“PJ Premium” on Ticketmaster?

PJNB · March 2022

pthomn said:

High Fidelity 2000 said:

dfishberg said:

Wow -- that was BS. $1K dollar per ticket. Holding back premium seats while my ten club tickets are in the back. No thanks. This is really disappointing if it is the new normal. I love PJ but anyone willing to pay 500-1K per ticket needs their heads examined.

I agree. This is so fucked up. It's embarrassing.

I'm embarrassed to say I got taken for over 1k for one ticket to the Earthlings tour for Beacon. if I waited they were on stub hub for 300 bucks. but TM and Eddie had to get theirs... It was a combo of pandemic, missing out on Fan club seats, not being verified tickets from TM and it was there. the impulse buy of maybe missing out. crazy how it works .

This is my biggest issue with these types of dynamically priced tickets aside from the price of course. It plays with fans emotions of getting shut out and the need to buy and secure right away. Sure we are all adults and make these decisions on our own but they do a countdown and live map with dwindling number of seats for a reason. We see the seats disappearing and do not want to miss out and make bad decisions under the gun.

Some people are ok getting secured seats for a premium price on the day of the sale. Great for them. I feel for those that are maxing their cards and paying for it months later financially.

Cropduster-80 · March 2022

mpedone said:

JimmyV said:

I don't know why it bothers me, but that they felt the need to brand it seems icky. It's not Platinum, it's PJ Premium!

IMHO, this was the biggest mistake they made. Should have just let Ticketmaster call them Platinum. TM is an easy target that takes this abuse every time they sell tickets. Why invite it on the band? Had they been labeled "Platinum" most of the people now calling PJ "greedy" would be accusing Ticketmaster of taking advantage of the band. Instead, it looks like this was PJ's decision.

Wouldn’t have mattered. The exact same threads came up when it was the EV tour and “platinum”

the only difference is with this tour is PJ specifically said they were doing this to keep fan club tickets prices down/to secure more fan club tickets. So yes it was their decision and most likely a compromise with TM for the fan club tickets. I bet they now wish they didn’t even try to do that.

People keep calling it capitalism. It’s not that. It’s a subsidy (handout) to the fan club if we’re being honest. kind of like a how a first class airline ticket subsidises the cost of a coach ticket. Be happy those people are in first class. If they weren’t your airfare would be higher.

GlowGirl · March 2022

BF25394 said:

High Fidelity 2000 said:

So from what I saw on the comments on PJ's Facebook "poster artist word find" post today (cute... not), people waited in the queue after being chosen for the privilege of joining the Verified Fan onsale today, to find tickets ranging from $400, $700, up to $2000 a pop before service fees which according to a Nashville screen shot was $89 FOR THE SERVICE FEE.

THIS IS BULLSHIT. If you don't see it as such, just have your future paychecks direct deposited to Eddie's account for the next calendar year. The band knows this was happening. If future tours are gonna cost me $800 AND UP for a pair, this is my last tour (thank you $130 fan club seats in 2020, what a bargain).

I'm not denying that anyone else had this experience but I noticed that, with the two shows I bought tickets for today, when I unchecked the PJ Premium box before viewing tickets, the only tickets that subsequently showed up were face value. I got face value tickets in the same section as the most senior Ten Club seats for both shows.

I got face value tickets in VF yesterday as well for Hamilton - great seats. There were premium seats listed but I also checked that box so they didn’t show up for me. I think in the rush to get tickets some people didn’t check the box and the premiums are often the first ones that come up.

mpedone · March 2022

Cropduster-80 said:

mpedone said:

JimmyV said:

I don't know why it bothers me, but that they felt the need to brand it seems icky. It's not Platinum, it's PJ Premium!

IMHO, this was the biggest mistake they made. Should have just let Ticketmaster call them Platinum. TM is an easy target that takes this abuse every time they sell tickets. Why invite it on the band? Had they been labeled "Platinum" most of the people now calling PJ "greedy" would be accusing Ticketmaster of taking advantage of the band. Instead, it looks like this was PJ's decision.

Wouldn’t have mattered. The exact same threads came up when it was the EV tour and “platinum”

literally no one who is ok with platinum would change their opinion once it’s called PJ premium, and the reverse is also true. If you hate Platinum you will also hate PJ premium

the only difference is with this tour is PJ specifically said they were doing this to keep fan club tickets prices down/to secure more fan club tickets. So yes it was their decision and most likely a compromise with TM for the fan club tickets. I bet they now wish they didn’t even try to do that.

People keep calling it capitalism. It’s not that. It’s a big fat subsidy IE handout to the fan club if we’re being honest. kind of like a how a first class airline ticket subsidises the cost of a coach ticket. Be happy those people are in first class. If they weren’t your airfare would be higher.

Yeah, I get that there would still be bitching, but the fact that they're called "PJ Premium" makes people blame the band more than the seller, I guess my point is that PJ approved this, but they're not monitoring the prices. It's not like someone in the band is saying, "Floor seats in Nashville? Yeah, $1600 each." I am sure TM has some sort of automated system controlling the prices of these tickets. Rebranding it as something the band is offering makes it sound like the band has some say in what's being charged.

I think your "subsidy" argument is a good one.

CantKeepmedown · March 2022

pthomn said:

High Fidelity 2000 said:

dfishberg said:

Wow -- that was BS. $1K dollar per ticket. Holding back premium seats while my ten club tickets are in the back. No thanks. This is really disappointing if it is the new normal. I love PJ but anyone willing to pay 500-1K per ticket needs their heads examined.

I agree. This is so fucked up. It's embarrassing.

I'm embarrassed to say I got taken for over 1k for one ticket to the Earthlings tour for Beacon. if I waited they were on stub hub for 300 bucks. but TM and Eddie had to get theirs... It was a combo of pandemic, missing out on Fan club seats, not being verified tickets from TM and it was there. the impulse buy of maybe missing out. crazy how it works .

Huh? In one breath you say you could have waited and got tix much cheaper, then blame Ed/TM for "having to get theirs". Then you listed all the reasons you bought the $1K ticket. People do understand that you don't HAVE to buy tickets, right?

patkelly12 · March 2022

mpedone said:

JimmyV said:

I don't know why it bothers me, but that they felt the need to brand it seems icky. It's not Platinum, it's PJ Premium!

IMHO, this was the biggest mistake they made. Should have just let Ticketmaster call them Platinum. TM is an easy target that takes this abuse every time they sell tickets. Why invite it on the band? Had they been labeled "Platinum" most of the people now calling PJ "greedy" would be accusing Ticketmaster of taking advantage of the band. Instead, it looks like this was PJ's decision.

PJ was involved in the decision but you are bothered that people may figure that out. "They should have been better at disguising their greed" is an interesting play call.

Cropduster-80 · March 2022

mpedone said:

Cropduster-80 said:

mpedone said:

JimmyV said:

I don't know why it bothers me, but that they felt the need to brand it seems icky. It's not Platinum, it's PJ Premium!

IMHO, this was the biggest mistake they made. Should have just let Ticketmaster call them Platinum. TM is an easy target that takes this abuse every time they sell tickets. Why invite it on the band? Had they been labeled "Platinum" most of the people now calling PJ "greedy" would be accusing Ticketmaster of taking advantage of the band. Instead, it looks like this was PJ's decision.

Wouldn’t have mattered. The exact same threads came up when it was the EV tour and “platinum”

literally no one who is ok with platinum would change their opinion once it’s called PJ premium, and the reverse is also true. If you hate Platinum you will also hate PJ premium

the only difference is with this tour is PJ specifically said they were doing this to keep fan club tickets prices down/to secure more fan club tickets. So yes it was their decision and most likely a compromise with TM for the fan club tickets. I bet they now wish they didn’t even try to do that.

People keep calling it capitalism. It’s not that. It’s a big fat subsidy IE handout to the fan club if we’re being honest. kind of like a how a first class airline ticket subsidises the cost of a coach ticket. Be happy those people are in first class. If they weren’t your airfare would be higher.

Yeah, I get that there would still be bitching, but the fact that they're called "PJ Premium" makes people blame the band more than the seller, I guess my point is that PJ approved this, but they're not monitoring the prices. It's not like someone in the band is saying, "Floor seats in Nashville? Yeah, $1600 each." I am sure TM has some sort of automated system controlling the prices of these tickets. Rebranding it as something the band is offering makes it sound like the band has some say in what's being charged.

I think your "subsidy" argument is a good one.

TBH I think all the complaints are valid as long as people look at the entire picture. Picking and choosing one aspect of a larger decision makes it look like something it’s not.

Yes they are selling tickets at obscene prices, yes they took care of the fan club also. It’s all connected not two separate things

mpedone · March 2022

Cropduster-80 said:

mpedone said:

Cropduster-80 said:

mpedone said:

JimmyV said:

I don't know why it bothers me, but that they felt the need to brand it seems icky. It's not Platinum, it's PJ Premium!

IMHO, this was the biggest mistake they made. Should have just let Ticketmaster call them Platinum. TM is an easy target that takes this abuse every time they sell tickets. Why invite it on the band? Had they been labeled "Platinum" most of the people now calling PJ "greedy" would be accusing Ticketmaster of taking advantage of the band. Instead, it looks like this was PJ's decision.

Wouldn’t have mattered. The exact same threads came up when it was the EV tour and “platinum”

literally no one who is ok with platinum would change their opinion once it’s called PJ premium, and the reverse is also true. If you hate Platinum you will also hate PJ premium

the only difference is with this tour is PJ specifically said they were doing this to keep fan club tickets prices down/to secure more fan club tickets. So yes it was their decision and most likely a compromise with TM for the fan club tickets. I bet they now wish they didn’t even try to do that.

People keep calling it capitalism. It’s not that. It’s a big fat subsidy IE handout to the fan club if we’re being honest. kind of like a how a first class airline ticket subsidises the cost of a coach ticket. Be happy those people are in first class. If they weren’t your airfare would be higher.

Yeah, I get that there would still be bitching, but the fact that they're called "PJ Premium" makes people blame the band more than the seller, I guess my point is that PJ approved this, but they're not monitoring the prices. It's not like someone in the band is saying, "Floor seats in Nashville? Yeah, $1600 each." I am sure TM has some sort of automated system controlling the prices of these tickets. Rebranding it as something the band is offering makes it sound like the band has some say in what's being charged.

I think your "subsidy" argument is a good one.

TBH I think all the complaints are valid as long as people look at the entire picture. Picking and choosing one aspect of a larger decision makes it look like something it’s not.

Yes they are selling tickets at obscene prices, yes they took care of the fan club also. It’s all connected not two separate things

I think my bigger frustration is reading posts from people who are going onto Ticketmaster today and claiming that all of the seats were $400+ dollars. They see "PJ Premium" and think the whole show was priced like this, when that's not true at all. In fact, the only reason those seats are still available is because of the price. If they were face value, they'd be gone.

nicknyr15 · March 2022

The shittiest argument is : “it’s a concert you don’t have to go”

washed in black · March 2022

pthomn said:

High Fidelity 2000 said:

dfishberg said:

Wow -- that was BS. $1K dollar per ticket. Holding back premium seats while my ten club tickets are in the back. No thanks. This is really disappointing if it is the new normal. I love PJ but anyone willing to pay 500-1K per ticket needs their heads examined.

I agree. This is so fucked up. It's embarrassing.

I'm embarrassed to say I got taken for over 1k for one ticket to the Earthlings tour for Beacon. if I waited they were on stub hub for 300 bucks. but TM and Eddie had to get theirs... It was a combo of pandemic, missing out on Fan club seats, not being verified tickets from TM and it was there. the impulse buy of maybe missing out. crazy how it works .

I originally passed on EV tix because I thought they were ridiculously overpriced and really was not impressed by the songs I had heard (Long Way & The Haves) As the show got closer, I started suffering from FOMO, and began watching tickets and prices. They kept coming down, and finally I pulled the trigger on a pair of lowers that ended up being priced at what I would have paid through 10c. A PJ friend who has a 10c number very close to mine (within 250 or so) ended up sitting directly in front of us that night. Seats in the same row as us were priced at $400 more than I paid. This dynamic pricing is garbage.

washed in black · March 2022

PJNB said:

pthomn said:

High Fidelity 2000 said:

dfishberg said:

Wow -- that was BS. $1K dollar per ticket. Holding back premium seats while my ten club tickets are in the back. No thanks. This is really disappointing if it is the new normal. I love PJ but anyone willing to pay 500-1K per ticket needs their heads examined.

I agree. This is so fucked up. It's embarrassing.

I'm embarrassed to say I got taken for over 1k for one ticket to the Earthlings tour for Beacon. if I waited they were on stub hub for 300 bucks. but TM and Eddie had to get theirs... It was a combo of pandemic, missing out on Fan club seats, not being verified tickets from TM and it was there. the impulse buy of maybe missing out. crazy how it works .

This is my biggest issue with these types of dynamically priced tickets aside from the price of course. It plays with fans emotions of getting shut out and the need to buy and secure right away. Sure we are all adults and make these decisions on our own but they do a countdown and live map with dwindling number of seats for a reason. We see the seats disappearing and do not want to miss out and make bad decisions under the gun.

Some people are ok getting secured seats for a premium price on the day of the sale. Great for them. I feel for those that are maxing their cards and paying for it months later financially.

I remember being horrified when a few months before Covid lockdown, Green Day announced their big stadium tour. I think it was three bands, can't recall who they were, but I was curious to see what they were charging for tix, so I looked. It was some ridiculous amount of course, and the fees were astronomical, but what made me sick to my stomach, was this was the first time it offered the option to pay for the tix in 12 monthly installments. If you are still paying for tix months after the event happened, perhaps they are priced too high.

pthomn · March 2022

CantKeepmedown said:

pthomn said:

High Fidelity 2000 said:

dfishberg said:

Wow -- that was BS. $1K dollar per ticket. Holding back premium seats while my ten club tickets are in the back. No thanks. This is really disappointing if it is the new normal. I love PJ but anyone willing to pay 500-1K per ticket needs their heads examined.

I agree. This is so fucked up. It's embarrassing.

I'm embarrassed to say I got taken for over 1k for one ticket to the Earthlings tour for Beacon. if I waited they were on stub hub for 300 bucks. but TM and Eddie had to get theirs... It was a combo of pandemic, missing out on Fan club seats, not being verified tickets from TM and it was there. the impulse buy of maybe missing out. crazy how it works .

Huh? In one breath you say you could have waited and got tix much cheaper, then blame Ed/TM for "having to get theirs". Then you listed all the reasons you bought the $1K ticket. People do understand that you don't HAVE to buy tickets, right?

man, I wish I could have seen the future and knew tickets were going to be cheaper as the date got near. I guess the same will happen for MSG!!

Poncier · March 2022

jiammm14 said:

JP218404 said:o

jiammm14 said:

JBob87 said:

JimmyV said:

JBob87 said:

Man if this is the new normal for 10c, pretty disappointing...long long time members in the last row of seats, most 10c members in the back of the 200s...and tickets in the 100s for almost a grand.

I know it's TM and not the band but this is really demoralizing.

Doesn't happen without the band's approval, and TM certainly couldn't call them PJ Premium if PJ wasn't willing and onboard.

No doubt...not absolving the band of all blame here, but just pointing out that there is almost no way around this for TM/Livenation venues these days. Every show I have gone to has had this in place. Really sucks that it has invaded PJ now too. And it's the cherry on top that it is coming at the expense of 10c.

The pain of evolution baby. Corporate greed, pointing fingers…the little guys pay. Concerts were never priced for exclusive elite, but that’s how it is now. Most definitely signed sealed and delivered by all.

Two places to really blame for the state of ticket pricing: Broadway and the NBA.

All sports and concerts followed what Broadway has done with pricing. It’s an evening out that people may do once or twice a year so willing to pay for it

the NBA started the variable pricing based on opponents. Then the NFL followed with that as well as higher pricing

music industry/ agents/ promoters/ bands followed the trend.

Well in that case, then by all means , charge $950 for a ticket. following what others did it’s very easy for the bands we love to say, “it isn’t me.”
But it’s not theater, nor sports. It’s supposed to be rock and roll, no?!?!?! They sold out , but it’s ok, everyone else is doing it too…

I've posted this in relation to EV and the Earthlings, but it bears repeating now.
Not everyone is doing this.
Look at Garth Brooks' tour this year. Every ticket is $84 and change with a $7 and change service fee.
EVERY TICKET
No platinum, no "Brooks Premium" (which would mean platinum), no added $20 for the first 4 seats off the aisle, no VIP packages for big bucks that include a T-shirt and a tote bag. None of it.
Pearl Jam could have also done this, but they chose to charge a percentage (and not a particularly small one) of fans extremely high prices under the guise of keeping prices low for others. The real reason is to maximize profit. They should just admit that.

mpedone · March 2022

nicknyr15 said:

The shittiest argument is : “it’s a concert you don’t have to go”

I get wanting to be at every show possible, but there comes a point where you have to ask yourself what it is worth to you. Personally, I'd probably have been willing to pay more than face to get to these shows, but really only up to about 2x. And, if I did that, I would probably lower the number of shows I would go to. Is $650/ticket too much for you? Then don't buy it. If that's the market value, it will sell, and you'll miss out. If it's not, the price will come down over time (and then it will sell).

I know this sounds cold, but I don't mean it to. I really do sympathize with everyone shut out of these shows, and I get that it's frustrating to see tickets priced so high, but keep in mind, it's a handful of tickets that, had they been priced at face value, would probably be gone already, and in places like New York, many of them would be on StubHub for the same prices we're seeing on TM.

JR66864 · March 2022

What exactly is going on today (March 30th) Yesterday the verified fan sale started. Today, it is PJ Premium and a password is needed. Where would this password come from?

mpedone · March 2022

JR66864 said:

What exactly is going on today (March 30th) Yesterday the verified fan sale started. Today, it is PJ Premium and a password is needed. Where would this password come from?

It's the same password as Verified Fan.

100 Pacer · March 2022

Cropduster-80 said:

mpedone said:

JimmyV said:

I don't know why it bothers me, but that they felt the need to brand it seems icky. It's not Platinum, it's PJ Premium!

IMHO, this was the biggest mistake they made. Should have just let Ticketmaster call them Platinum. TM is an easy target that takes this abuse every time they sell tickets. Why invite it on the band? Had they been labeled "Platinum" most of the people now calling PJ "greedy" would be accusing Ticketmaster of taking advantage of the band. Instead, it looks like this was PJ's decision.

Wouldn’t have mattered. The exact same threads came up when it was the EV tour and “platinum”

the only difference is with this tour is PJ specifically said they were doing this to keep fan club tickets prices down/to secure more fan club tickets. So yes it was their decision and most likely a compromise with TM for the fan club tickets. I bet they now wish they didn’t even try to do that.

People keep calling it capitalism. It’s not that. It’s a subsidy (handout) to the fan club if we’re being honest. kind of like a how a first class airline ticket subsidises the cost of a coach ticket. Be happy those people are in first class. If they weren’t your airfare would be higher.

I feel this is the best reply thus far.

JR66864 · March 2022

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JimmyV · March 2022

JR66864 said:

What exactly is going on today (March 30th)

I wish I knew.

JBob87 · March 2022

mpedone said:

JR66864 said:

What exactly is going on today (March 30th) Yesterday the verified fan sale started. Today, it is PJ Premium and a password is needed. Where would this password come from?

It's the same password as Verified Fan.

So basically even though this claimed to be a public onsale, a password is still required? Weird.

“PJ Premium” on Ticketmaster?

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