn't add more dates this year.

mcgruff10 · March 2022

mattcoz said:

mcgruff10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

What fans are forgetting is PJ sold a ton of GA and close seats for $150, including fees. The fair market value of those tickets, what most other artists charge would run hundreds to thousands of dollars. Or, they’d be grabbed immediately by the bots. Correct me if I am wrong, but PJ sold every GA pit seat for $150? I’ve never heard if any other act doing that, until someone mentioned Garth earlier.

As someone who has never ever seen a blue dot seat to buy for any PJ show anywhere close to where I live, looks like there are a ton of face value seats in Oakland and other shows. Stinks getting on a plane, but there is a way to see them.

Anyone having any hesitation how PJ prices would be without the club, go check out stub hub for MSG. There was one ticket for $700 the other day, and prices climbed to $1000 real fast for uppers and back stage.

If PJ were in it solely for the money, they’d do a residences in Boston, LA, NY, Philly and a few other of the largest cities. And that’d be it. But there are some small market shows out there to be had. Go get them.

Ga for u2 is under $100.

Because they sold platinum tickets to keep those prices low, same as what PJ is doing.

Are those platinum or just face value?

JimmyV · March 2022

JBob87 said:

Discopij said:

The reality is, if PJ tours significantly every year we don't have this problem. Scarcity in the number of shows they've played in the last 15 years combined with the pent up covid demand is making this particular year bonkers. I wish they decided to do all stadiums (not baseball, but football) this year with the same number of shows in order to help ease the demand (even in the Northeast) and keep prices down without "sacrificing" their own bottom line. Yes the same people would complain about their tickets not being close enough, and yes the stadium experience is inferior to arenas imo, and yes we'd still probably see "PJ Premium" or "Official Platinum" pop up on TM, but at least way more of us are getting in the building! I just want to be in the building.

This is 100% the root cause, especially with 1 show in the northeast and almost half the shows being in CA. Not really surprising at all that MSG and Camden are really tough tickets outside of the Camden lawn. It's very disappointing that they didn't add more dates this year.

This is what I'm struggling with. We went from this tour being the spring leg of 2020 to this tour being split between spring and fall in 2022. Yes, they added a few shows but we had heard an entire second leg was planned two years ago. Essentially their touring plans are lessened this year.

ComeToTX · March 2022

JimmyV said:

JBob87 said:

Discopij said:

The reality is, if PJ tours significantly every year we don't have this problem. Scarcity in the number of shows they've played in the last 15 years combined with the pent up covid demand is making this particular year bonkers. I wish they decided to do all stadiums (not baseball, but football) this year with the same number of shows in order to help ease the demand (even in the Northeast) and keep prices down without "sacrificing" their own bottom line. Yes the same people would complain about their tickets not being close enough, and yes the stadium experience is inferior to arenas imo, and yes we'd still probably see "PJ Premium" or "Official Platinum" pop up on TM, but at least way more of us are getting in the building! I just want to be in the building.

This is 100% the root cause, especially with 1 show in the northeast and almost half the shows being in CA. Not really surprising at all that MSG and Camden are really tough tickets outside of the Camden lawn. It's very disappointing that they didn't add more dates this year.

This is what I'm struggling with. We went from this tour being the spring leg of 2020 to this tour being split between spring and fall in 2022. Yes, they added a few shows but we had heard an entire second leg was planned two years ago. Essentially their touring plans are lessened this year.

Agree and disappointed there isn't more. We always hope that next year will be the "big" year but this is probably a big year at this point.

bbiggs · March 2022

Cropduster-80 said:

bbiggs said:

mattcoz said:

bbiggs said:

But to say they've done this unknowingly or to subsidize the cost of 10C tickets for the newly scheduled shows (which as was noted have been pushed back for the "PJ Premium" folks) is a stretch.

It's not a "stretch", they came right out and said that's what it was.
"In order to maintain low ticket prices and fan club accessibility, we will be releasing a limited number of premium tickets to the public at market rate price at a later date."

People and businesses say a lot of things. Market rate is not $5,000+. When those same seats have not sold as show time approaches and end up going for a fraction of the price (see recent EV tour), you call that an honest approach to selling at market value? If so, we'll agree to disagree.

Market rate is 5000 if people buy them at that price. The price fluctuating to meet whatever that market rate is pretty much is exactly what’s happening. Market rate isn’t fixed. It’s variable. Airline tickets are similar. One day the price is X the next day it doubles, then goes back down again sometimes. Demand and price changes based on a ton of factors

someone may be willing to pay 5k today to set their plans get flights etc. day before the show it’s someone local trying to find something to do on a Saturday night. They won’t pay 5k. A good algorithm should know when people who will spend more money will be shopping for tickets Vs someone who won’t.

I fully understand how markets operate, supply and demand, etc. If history repeats itself based on EV's tour one month ago, prices will come down. So while your statement is correct, my point is they could start a bit lower and not be egregious about it. They can subsidize costs in other ways than taking $5000+ from some sucker that is willing to pay it and then selling the seat directly next to that one for $1,000 or less as show time approaches. That's just a bad look to me. Listen, I believe in capitalism. They want to charge half of the house for Tier 1 pricing and the other half Tier 2, by all means, go get paid. There is a line where it becomes a bad look though, and $5,000+ for a non-charity seat is beyond that line.

Poncier · March 2022

ComeToTX said:

JimmyV said:

JBob87 said:

Discopij said:

The reality is, if PJ tours significantly every year we don't have this problem. Scarcity in the number of shows they've played in the last 15 years combined with the pent up covid demand is making this particular year bonkers. I wish they decided to do all stadiums (not baseball, but football) this year with the same number of shows in order to help ease the demand (even in the Northeast) and keep prices down without "sacrificing" their own bottom line. Yes the same people would complain about their tickets not being close enough, and yes the stadium experience is inferior to arenas imo, and yes we'd still probably see "PJ Premium" or "Official Platinum" pop up on TM, but at least way more of us are getting in the building! I just want to be in the building.

This is 100% the root cause, especially with 1 show in the northeast and almost half the shows being in CA. Not really surprising at all that MSG and Camden are really tough tickets outside of the Camden lawn. It's very disappointing that they didn't add more dates this year.

This is what I'm struggling with. We went from this tour being the spring leg of 2020 to this tour being split between spring and fall in 2022. Yes, they added a few shows but we had heard an entire second leg was planned two years ago. Essentially their touring plans are lessened this year.

Agree and disappointed there isn't more. We always hope that next year will be the "big" year but this is probably a big year at this point.

When you add in the Europe dates, this is a huge tour by recent PJ standards. Probably 3-4 years off to recuperate after this wraps.
See y'all in 2026!

“PJ Premium” on Ticketmaster?

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